Why buyers don't trust eBay
This is a good example of why buyers don't trust eBay despite the money back guarantee. This item is listed in the clothing section and everything in the item specifics gives the buyer the impression that this is a pair of men's size 9.5 pair of the infamous Trump Sneakers. However, the item description reveals the sham of this posting and that what the buyer is bidding on is in fact a picture of the shoes. They also claim the proceeds are being donated to the Trump Campaign fund. Hard to believe that will all the legitimate listings eBay pulls they allow something like this to be listed. What do you suppose the buyers reaction is going to be when they find out they paid $3K + for a picture?
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farmalljr
·2 years agoHere is a thought..... Why should sellers take the time to police the listings? Is that now somehow the job of the sellers to police eBay's own site? Doesn't eBay have employees? Doesn't eBay write the code? How hard is it for them to tell AI that "trump and shoes" in a listing title need to be reviewed?
As has been pointed out, some that have reported, heard back "nothing suspicious here". Which is more than I ever hear back when I have reported listings. I no longer worry about reporting anything. Not my job.
eBay sure isn't giving any sellers any break for "helping" (aka doing eBay job). Why should I care if eBay loses a bunch of money to scammers? I mean they are quick to tell sellers "its a cost of doing business". Maybe they should learn to love that phrase for themselves?
This is all pretty much, much ado about nothing. Scams happen here every single day. Heck you have sellers and buyers who seem to make out pretty well scamming people for a living. eBay sure doesn't seem to do much about any of it. Masks and hand sanitizer were shut down instantly. And this could have been as well. No one can say it's just too hard for eBay to catch it all. It's not that hard, they have demonstrated that.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·2 years agoCuz' people care about each other?
I mean I KNOW it's really not all that fashionable but once upon nice evenings it was "United We Stand Divided We Fall."
Now we're in the midnight dreary of Finding Nemo, "Mine... Mine... Mine... Mine..."
There are some in this community who are grateful to eBay for both past and present of which I am one.
mam98031
·2 years ago@farmalljr
Why should sellers take the time to police the listings? Is that now somehow the job of the sellers to police eBay's own site? Doesn't eBay have employees? Doesn't eBay write the code? How hard is it for them to tell AI that "trump and shoes" in a listing title need to be reviewed?
Nope, you know very well that sellers are not required to police the site. Sellers have no authority to remove listings. If you don't want to do it, simply don't. But there is nothing wrong with sellers reporting a listing for what they see as a policy violation.
As has been pointed out, some that have reported, heard back "nothing suspicious here". Which is more than I ever hear back when I have reported listings. I no longer worry about reporting anything. Not my job.
You are correct. And this was address on the thread that is specifically about the Trump shoe listings. The AI is not always getting it right to remove the listings, but there are humans working on it too and they get it taken care of which is CLEAR because so many listings have been removed. Sadly some sellers are very persistent and keep posting more listings. But even with that there are a whole lot less of these listings than there was a couple days ago.
farmalljr
·2 years agoUnless you work at eBay, you are only guessing IF actual humans are reviewing any of those listings and pulling them down. It could be that after being reported so many times, it is being pulled. Again, unless you work there, none of us have any idea how many times a given listing may have been reported and what actually triggered it being pulled down. Though I will say, you seem to speak about this, like you have some inside knowledge of the goings on inside the eBay office. Unless you actually work there, which you have said you do not, this is again, another example of you speaking about something with assumptions, and not actual working knowledge.
While actual humans MAY be reviewing these listings, there is no actual evidence they are. Assumptions or "have to be" is not actual proof anyone is. Do you seem to think that every reply you make, you have to appear to be the person with the only factual answer? Do you feel you have to be the expert every time you reply to a thread? Because you come off that way in your replies and posts. I also notice your habit of coming into a thread after several pages have been made, and responding to posts 6-12 at a time. At times, there being nearly a whole page of your own replies on a page. All of these posts, you come off like you are "correcting" everyone and trying to make yourself the self appointed "expert" about whatever the subject is.
I didn't ask you to tag me, didn't ask for advice. While I do not have a problem with you, I'd appreciate if you exercised a little self control in the future and stop trying to "correct" me. You are free to express your opinion like anyone else, but you need to stop speaking on matters, like you know. In this case, UNLESS you work at eBay, your assumptions are just that. Stop trying to pass off your opinions like they are the gospel.
mam98031
·2 years ago@farmalljr
"Unless you work at eBay..." A common statement when a poster doesn't agree with something said. It is said in order to dismiss whatever was said because it didn't meet with the posters point of view.
As I said on the OTHER thread in which is specifically about the overpriced sneakers, I had contacted Ebay directly when the listings first started or I first noticed them, not sure if that really was when they first started. But I notified Ebay and also talked with them about some getting pulled and others not. I was told at that time it was the AI that was making some mistakes in not removing the listings when they should have, but humans were reviewing listings too, so it would all work out.
Now with that said, I could care less if you believe it or not. It doesn't matter one way or the other to me.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·2 years agoAs to trust in general of the eBay venue that's a real complex matter. Most consumers are well aware if they shop at eBay they are dealing with some individual party and eBay is the means. Folks who shop at Mamazon dont usually pick up on that, they are shopping with Mamazon and this is part of ruse of The Buy Box at Mamazon.
Owning the Buy Box is literally a night and day in sales and why it's not under scrutiny as its doesn't tend be lowest price. The lawsuits about it began in Europe and now floated here as well. Back in the day when PC Software was Pop-Pop-Popular did ok over there and what was sold almost always was lowest price as I coded up a re-pricer that kick the snot of anything existing than or now for that matter. Twice by mistake Mamazon gifted us the Buy Box and OH MY GOSH it was a literal flood. We were normally get about 4-5 orders per hour we were literally getting orders every one minute and thirty seconds. Could NOT believe it!
Well of course at that point I became a ho' for the Buy Box but the category manager just wouldn't play! For 99.9% of sellers they'd just go, "OH MY GOSH THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!" You couldn't push orders through three terminals at a Walmart Superstore as fast the orders were pouring in.
But back to reality... Trust in eBay falls directly in the laps of sellers just like any place else goods are exchanged. There are many aspects of that equation from price to actually delivering what was listed and much between. Back in the day I sold at several of the largest business to consumer venues that existed like Onsale, uBid, Auction World, iDeal etc very similar to say the former Overstock.com. Every one of them albeit some more strict than others required professionalism at every turn. Get an argument with a customer you're done, game over. There was no feedback type mechanisms as they were not needed, the venue category managers/staff made the decisions and they were final.
Now there are all sorts of ways I can think of to boost consumer confidence at eBay but as with anything there are up's and down's which most certainly impact the companies revenues.
ckimodog
·2 years ago@dbfolks166mt @mam98031
I noticed most of the photos of the sneakers were removed. My guess is from what I posted earlier, copyright issues. Now there are at least a dozen sellers who have the sneakers in their photos, but are selling flags? What next?? There's also a listing for a painted rock. Only $1500...lol. At least they're original.
dbfolks166mt
OP2 years ago@dbfolks166mt @mam98031
I noticed most of the photos of the sneakers were removed. My guess is from what I posted earlier, copyright issues. Now there are at least a dozen sellers who have the sneakers in their photos, but are selling flags? What next?? There's also a listing for a painted rock. Only $1500...lol. At least they're original.
Yea it's getting really nuts out there. Duplicate listings, pictures, flags .... It will be interesting to see if any comments get posted about the 50 sold items including several that were high priced pictures. Of course no idea whether the items were actually paid for.
mam98031
·2 years agoYes, but many of those sold items, if you click on the listing, it no longer exists, which means Ebay cancelled the transaction and refunded the buyer from the seller's funds.
mam98031
·2 years agoEbay keeps taking these listings down but thieves are persistent and creative. Sad but true.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·2 years agoI'd be keeping count, the names, all said and done take it all and gift to the Democratic National Committee who can look up who's who on voter roles which might turn up roses.
Might also go extent of taking the data and handing it to the FTC/FBI and if any of the perps reside in the USA they can say, "Welcome to you're felony. Have a nice day."
tobaccocardyahoo
·2 years agoThis is not at all surprising.
NFTs have been sold on Ebay and other sites by sellers of dubious ethics.
NFTs are an opportunity to lose money.
Ebay has always had sellers who have dubious ethics.
In the Pierre days of Ebay there was no recourse other than getting negative, and Pierre resisted any suggestions to police the site.
All Ebay sellers were viewed skeptically.
When Meg took over she realized that the site and its sellers bad reputation were restraining its growth. She made minimal progress in making the site more reputable because all of their revenues were derived from sellers and the disreputable sellers were loud about being reined in.
Every management change brought greater accountability for sellers, as did the increase in legal and regulatory attention.
Those who believe that you can do bad things so long as you follow the letter of the law are still here, and they are still spread across the internet. I hope they do not outnumber those who believe you do not do things they are wrong, whether or not the rules allow it. But that is a hope and not a belief that I have.
sextons-sweet-deals
·2 years agoall these listings need to be taken down and the scam seller needs to be either removed or put on an eBay watch list.
per eBay policy on pre-sale.
What is the policy?
Activity on eBay is required to follow this policy, the eBay User Agreement and all applicable laws, as well as respect the rights of third parties. If it doesn’t, eBay may take action consistent with applicable laws and the eBay User Agreement, and may even be legally required to do so. Such actions may include, as an example only: Removing the listing or other content, issuing a warning, restricting activity or account suspension.
These junk, fake, never produced, non-branded, source of mfr. listings will never happen
broto_64
·2 years agoThe selling of "photos" of the item is an old scam that ebay addressed back in the 1990's and hasn't worked in decades, while a few buyers might indeed get scammed it is these sellers that are up for a rude awakening (and in more ways than one).
Also there's another thread about these sneakers, seeing a slew of sellers jumping on some bandwagon is nothing new... Fortunately most buyers are not that stupid, there really are not that many Trump supporters, most merchandise with the Trump name on it is actually worth less than the same unmarked merchandise, and... "Get rich quick" schemes always work out good in the mind... In reality, not so much.
redlinear
·2 years agoI bet the eBay employee in charge of viewing listings that are reported is probably having a bad week.
farmalljr
·2 years agoBots.... No human necessary. What would make you think at this point, actually humans do much of anything at ebay anymore?
mam98031
·2 years agoIt is a combination right now. Some AI and some human intervention.
magicjohnsonsvariety
·2 years agoThen what do the 11,600 employees who work for ebay do?...
mam98031
·2 years agoThey are simply incorrect. AI does look at some of these listings being reported, but others are looked at by humans. It has been that way for a long time.
farmalljr
·2 years agoIt sure isn't answer the phone, now is it. It sure isn't listen to the sellers and address the long time problems with the platform.
selsa84
·2 years agoeBay won't be proactive about it because they stand to make a lot of money from these sales. Yes they'll take some down but a majority will sell and eBay will make good money off them.
mam98031
·2 years agoYet they are being proactive. They have been actively shutting down these listings. However more keep coming. But there are a lot less of them than there was earlier in the week.
ckimodog
·2 years ago@mam98031
Down to 42 from 84. Someone is doing their job....besides us of course. 😊
mam98031
·2 years agoI've tried to express that on this thread. Ebay is very actively trying to shut these listings down. But they are a little like bugs, they just keep coming back.
I know for some the easiest thing to do is blame Ebay [I'm not talking about you]. The dept that is handling this issue has been working hard to rid the site of these listings.
dbfolks166mt
OP2 years agoI've tried to express that on this thread. Ebay is very actively trying to shut these listings down. But they are a little like bugs, they just keep coming back.
I know for some the easiest thing to do is blame Ebay [I'm not talking about you]. The dept that is handling this issue has been working hard to rid the site of these listings.
I do see the number of listings dropping. Not sure if eBay is suspending the sellers that are doing this multiple times or not but I have reported on listing at least twice, it has been up for two days and has 151 watchers. I would post the listing but eBay stripped the listing out of my original post so I won't repeat that error, I would probably be suspended and the seller would keep listing the shoes.
mam98031
·2 years agoEbay rarely suspends a seller for one infraction. From what I've seen in other things, not this specific situation, it is the third attempt at posting a listing Ebay originally removed is when the sanctions start. A few days at first and harsher if they keep persisting.
I think it is pretty risky for established sellers to be doing this, yet there are some. Some people just get crazy when they see $$$ signs.
erikstuff
·2 years agoI think it's unfair that the seller has to pay the Ebay fee on the $9.50 shipping charge.
farmalljr
·2 years agoI think a processing fee on the tax and shipping is fair enough AND standard. Paying a FVF on those is just a sign of greed. It's also a sign that the platform has no idea **bleep** they are doing since they can't attract enough buyers to make their fee money through a normal channel. Nickle and diming the shrinking amount of buyers and sellers, usually leads to competition coming along and making you Sears or Kmart.
mam98031
·2 years agoYou are correct, it is standard in the industry on shipping, but it isn't on sales tax. I don't know about all the similar sites, but Etsy and Amazon do not charge any processing fee or FVF on sales tax.
farmalljr
·2 years agoCredit card processors have charged the processing fee on sales tax forever. I still remember all the threads when MP took over from PayPal. Everyone was loosing their minds because now instead of 2.9% on the sales tax, sellers were charged 13%.
I also have my own merchant account for my business. You are charge the processing fee on the TOTAL of the sale. Sales tax, shipping, product/service price, it all is charged the processing fee.
mam98031
·2 years agoI didn't say that no one charges their fees on Sales tax. I was pretty clear in what I said before and I stand by it.
FYI as you know a CC is not the same as a site like Ebay, Etsy or Amazon.
farmalljr
·2 years agoAmazon and Etsy are not a whole industry. You inferred that processing fees are not a standard charge on sales tax. Your assertion is quite wrong. Just because one or two PLATFORMS do not charge the fee on sales tax, does not mean the overwhelming majority do not. Almost every situation, the fee is charged on sales tax too.
For your information, a credit card processor, processes credit card transactions, It's not the same as Amazon, Etsy or eBay. They do not process their own card transactions, they are done by banking institutions. These platforms have agreements with these processors. These platforms have agreements with the processors, just like I have an agreement with mine. They charge the users of the platform a processing fee, just like I charge my clients a fee for using a card or processing a payment.
You can "stand by" whatever you want. I find sometimes when you respond you either are doing a poor job of wording your response, or you just don't know what you are talking about.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·2 years agoAt one time Amazon was working towards being an aggregate processor I've no idea if they managed do that and same of Walmart actually, subsidiaries. It's also likely that the .10 cent increase of the .30 cent per transaction is result of higher card processing fee's. All the way back mid last year there was reporting on card processing cost increases coming starting in October of 2023 and extending into 2024.
Unlike when I had merchant accounts where I could leave batch open all day then close it and get assessed the batch closure fee eBay would need close batch on each transaction. This is why it is separate and bot for example part of FVF as Adyen is getting the batch closure fee direct.
Yes, you 100% correct in that the discount rate (commission) via card processor is on the total in all retail.
That said when I'd the merchant accounts through EMS/Wells Fargo and later Card Service International we could process, Visa/MC, Amex, Discover, Diners Club having been approved by all of them eventually we could not add in card processing fees (Discount Rate). Nor could we set a minimum charge amount, if we had something for sale for one penny we could not refuse charge if that's how customer care pay or assess any sort of additional terms. You'll see sometimes places will say, "Minimum Charge $10" we couldn't do that. We were told flat out by our reps at EMS and later Card Service that's the fast track to loosing a merchant account.
Now that's not due to the card processing side of things, its due to the consumer side of things. Nowhere in the cardholders credit or debit card (checking) contract is there any mention of minimum purchase usage nor fee's assessed as costs of merchant card processing. So by me charging a consumer 2.5% for using a card whether displayed to them or not is not part of the consumer agreement with the card franchise. The processor is the processor, they dont care about anything except processing, you get passed stolen card that's just too bad, they'll process it.
Completely understandable why because it open the door to any number of things... Oh well POS equipment costs $300 a mo and I'm just going to charge customers each more $5 cover that. Oh, I've an employee, well just gonna charge customers extra to pay for him or her or add the old, "We've an 2% electrical surcharge that keeps the lights on."
mam98031
·2 years ago@farmalljr
I'm glad you are aware of that, but I never said or implied that "Amazon and Etsy are not a whole industry." So we have no problem with agreeing on this point. Were you expecting a complete list of all the sites similar to Ebay? IDK why, I never even suggested I would supply that.
"You inferred that processing fees are not a standard charge on sales tax." No I said that Etsy and Amazon do not charge their FVFs on the sales tax, because they don't. My statement was pretty clear: I don't know about all the similar sites, but Etsy and Amazon do not charge any processing fee or FVF on sales tax.
I'm not sure of your point or if you are just disagreeing to disagree. I never said what you are saying I did.
This is getting a bit ridiculous. I did not say what you are CCC were the same as sites like Ebay. In fact I said the opposite. You may have missed it: FYI as you know a CC is not the same as a site like Ebay, Etsy or Amazon.
Maybe you just misunderstood my post.
farmalljr
·2 years agoI don't trust eBay now. I trust my CC companies and their policies. Too many sellers here now that can't describe their merchandise accurately now, aside from these obvious scammers. It gets tiresome to me as a buyer, having to deal with bad sellers. Scams, I can spot usually. Bad sellers who do a bad job of selling, not as easy to spot.
The factors of "trust" go beyond the measure from short term scams like these. eBay really isn't doing anything to make the platform actually better, more trustworthy for buyers or sellers. I mean, just look at the "authentication" programs it's running. Plagued with problems. No real experts authenticating anything. Makes sellers look bad, makes the platform look like a clown show, Buyers won't keep tolerating it. Those vertical will eventually end up toast because of how it's being run.
There is a set of very good reasons this platform keeps shrinking. Trust is definitely one factor why people leave.
dhbookds
·2 years agocouple of thoughts.........
Am sure ebay liked the "publicity" at first
don't understand why Ebay doesn't, by now, have a listing block on these.... they are taking them down, but I see one from the 17th, others from 18th/19th and current.....they sure prevented mask listings pretty quickly during covid........
Wonder what's going to happen when it is 40 days out (what ever the presale rule is).......are we going to have 20,000 listings for a known quantity of 1000?
selsa84
·2 years agoBecause they are making money off them.
mam98031
·2 years ago40 BUSINESS days.
mike_jayroe
·2 years agoI'd like to make two points.
How much of the money is actually going to go to the trump fund and how much is the scammer going to keep for themselves?
And all people need to do is file a INAD demanding a refund, and the scammer has wasted all that time listing and relisting the item.
mam98031
·2 years agoIt all goes to the seller. Now maybe the seller will donate some of their haul to Trump, but then they may not.
But when would the buyer file an INAD? Would they do it within the 30 days they have coverage under the MBG, or would they try to file it outside of that date range. If outside of it, they aren't covered on Ebay and the seller would not have to process it. Now they could charge a Chargeback with their credit card company if they used one. But while Ebay offers 180 days to do that most CCC's don't offer that much time.
With that said, I'm with you that buyers would likely file a claim at some point. Especially those that just get a picture.
broto_64
·2 years agoI don't know about pre-sale listings since I've never made one but...
I believe the 30-day MBG in terms of a return starts on the day of delivery.
So then I am looking at one of these listings, and under delivery date it states:
So it's not August...
And I'm pretty sure the buyer can open an Item Not Received case 5 days after the 13th of April.
And a case for Not As Described as late as 30 days after the item has online viewable delivery tracking scan.
Ebay has been around for a long time, I really doubt there are any scams that have not been tried, and addressed. A lot of these sellers who plan on a dishonest deal are going to get hurt in the process, once MC999'd from ebay it is pretty much impossible to sell here ever again, most ebay bans are for life and they mean it... They really do, you can get away with things most every place but not here, once they ban a user they are unlikely to be able to ever get back on the platform.
dbfolks166mt
OP2 years agoI don't know about pre-sale listings since I've never made one but...
I believe the 30-day MBG in terms of a return starts on the day of delivery.
So then I am looking at one of these listings, and under delivery date it states:
So it's not August...
And I'm pretty sure the buyer can open an Item Not Received case 5 days after the 13th of April.
And a case for Not As Described as late as 30 days after the item has online viewable delivery tracking scan.
Ebay has been around for a long time, I really doubt there are any scams that have not been tried, and addressed. A lot of these sellers who plan on a dishonest deal are going to get hurt in the process, once MC999'd from ebay it is pretty much impossible to sell here ever again, most ebay bans are for life and they mean it... They really do, you can get away with things most every place but not here, once they ban a user they are unlikely to be able to ever get back on the platform.
These are just a few of the problems with all of these listings.
mam98031
·2 years ago@broto_64
Ebay has a policy that Presale items shipping date can NOT be further out than 40 business days. So all these listings breach that policy.
The April dates have to be incorrect. Trump isn't releasing these shoes until late JULY.
The buyer could open an INR ONE day after the latest estimated delivery date, not 5 days.
Oh these listings are a "new" thing on Ebay. I'm not sure anyone actually said that. Over the years similar things have been tried on different products, all meeting the same fate as they breach policy. And those sellers trying to sell a pic of the shoes is a scam that has often been tried on Ebay.
Ebay does not appear to be "banning" all of these sellers that they shut down listings on as some have come back and posted a similar listing again. Obviously thinking they can beat the system. Ebay does not usually "ban" a seller with one listing removal such as these shoe listings. A second offense usually gets a seller a few day suspension but a third offense is far more serious and can result [but not always] in the seller losing their selling privileges on this site.
broto_64
·2 years agoI am stating that is what the sellers have on their listings, in some cases as early as late Feb-Mar.
Of course it's "incorrect," what else would it be?
I suspect however that some of these accounts may be hijacked, these particular sellers had several hundred and the other a few thousand feedback. That stinks as well, imagine it is a seller's account that isn't too busy presently and doesn't realize their account has been stolen... They come back one day to login to ebay and find out they've been MC999'd.
ckimodog
·2 years ago@broto_64
I reported this listing yesterday and it was shut down, yet here it appears again. This whole category needs to go away. Many people have no idea what they're in for. The ones that thought they were getting shoes and got photos instead. Now the flags that will be digitally delivered & the seller doesn't own the copyrights to that photo. It's getting out of hand.
mam98031
·2 years agoThey can't shut down the entire category of Mens shoes. That would be totally unfair to all the other listings that are legit.
mam98031
·2 years ago@broto_64
I understand, I've see it too. It is likely a lame attempt by the sellers to try and fool Ebay into thinking they comply with the Presale policy. If you look in their descriptions, they say they don't ship until later this Summer.
Some may be hijacked, but it is likely most aren't because they are brand new sellers. Then there are sellers that are active sellers and have other things listed for sale, so not likely they were hijacked. But there still may be some, IDK.
sumsum70
·2 years agoReal scammers with real scammer resources don't waste time. They do get the money and they keep it. It is ebay who loses when they refund the buyer.
mam98031
·2 years agoNO, not really. Especially now that Ebay is the Money Processor. First new sellers will likely have their money held for a few weeks. And once Ebay determines that the transaction was against the rules, force the cancellation of the transaction and a full refund to the buyer. Don't forget, Ebay is in control of the money now. Which makes me wonder how these sellers really think they are going to get away with this trickery.
mitchellsmoving
·2 years agoBeen like this since inception.
Picture of a ticket to Bonaroo Festival. Or pictures of sweet, sweet Charizard cards but all you get is a grab bag of crap commons. Or some nice Ralph Lauren clothes....except it's not, just riding coat tails.
It's the job of members , buying or selling, to police these items, report them, they WILL be taken down.
But anywhere there's money there will be deception, so trust IS NOT NEEDED. Instead DO NOT TRUST, BUT VERIFY.
You get the picture.
krazzykats
·2 years agoAnything to make a buck. This is what it all comes down to. Money.
People are out to get them some anyway they can, regardless of who they may hurt along the way.
Or,
Maybe it's for the entertainment value. It goes viral on Reddit or one of the other channels. Everyone will come to eBay just to see the joke listing...eBay is not a joke for a lot of people who use it, by the way.
az93
·2 years agoAnd charging $9.50 shipping to get a printed photo of a shoe. I don't understand how this is allowed. Sure makes ebay look bad.
mam98031
·2 years agoIt isn't allowed. Ebay is closing these listings, but they just keep popping back up. Thieves can be very persistent in their efforts to take other peoples money.
ckimodog
·2 years ago@mam98031
I closed 7 listings this morning, but the sellers are still able to list. I'm not understanding why...They need to be naru'd, permanently.
soh.maryl
·2 years agoJust curious: How did you "close"7 listings if they are not your listings? Did you mean to say that you reported 7 listings?
ckimodog
·2 years ago@soh.maryl
Yes, I'm sorry that's what I meant. I saw the kid with the orange hood over his head 7 times. lol. Now concerning the Trump sneakers, there are literally hundreds of listings of "photos" rare ones (yeah, right) of the sneakers. Isn't that copyright infringement? Just curious if you or anyone else knew.
mam98031
·2 years agoI agree with you completely.
dbfolks166mt
OP2 years agoIt isn't allowed. Ebay is closing these listings, but they just keep popping back up. Thieves can be very persistent in their efforts to take other peoples money.
I reported this listing and received a response back from eBay that they found nothing wrong with the listing. Really!!!
mam98031
·2 years agoThat is the malfunction of the AI. I don't know what they are doing to fix that or how much time that would take, however when a human reviews them, they get closed. All the ones I reported yesterday were closed and that was over a dozen of them. I reported about that many earlier today and some of those have now been removed.
Keep in mind that just seeing the listing on your search return isn't accurate to which listings are active and which aren't. To be sure you have to click into the listing. If it says it isn't found, they have closed it and the searches will update a bit later.
dbfolks166mt
OP2 years agoThat is the malfunction of the AI. I don't know what they are doing to fix that or how much time that would take, however when a human reviews them, they get closed. All the ones I reported yesterday were closed and that was over a dozen of them. I reported about that many earlier today and some of those have now been removed.
Keep in mind that just seeing the listing on your search return isn't accurate to which listings are active and which aren't. To be sure you have to click into the listing. If it says it isn't found, they have closed it and the searches will update a bit later.
Quite aware of that. I do that in order to report them. As this story unfolds it will be interesting to see what happens with the ones that have sold.
mam98031
·2 years agoWe likely will not know.
mam98031
·2 years agoEbay is actively removing these listings and then sellers post some again.
It is unlikely that most buyers even know these listings exist, so I doubt this causes what you feel it does.
luckythewinner
·2 years agoWhy buyers don't trust eBay
Most buyers trust eBay, because most eBay buyers are not shopping for that particular item.
slippinjimmy
·2 years agoThe buyers that are still here "trust" eBay at least for now. That said scummy sellers are the primary reason so many buyer left and never came back.
This goes back to the early days of eBay, most of my friends who were buying here 20+ years ago were gone by 2005 after going through many bad experiences. After they left they continued to spread the word to avoid eBay.
luckythewinner
·2 years agoIf any buyers leave eBay because they got burned buying a political stunt with a six-month delivery date, then perhaps that is not a big loss.
inhawaii
·2 years agoSurvival of the fittest comes to mind.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·2 years agoIt's a MAGMA thing, "Make America Great Maybe Again."
mam98031
·2 years agoI don't think it is. These sellers are not turning the money they make over to Trump. This is good old GREED in play.
chapeau-noir
·2 years agoOr part of The Great Dumbening.
epowerbargains
·2 years agoSeveral community members have been reporting this and similar listings diligently for the last several days. It has been an eBay community board effort to get these listings pulled. People have been reporting the "photos" of the shoes listing as well as the "pre-sale" listings. Some of the listings have been removed. The problem is that it is like a nasty game of Wack a mole - delete one and more pop up. The overriding concern people have here is exactly what you point out - these type of listings erode buyer trust in eBay as a platform and by extension reflects poorly on legitimate sellers. It seems that removal of pre-sale listings that are in violation of the eBay pre-sale rules is a challenge for eBay.
dbfolks166mt
OP2 years agoI am watching the "Whack-a-mole" activity that is taking place. I have reported a few of the listings but they simply re-appear. This is case where eBay needs to apply penalties to those that continue to re-list the items.
magicjohnsonsvariety
·2 years agoAbsolutely, I have witnessed this myself. I've had to report items that were removed and the seller relisted the removed item 3 and 4 times.
No enforcement, no penalties and these sellers know it...
epowerbargains
·2 years agoYes, my experience as well. I have seen items removed and the seller immediately relist - removed again and again immediately relisted. No consequence. None. It's a mess ready to happen and hurt buyers.
robertgrahamfan
·2 years agoI'm surprised eBay removed them at all. Everytime I've ever reported a listing nothing has happened. I had no clue about this sneaker business but there are tons of other fraudulent listings out of China on eBay like brand new designer silk shirts for $35.
I do recall the site removing a 1/6 figure from eBay for being fraudulent, AFTER I'd paid for it. Good work eBay!
mam98031
·2 years agoMany members have felt that frustration. When there is a single report on a listing, it doesn't always get reviewed. But the more reports by multiple members that happen on a listing, the higher it moves up in the priority list to be reviewed.
This situation is different. This is where there are multiple members posting something that does not comply with the rules of Ebay. So Ebay is specifically targeting these types of listings. It happens from time to time when something in the marketplaces attracts these types of sellers willing to steal from people.
It is totally different from when there is a single listing that may break the rules. Here we are talking about hundreds of them.
evelyb30
·2 years agoThis is an SNAD waiting to happen. (political commentary omitted) The title, category and specifics don't match the description. Since a lot of phone buyers cannot find, never mind read, the description if I were the seller I'd end it and pull it. Like now.
epowerbargains
·2 years agoYou would end it because you are honest and follow eBay rules and policy. The folks posting this junk are hard core scammers and really need to be banned pronto.