03-01-2019 05:18 AM
As an IT professional myself, I am hoping that this will eventually reach to the eBay IT Department and/or the people in charge of User Experience at eBay.
First, a bit of background on myself as an eBay user. I am in my late 20's and buy and sell very infrequently on eBay for the most part. I mainly use to buy when I see a good deal posted on slickdeals for eBay, and then I use it to sell once in a blue moon when I need a little extra money and have something that I'm willing to get rid of. Over the probably decade that I've been on eBay, I only have a feedback score of 48, so obviously I haven't done nearly as much as a lot of users out there, but that is actually exactly why I feel the need to write this post.
So, most recently, I had an offer in my Inbox to list and sell within a certain time range, and then I would receive a $20 eBay coupon for my trouble. That, and I also wanted a little extra money to help me buy a really nice birthday present for my wife! So, I decided to list my translucent teal N64 with three controllers, 9 games, and a couple other accessories that had been lying around unused for several years. I put the item up for auction with a "Buy It Now" option for one week. In that time, several people viewed and watched it, but nobody bid. Then, on the last evening within the last couple of minutes, I had three bidders. I was quite happy! The winning bidder placed their singular bid within the last 5 seconds of the auction, so I assumed my money would be coming to me quickly and I would get my coupon soon too.
Unfortunately, they did not pay that evening, even though they were obviously online and could have stayed another 5 minutes to find out that they were the winning bidder, view the automatic invoice, and submit instant payment through PayPal. That was fine, though. The next morning, I reached out to them via eBay Message to let them know that if they got me payment by 3:00, I would be able to get their item to the post office to ship out that same day. They never messaged back, and I never received payment. The next day, I sent another message, this time with the "Send Invoice" option and told them to just let me know if they had any questions or were having problems getting the money together. I still heard nothing. The next day, slightly under 72 hours after the auction had closed, I began to get frustrated that I had not heard from them and was also worrying about getting my coupon as well as the gift for my wife. This was the first time in my decade of infrequent buying and selling that somebody actually didn't pay within the first 24 hours (and perhaps even first hour) of winning an item. So, admittedly, I was not sure exactly what to do next. I saw the "Second Chance Offer" option from my My eBay dashboard, and decided to explore that option. Since I had other bidders, the morning of the third day not hearing from the winning bidder, I reached out to him to let him know that if I did not hear from him by 3:00, I would offer the item to the second-highest bidder. 3:00 came and went, so I went through with my Second Chance Offer. Here is where the problems really started with my eBay user experience.
So, as someone that has used eBay before but is new to trying the "Second Chance Offer", here is how I expected it to work:
1. I click the "Second Chance Offer" link for the auction listing.
2. The options of bidders come up, I select one.
3. The contract of the listing purchasing rights shifts automatically from the original winner to the newly-selected bidder.
4. The "Second Chance Offer" bidder alone has the option to submit payment and purchase the item or not.
5. If they opt not to buy it, either the listing expires or a subsequent "Third Chance" person can be selected.
Again, that's how I EXPECTED it to work. Well, I sent one last message to the original winner letting them know that I was in fact offering the item to the second-highest bidder, and I apologized and wished them luck in finding a new listing with the item from someone else if they were indeed still interested. I then went through the "Second Chance Offer" assuming the above. Later that night, I received a payment confirmation email and thought everything was hunky dory.
The next morning, much to my dismay, I received an additional payment confirmation email on my way into work. I was planning to just confirm everything and ship out the item on my lunch break, but instead I immediately called eBay support to help me work through the problem. They briefly explained to me that the original transaction had not actually been cancelled and that my only option at this point was to cancel and refund one of the two transactions. I ended up opting to cancel the original winning bidder since he had rudely ignored my four messages to him up to that point and paid for the item even though I had verbally ended our buying contract. I then fulfilled the second-highest bidder. The eBay support lady took notes and said that I would be able to appeal any negative feedback that the cancelled buyer gave and get it revoked.
Well, she was wrong. The original winner FINALLY messaged me, and boy did he. He sent me three very rude messages and cursed at me. Seriously dude? I tried to contact you for three days after you didn't pay for the item even though you were online literally five seconds before you won the auction? I don't think so. Well, I called eBay support back to get the negative feedback removed that was accompanied by his rude messages that completely ignored his own ignorance and mistakes in this process, and instead they reviewed everything for 10-15 minutes and then came back and said that no, they could not remove the negative feedback. I sent the would-be buyer one more message and submitted a feedback change request to him, but he has ignored it thus far and can only assume it will rot. I replied to his negative comment directly in my feedback page, but it still just frustrates me that it's there in the first place.
Also, back to the coupon that I was hoping to get. It turns out that since I cancelled the original transaction with the original bidder that the subsequent "Second Chance Offer" itself counted as a COMPLETELY NEW LISTING! Are you serious?! That absolutely baffles me as a front-end user of the system. It obviously was the same item and was based on an amount of money offered on the original listing, so why does it not count itself as part of the same listing? Because it was counted as a completely separate listing, the listing start date was outside of the parameters of the coupon's terms and conditions, so I did not get my coupon either!!! There is NO reason for the "Second Chance Offer" not to count except for the eBay developers' design decisions on how to organize the data on the back end to track the time frame for the second offer's expiration from the first listing's duration. But again, I feel the coupon should be able to see and honor the first listing's active dates and base it on that as well as the Second Chance Offer's sell date. I called eBay support a THIRD time to request that this feedback be passed along to the eBay IT Department, but they just said there was no way for them to do so and pointed me to this Community. So, that is why I am posting it here.
Lastly, I want to review the official process for filing an official "Unpaid Item Ticket" and give some feedback on it as well. Here is how it goes as it stands:
1. After 48 hours from an auction ending and no payment being received, an "Unpaid Item Ticket" can be opened.
2. After the "Unpaid Item Ticket" has been open for four days, the item can be officially cancelled and the lack of payment goes on the buyer's record. The Seller then has the option to submit a "Second Chance Offer".
Here are my main problems with this:
1. As I described above, the "Second Chance Offer" counts as a COMPLETELY separate listing, which automatically disqualifies you from special time-sensitive Seller promotions and coupon offers.
2. Even if it didn't count as a separate listing, by the time you wait an entire WEEK, you may very well be outside of the Seller promotion's time frame for final payment to be made to complete the sale, even if the original listing ended within the listing time frame.
3. Perhaps most importantly, when you have to wait an entire WEEK to make a "Second Chance Offer", there is a very high chance that the second-highest bidder has already sought out another eBay listing of the same item and is no longer interested!
So, in general, I feel like eBay's policies for unpaid item cases are stuck in the 90's. In today's day and age, when the vast majority of people have smart phones that are capable of having dedicated apps such as the eBay app with push notifications and people are used to things happening instantly, there is absolutely no reason to have such long, drawn-out time frames for people to pay. A person has no excuse not to check one of their most likely several web-enabled devices and promptly respond to a notification that the listing they committed to buying has ended and provide payment in a much more timely fashion. Honestly, I think even 24 hours is probably too much to give someone to make a payment. Especially, it seems like the "Second Chance Offer" feature is completely useless when put at the end of a week-long waiting period of red tape.
I really hope somebody officially from eBay sees this and passes it along to the User Experience Team or IT/Development Team. If anyone else reads this and has had a similar experience and/or similarly finds this process incredibly un-intuitive and antiquated, please post and let me know! I really appreciate any feedback or assistance anyone is willing to provide!
03-28-2019 12:39 PM
Well, nobody has responded to this all month and I have no indication eBay has received my frustrations. Is that it? Did I waste several hours on the phone with eBay support sorting through this issue and then trying to give them my feedback on this entire process, only to have them fail me around every turn including pointing me here to voice my grievances because they had no way to directly collect my concerns and send them to the appropriate department, only to have me end up posting here and get completely ignored again? I can't be the only person out there that has had an experience like this, and there has to be some way to get some change in the policies and procedures so they are more in line with the way the world works today! Please, can somebody help me?
03-28-2019 01:54 PM
03-28-2019 04:15 PM
Some have the same objections you do......and it's been discussed many times.
But ultimately the answer is that fixed priced will work better if you have items that run into buyers who don't pay (and many usually are in the electronics categories).
With f/p you can set immediate payment rules.......so that until a buyer actually pays, the item remains listed. No waiting, no hoops to jump thru, etc. A buyer can request a cancellation, but those are few compared to non payers on auctions.
just a suggestion for you........
03-28-2019 06:03 PM
Perhaps exercise some patents with future buyers. Set your site preferences to when you want the unpaid item assistant to turn on. Then 24 hours after the auction send the invoice and wait to get paid or let the assistant kick in. If it is a auction make sure you clearly state how long the buyer will have to pay. Keep in mind the buyer may be bidding on multiple auctions and waiting to pay and take care of them all at the same time. Also the buyer may be waiting for their next paycheck to clear. Before the unpaid item assistant turns on reach out to them but do not be pushy and ask if they may need a little more time to pay. IT could end up taking less time then running a new auction. For most auctions the buyer will have about a week and a half or more depending on the settings you chose to pay. There is no need to pester them daily asking for payment and you did not need to start making the second change offer right then. That is mainly for when you have multiples of the same item. Canceling the 1st sell will get you a higher defect rate as that buyer paid and it looks bad like you were being vindictive for not responding to you and paying right away. Auctions are not buy now items and do not require instant payment. You would think someone with a IT back ground would be better at communicating with customers as they are similar to end users in a support. If making the 2nd chance offer in the future you may need to cancel the 1st sell so you do not run into this issue. Right now you should be shipping the item to the 1st buyer and contacting them to resolve the issue through open communication. If you can show them you made a mistake and that the two of you got off on the wrong foot they may be willing to remove the feedback.
03-28-2019 06:14 PM
Hey its been a day I want my money by 3pm
03-28-2019 06:15 PM
Hey its been another day I really want my money by 3 pm.
03-28-2019 06:15 PM
Hey its been 3 days I want my money by 3 pm or else I will cancel the sale and find another buyer hurry up and pay.
03-28-2019 06:16 PM
Well you paid but not fast enough for my liking so I am still going to cancel the sale and sell this to someone else.
03-28-2019 06:17 PM
Is your name Tolstoy?
03-28-2019 06:18 PM
Hey I was pushy and cancelled the sale remove your bad feed back or I will file a unpaid item claim even though I tried to sell this to someone else.
03-28-2019 06:20 PM
Look at it this way that is how your buyer saw the whole experience dealing with you. If a seller treated you like that would you not be upset. Learn from your mistakes and work on communicating with your buyers better. And going forward in almost all situations ebay will side with a buyer as they are spending the money. If buyers have bad experiences they go elsewhere.
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