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Collecting Final Value Fees on Shipping

Collecting Final Value Fees on Shipping

Wow! I can't believe Ebay would collect fees on shipping. I have always been careful not to overcharge, because, I hate it when someone gouges me on shipping. This is an unfair fee to the majority of sellers who try to be ethical in their dealings with buyers. Guess I will have to find someplace else to sell my little treasures.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 11:29:49 AM

Watch out for the eBay shipping calculator it does not include the 19 cent confirmation fee charged by PayPal. There's another thing to eat.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 12:13:02 PM

Started selling again after a short brake. OMG I made nothing on a few items and the calculations for shipping were all messed up. It seems as if I was haggling shipping costs all the time. I want to post accurately, sell and ship ASAP at the price I am quoted by USPS. E-Bay has lost the charm. How sad. Now the buyer gets more arrogant and the seller is supposed to cave in and go broke???? I will finish the auctions I have and bid thee farewell. Garage sale signs will be posted!!
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 12:37:50 PM

Watch out for the eBay shipping calculator it does not include the 19 cent confirmation fee charged by PayPal. There's another thing to eat.


It does if you're using Priority Mail....because Delivery Confirmation is free with PM.

I only use the calucaltor when I'm using PM, because it's the only one (of the services that I've used so far....PM, First Class, and Media Mail) that varies with the buyer's location.

If I'm using FC, I use the flat rate option (because it's the same for everyone no matter their location), weigh the package, use my printout on FC rates that I got from the USPS site to get the postage figure, then add the 19 cents for DC and whatever my packing materials cost, and put the number in.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 12:46:53 PM

What is Ebays problem???GREED< GREED< GREED. I am only selling a small amount of things on ebay from now on. Since I sell mostly vintage I am moving to Etsy. It's a shame after all these years and how I have bragged on Ebay they just steal from us like this. We dont make money on shipping so why should they? I am seriously ticked off and I always took it in stride before but sales are down and they take more of my money.......Screw them. Im cutting way back on selling and buying on ebay. I'll give my money to those that aren't so greedy.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 12:48:29 PM

This is all true, ebay has to much greed. Ebay takes to much and this hurts people who are just trying to make a few extra dollars, and for ebay to take a cut from the total including shipping, and thier cut to list the item, and their cut to get from paypal is a crime, and everyone who is trying to make a few extra dollars on ebay should just stop. And Emma the talking computer for ebay is a joke.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 12:54:51 PM

This is true ebay is taking to much from sellers, from listing to final sales to paypal, and they also try to make everyone get a paypal account this is only because they own paypal, I am not going to sell any longer on ebay, greed is the right word, they have become just like Washington getting into everyone's life and thinking they now what is best for people, they don't, ebay is just another company, just like all big compaines, greed. I look forward to the day ebay folds up.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 2:28:53 PM

I put up a post about this very thing! Do the quicker math, you say?! Do you honestly think that eBay is going to make changes that don't benefit them in some way?? 50 free listings... BIG DEAL! 35 cents times 50 = $17.50.
Sell ONE item at $50. Add shipping (which in this case the item is HEAVY - example).. say, $20 on shipping. Now you are getting charged, what... 9%? 9 x $70 = $6.30. Then add the Paypal fees... a few more bucks. SO, now you are up to nearly $10 worth of fees for ONE ITEM!!!

I'm doing the quicker math here - You may want to rethink that!

THEN, what about International shipping?? There is no way possible to have free shipping for international, unless you are independently wealthy! Which I am not! Even a first class item (4 pounds or under) is still going to cost you around $10, depending on what country.. How is that fair that I have to pay a FVF on shipping for an out of the country shipping charge?

Now, I lose all my International buyers because I refuse to sell over there and have to pay, yet another fee! I am one of the honest sellers out there that charges ACTUAL shipping!

And forget selling anymore heavy items. That will cost me through the nose! I'm so disgusted with eBay and all their dam fees and updates!

Just keep in mind that anytime you see an update coming, you know for a FACT that eBay will be benefiting - NOT YOU!
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 2:30:01 PM

What is Ebays problem???GREED< GREED< GREED. I am only selling a small amount of things on ebay from now on. Since I sell mostly vintage I am moving to Etsy. It's a shame after all these years and how I have bragged on Ebay they just steal from us like this. We dont make money on shipping so why should they? I am seriously ticked off and I always took it in stride before but sales are down and they take more of my money.......Screw them. Im cutting way back on selling and buying on ebay. I'll give my money to those that aren't so greedy.



What is Etsy??
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 2:37:15 PM

TRY BONANZLE -
Here is a breakdown:

The Cost of Doing Business on Bonanzle
Bonanzle offers free listings to sellers, and for now, while in its unofficial beta stage, you also won't pay any fees when you sell. Harding told Ecommerce-Guide.com that at a later date, final fees will be added to the Web site. Sellers can expect a sliding final sale fee system as follows: no charge for items that sell for under $10, items under $50 will incur a $1 fee, a $100 sale will have a $3 fee, and so on, up to a $10 fee for items selling over $1,000. Harding also said that listing on Bonanzle will always be free.

Seems to me that this site is WAY CHEAPER than eBay! Maybe there, they will treat their sellers with some respect!
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 2:37:53 PM

I put up a post about this very thing! Do the quicker math, you say?! Do you honestly think that eBay is going to make changes that don't benefit them in some way?? 50 free listings... BIG DEAL! 35 cents times 50 = $17.50.
Sell ONE item at $50. Add shipping (which in this case the item is HEAVY - example).. say, $20 on shipping. Now you are getting charged, what... 9%? 9 x $70 = $6.30. Then add the Paypal fees... a few more bucks. SO, now you are up to nearly $10 worth of fees for ONE ITEM!!!

I guess it was 13%, not 9% - NOW do the math! WOW
I'm doing the quicker math here - You may want to rethink that!

THEN, what about International shipping?? There is no way possible to have free shipping for international, unless you are independently wealthy! Which I am not! Even a first class item (4 pounds or under) is still going to cost you around $10, depending on what country.. How is that fair that I have to pay a FVF on shipping for an out of the country shipping charge?

Now, I lose all my International buyers because I refuse to sell over there and have to pay, yet another fee! I am one of the honest sellers out there that charges ACTUAL shipping!

And forget selling anymore heavy items. That will cost me through the nose! I'm so disgusted with eBay and all their dam fees and updates!

Just keep in mind that anytime you see an update coming, you know for a FACT that eBay will be benefiting - NOT YOU!
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 2:46:07 PM

Eaby is a rip off.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 3:21:00 PM

Sorry to say that the folks blaming other sellers for this increase in fees (under the fake "We're reducing your final value fee" headline) don't understand corporate speak. Corporate speak with the art of saying something horrible in a way that makes it sound like it's wonderful..."We'll be reducing our dependence on funding our overhead by increasing your present ability to permanently defer your salary and benefits until such time as you are gainfully re-employed by other joyful employer"...which means you're fired!

Ebay's laughable corporate-speak message about increasing our fees by charging fees on shipping is classic; a real gem heading for the corporate-speak hall of fame. It will reside right next to their other classic "We're going to help the buyers by promoting free shipping", which was their first attempt to grab a percentage of the shipping costs.

This has nothing to do with "greedy sellers", that's just their cover for their own greed. Sounds like the old schoolyard trick of calling someone else a name that pertains to you, before anyone calls you that name. By blaming it on greedy sellers, they deflect attention from their own greed of charging us more for shipping, which will only increase the shipping costs they claim to be trying to keep down. This double-speak is the normal in corporate life, so for all you naive folks who don't get it, I'll explain it real simple:

Ebay is a public company. They must make more money this quarter than they made last quarter or they will die (meaning everyone will sell their stock. This isn't really true, but they believe it to be true, so that's all that counts). Their bonuses are based on it and, in fact, their job depends on it. So everytime they make an annoucement having anything to do with fees, you can bet the fees are going up for the sellers! They have to!!!! Ebay has already pissed off enough sellers and buyers that there really aren't any new people out there for ebay to trick into opening a store on ebay or buying something. Everyone already has tried it and most have already left ebay due to their constantly increasing greed (fees keep going up, so prices keep going up...there are almost no bargins left on ebay and the selection has incredibly deminished). So if you can't get new buyers and sellers, you have to charge the existing ones more in order to increase your revenues enough to make Wall St happy and to get their bonuses/stock options. It will never get better, it can only get worse. They will always have to charge more and more to sell something on ebay and they can raise the fees again anytime they want (and they certain take advantage of that fact). So if you thought you were going to make money on ebay, wake up. The only one making any real money is ebay, while we do all the work, take all the risk and make almost nothing.

I guess I'll just have to keep pulling my items from ebay and putting them on Craigslist. Of over 300 items I used to carry in my ebay store, I can only now sell about 10 items cause I'll lose money on all the rest due to their insane 700% increase in monthly fees for a stores that they implimented the last time they had a wonderful new announcement.

Ebay had a good thing going, but apparently nobody at ebay ever took an accounting class, cause if they had they would know that a retailer can't keep increasing their cost of selling products without increasing their prices. They would also know that retailers can't survive at the rent-to-sales ratio that ebay charges, unless they raise their prices or charge more for shipping.

So don't believe the corporate-speak coming from ebay, this isn't a good thing for anyone but ebay.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 3:58:14 PM

It's legal.

eBay is charging the final value fee on the total sale price. The seller doesn't have to charge anything for shipping, if they don't want to.

Even with the current fees, if a seller sells something for $0.99 and charge exact postage, they aren't really making any money. But for those items, they can figure the extra FVF, which will be a few cents to $1 (on average), and add it to the start price to come out about where they are today.


In the meantime...eBay gets richer and you stay the same. Not much incentive to sell on eBay.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 4:27:49 PM

i see the falling of an empire
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 4:29:33 PM

Ebay isn't trying to protect buyers, they are trying for new and better ways to rip off the seller--just more corporate greed wrapped up under the guise of "protecting the buyer." Since we are already forced to use Paypal, they already get fees on the shipping charges--this will be a double fee on shipping charges. It's just another way for them to drain the sellers. They already have limits on the amount of money that you can charge for postage--so if you send something heavy such as several large books, you can't even get the postage cost covered anyway.

Ebay charges a listing fee, a closing fee, a fee on the shipping costs in the closing fee, a Paypal fee on the cost of the payment for both the shipping and the item. In Ebay's beginnings it was a place where the little seller could have a spot with the bigger ones. Now Ebay is pretty much the domain of large sellers who can afford to give away free shipping or take a loss on one item because of their high volume. For a small seller, it's pretty much not worth it to sell on Ebay--if you bought an item for $1. and sell it for $2. you have to pay the fees and shipping costs and are lucky if you make 10 cents on the transaction. Craigslist and the other auction sites are far better options than Ebay.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 4:36:52 PM

pricing its self to death
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 4:49:14 PM

In the meantime...eBay gets richer and you stay the same. Not much incentive to sell on eBay.

Oh, quite the contrary. Read my next post.
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 4:55:25 PM



50 free ( insertion fee ) listings per month, starting april 19th.


ihv... ok now an important question... these free listings, did the FVF stay the same or did they go up.... i ask this because i kinda looked at the possibility of listing "buy it now" and it seems the fvf is more than the norm? or did i mis read?
will
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 4:56:33 PM

what works in billy biggle land dont work in most other parts of the world some people here are going to be hurt and theres not much that can be done
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in reply to Apr 6, 2011 5:03:34 PM

I put up a post about this very thing! Do the quicker math, you say?! Do you honestly think that eBay is going to make changes that don't benefit them in some way?? 50 free listings... BIG DEAL! 35 cents times 50 = $17.50.
Sell ONE item at $50. Add shipping (which in this case the item is HEAVY - example).. say, $20 on shipping. Now you are getting charged, what... 9%? 9 x $70 = $6.30. Then add the Paypal fees... a few more bucks. SO, now you are up to nearly $10 worth of fees for ONE ITEM!!!

I'm doing the quicker math here - You may want to rethink that!

THEN, what about International shipping?? There is no way possible to have free shipping for international, unless you are independently wealthy! Which I am not! Even a first class item (4 pounds or under) is still going to cost you around $10, depending on what country.. How is that fair that I have to pay a FVF on shipping for an out of the country shipping charge?

Now, I lose all my International buyers because I refuse to sell over there and have to pay, yet another fee! I am one of the honest sellers out there that charges ACTUAL shipping!

And forget selling anymore heavy items. That will cost me through the nose! I'm so disgusted with eBay and all their dam fees and updates!

Just keep in mind that anytime you see an update coming, you know for a FACT that eBay will be benefiting - NOT YOU!


ihv... here is what concerns me... yesterday i listed an item that will weigh 55 or so pounds for shipping purposes.. seems to me that parcel post would be the cheapest ot ship HOWEVER the USPS shiping costs are as to zones.. example. to ship to say arkansas or whatever would be like 12 or so bucks (forgot the exact amt) but if i ship the same item to tacoma, washington the postage alone is like 56 bucks...

not in the future to ship anything heavy i have to rely on the most expensive cost so as not to get beat...now how many bidders will be complaining about my high shipping quote>>>>>

any suggestions on how we need to handle this? and is it possible to find a ebay site where one can discuss this with a person who works for ebay?

i really need these answers.. ebay is going to screw me if i dont sell and if i sell i get screwed on postage?

SUGGESTIONS
will
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