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Changing Shipping rates

I've gotten my second complaint about this issue in the last month.  Concerns me how many may be seeing this and just abandoning the sale instead of contacting me.

 

Customer puts two items in the cart that ship in 12x12x10 boxes, 4 or 5 lbs each.  In their cart the estimated shipping is about $35.  When they click the pay this seller the shipping jumps to over $50.  Buyer is not pleased.  First time the buyer asked to cancel if the final shipping was that high (the original $35 was correct).  This time the buyer backed out of the payment screen and requested an invoice. The INVOICE shows the higher incorrect shipping amount!!!.

 

Why is the shipping amount changing from what is shown in the cart?

 

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So I did a little experiment.  The two items were a 12x10x8 box and 12x12x10 box, 5 and 4 lbs respectively.  I clicked the shipping calculator button on the invoice next to the !!!!! $51 !!!! shipping cost.  The invoice show $51 for SmartPost, $60 for Ground and  $48 for Priority.   

 

I put in 24 x 10 x 8 and 9 lbs, just doubled the box length and added the weights together.  Here are the calculated results.  NOTICE THE RATE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE $35 THE BUYER WAS ORIGINALLY SHOWN!!!!!   

 

This is most definitely a system issue and I suspect I've lost sales over it.   

 


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The issue could be related to this issue, which I've been harassing eBay about for way too long; note the outrageous amount quoted for Priority versus First Class Package:

 

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It turns out that eBay doesn't actually truly-combine the items into one shipment; eBay postage-wise combines by summing the postage for each individual package, and then presents the buyer with that sum. The sort-of-exception is for First Class Package, for which eBay creates as many up-to-16-ounce virtual packages as necessary, sums the postage for each of those virtual packages, and then presents the buyer with that sum.

 

In the example I presented above, eBay created three virtual First Class packages (two 16oz and one couple-of-ounce) and summed the postage of each, and presented the buyer with $11.77 for FCP. Then for Priority, eBay simply summed the PM postage for 8 individual packages, and presented the buyer with $71.03 for PM.

 

eBay-in-general doesn't understand that/why this could possibly be an issue for anyone. I have managed to help a couple of eBay higher-up reps to see the light, but according to them whether or not they'd be able to similarly help the chain of command see the light was unknown... So, whether or not this will ever be fixed is unknown, especially because it's an issue very few sellers and buyers actually report, escalate, and make a huge fuss to eBay over. Buyers likely just shop somewhere else, sellers pocket the extra cash if buyers don't, and most other folks don't give a hoot... Especially the eBay folks here, who have yet to chime in on this...

 

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Hi @dtexley3 - will you please get me the item numbers from this example so I can look into it further?

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183589162457

183598708108

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To further confuse the issue, here's a similar purchase just made that the buyer got the correct rate for the combined size/weight of the two items.  I'll be refunding a small amount as the actual combined shipping will be less because it doesn't take two 12x12x10 boxes to ship these items, they will ship in one 14x12x10 box with the same amount of packing around the outside of the two items.

 

183639305122 

183639305140

 

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I must be missing something here (still not enough coffee at 4pm), but on this one it sounds like you are expecting the calculator to compute combined dimensional weights? It can't do that.

It either adds the weights and uses the greater of the added weights or the dim weight of the biggest one, or it charges for them separately - depending on your combined calculated shipping rules.

Did I miss something?

I added the two remaining of the 4 items you listed above to my cart and went to checkout - everything looks right - the items do not combine and ship separately with the shipping total being the sum of the two individual amounts in the cart and checkout.

That tells me you have "no discount" combined calculated shipping rule (because the new eBay default rule is to combine weights if combined payments is enabled with no combined shipping rule in force on the listing (and as I said above, uses the total weight or the largest dim weight)
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@berserkerplanet wrote:
I must be missing something here (still not enough coffee at 4pm), but on this one it sounds like you are expecting the calculator to compute combined dimensional weights? It can't do that.

It either adds the weights and uses the greater of the added weights or the dim weight of the biggest one, or it charges for them separately - depending on your combined calculated shipping rules.

Did I miss something?

I added the two remaining of the 4 items you listed above to my cart and went to checkout - everything looks right - the items do not combine and ship separately with the shipping total being the sum of the two individual amounts in the cart and checkout.

That tells me you have "no discount" combined calculated shipping rule (because the new eBay default rule is to combine weights if combined payments is enabled with no combined shipping rule in force on the listing (and as I said above, uses the total weight or the largest dim weight)

The issue was that for 2 people it showed excessively high shipping when they pressed "pay now".  The screenshots above are me clicking on the shipping calculator from the invoice showing the seriously overstated shipping.  It doesn't happen every time, but it shouldn't happen at all.

 

Both buyers stated they saw rates very close to the screen shots above in the cart, but were shown different rates when they hit "Pay Now"

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I know. I was specifically responding to your last post (post #8) and the two items you combined where you will partially refunding the buyer.

You seem have a half dozen different things going on in this thread and it's hard to address any single issue as a result. If you want to break all this down and try to figure out what may be going on, I'm game. If not say so and I'll step back and watch. grin


Let's go back to your experiment in post #2.

Is it remotely possible that buyer selected a different address at checkout that caused a higher shipping amount?

>>In their cart the estimated shipping is about $35
For what service and what exact $ amount?

>>The INVOICE shows the higher incorrect shipping amount!!!.
For what service and exact $ amount?

>>I put in 24 x 10 x 8 and 9 lbs, just doubled the box length and added the weights together. Here are the calculated results.
>>NOTICE THE RATE IS VERY CLOSE TO THE $35 THE BUYER WAS ORIGINALLY SHOWN!!!!!

The Parcel Select amount of $36.74 in that screenshot is the closest thing to the $35 that visible.

The 24x10x8 you fudged in there it completely irrelevant for Parcel Select - it doesn't care about dimensions in that range at all, and can be ignored for now. So that PS amount is entirely based on weight and zone.

$33.74 is the amount for 9 lb to zone 8 - that plus your $3 handling charge makes the $36.74 in your screenshot and is 100% correct for PS. The 2 pkg weights were added together, which is the default without a combined calculated shipping rule.

Need the answers to the 2 questions above to suss out where the "about $35" number the buyer saw, and the $51 on the invoice are coming from.
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