USPS Kiosk Scans and PS Form 5630 are INVALID for Insurance Claims
Summary: calhounmonster shared concerns about USPS's provisional scans at kiosks and using PS Form 5630, which are not accepted as proof for insurance claims if packages are lost. calhounmonster experienced denial of claims and stressed the importance of getting a physical scan from a postal employee. Other participants discussed how scan sheets also lack individual package verification and shared similar frustrations with USPS processes. Some have successfully received claims despite provisional scans, attributing it to luck or discretion of the claims adjuster. The discussion highlighted a consistent issue with reliance on kiosks and scan sheets for insurance coverage.
Hey everyone,
I wanted to share a major heads-up regarding USPS shipping, especially for those of us who use self-service kiosks or scan sheets (PS Form 5630) to drop off prepaid packages.
eBay accepts those scans as valid proof of shipment for your tracking metrics, BUT here is the trap: While eBay accepts it, the USPS Claims Office does NOT.
Those scans are considered a "provisional scan" ONLY and if the post office loses the package before it is physically scanned by a postal employee or sorting station and you have to file an insurance claim, your claim will be DENIED!!!!
Their official stance is that because a postal employee never physically scanned the item, they have no proof the package was actually in their possession when it was entered into the system. (In other words, they assume you are commiting fraud.)
To Recap:
eBay metrics: Accepts the kiosk scan.
USPS Insurance/Claims: Denies the claim if the tracking history lacks a subsequent clerk or sorting facility scan.
How do I know? It has happened to me both with the PS Form 5630 AND with the Kiosk scans. DENIED.
They are telling us to use self-service options to clear the lobby and satisfy platform metrics, while quietly maintaining a loophole that lets them deny liability the second something goes wrong with a high-value item.
If you're shipping anything valuable or plan on filing a claim for ANY package that gets lost. DO NOT rely solely on the kiosk receipt or a PS Form 5630 SCAN sheet protect you. THAT IS A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY!
You have to ensure it gets that physical counter acceptance scan, regardless of how much pushback you get from the staff.
Now, here's where it gets absurd. My post office, Daniel Doffyn 60618 in Chicago, is LIMITING counter scans to FIVE packages.
I opened a complaint about this and they sent me a boilerplate response telling me to use a a PS Form 5630 SCAN sheet.
Then they marked the complaint as "resolved."
Now it gets even worse. Two days ago, I went in with the allotted FIVE packages, waited in line, and the clerk goes:
"You don't have to wait in line with those, you can scan those at the Kiosk."
So I said:
"No, the Kiosk scan is only a provisional scan and isn't valid for insurance claims."
Then she started berating me, saying:
"That's not true!" "You're wrong!" "That's not true!"
I explained how I actually was denied an insurance claim for that very reason, and she said:
"NO. Then you were denied for some other reason."
Then we got into a yelling match about it.
Yes, this is what I have to deal with from R. Young at MY post office at Kedzie and Grace in Chicago.
The upshot of the story is, DO NOT BACK DOWN. GET a TRUE Postal Employee COUNTER SCAN, no matter how much grief they give you about it!
bashort
·1 week agoif they are going to use self service scanning they need to make it where that is a official acceptance scan.
There are now technologies available that would keep people from gaming the system.
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoYeah, it's the post office, remember? Don't hold your breath!
thekulamoa
·1 week ago · EditedThat's very good to know, thank you for sharing. I've never used a kiosk scanner, but I do use SCAN forms, and now that I think about it, it makes sense that that issue would apply to them, since each individual package is not being scanned. Until the individual packages are scanned, the tracking only says 'Shipment Received, Package Acceptance Pending'. If I ship out using a SCAN form, but have a really valuable item in the batch, I'll remember to have the clerk scan that one separately, just in case.
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago · Edited'Shipment Received, Package Acceptance Pending' is a black hole where if that never changes, the seller is on the hook for BOTH reimbursing the customer AND getting an insurance claim denied. It's useless for anything but eBay metrics.
It's Tracking Limbo: The physical item is in the custody of the post office, but legally and systemically, the carrier has not officially acknowledged possession of that specific piece. If it gets lost at this stage, insurance claims and seller-protection metrics treat it as if it was never turned over.
They try to sell the kiosks and SCAN forms as a convenience for YOU, when in reality it is them shunting their work off onto you. It is a convenience for THEM— it is a LIABILITY for YOU.
thekulamoa
·1 week agoI ship from a tiny rural post office, where the clerk would tediously have to scan every single package if I didn't use a SCAN form, so it's definitely a convenience for me. I know USPS has sucked the past few years due to political interests not liking our 'socialist' mail system very much, but if it wasn't for the postal service, all of us would suffer. I don't think the postal service is trying to screw us over, and honestly, I've seen many sellers screwing over the postal service - from letter mail I've received that has counterfeit postage on it, to blatant misuse of Priority mailing materials, to the most hilariously wrong weighs I've ever seen. It does make sense that a provisional scans wouldn't count for insurance, because it would be pretty easy to pull of a scam with that. From my experience, the USPS is actually extremely lenient, especially compared to UPS and FedEx, because the USPS is a service, not a business (even though some people with too much money think it should be run like a business). For that reason, I have kinder feelings towards the postal service than I would towards a corporation, even if they absolutely can be aggravating sometimes.
Many postal clerks I've worked with are sometimes in foul moods, because they tend to get the brunt end of customers' frustrations, so I try to keep that in mind and not take it personally if they're a little short with me. That being said, some clerks are just rude and take it out on the customers. The clerk you talked to was definitely in the wrong, and I'm sure it sucked to be treated like that by her, but keep in mind that she's so obviously in the wrong that there's no point fighting with her about it anymore, and also keep in mind that postal clerks are what make your business work. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't be making money.
turquoisewaters2_7
·1 week agoJust today at my USPS branch, the manager there told all of us waiting in line to go use the kiosk machine, she even went into the lobby showing some……coming to us individually asking, when I declined and told her no, because when the post office lost one of my packages and you told me to use the kiosk scanner, they refused to pay the insurance! Guy behind me, said the same thing, he lost $600 eBay sale, person behind him, the same thing…5 of us lost funds as we are all resellers….her response, “well” and left in a huff! I know the sweet spot times to go in for my “ clerk scanned receipt” of my pkgs. It’s worth my few minutes peach of mind and part of my customer service to my buyers.
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago@turquoisewaters2_7,
GOOD FOR YOU! Good for all of you for standing your ground and telling her what's what with these bogus Kiosk scans. This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. Definitely worth the few minutes to stand in line and get a REAL scan. It's preposterous that they try to force us to use the stupid kiosk when they don't even know their own claim issues and the consequences to good, honest sellers like us.
kickin.assets
·1 week agoJust had a similar experience yesterday! Post office wasn’t busy. 8:30 am - Two people behind the counter, myself and another eBayer dropping off packages. The guy who I’d never even seen before was scanning my packages.
Long story short he kept telling me I could use the kiosk yada yada yada, I politely kept saying no. He just wouldn’t drop it. The other eBayer and I just gave each other knowing looks. He finally gets huffy on my last couple packages and says … well, it would make my job easier if you did … hella what did you just say to me?
So YOU (postal worker) who I (customer) does not know from adam, should make YOUR life easier by also doing YOUR job?!?
Absolutely NOT … I now will specifically wait for you “Mr. My job is so hard, do it for me” to wait on me whenever I see you working!
Let the games begin … 🎉
turquoisewaters2_7
·1 week agoHis job is hard?…let’s see, having to place pkg on scale, then use scanning gun on the bar code! Lol. My postal clerks know my name, we greet each other and they love the moment of quickness! I even taught them that you only have to wait 7 days to file a missing mail form online, not the 30 days one clerk was telling people. If you think about it, resellers make sure they have a job…..without our pkgs, want would they be doing?.. troll him indeed! Lol
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoTOTALLY! We are not asking for them to go out of their way!
All we are asking them to do is just DO THEIR JOB.
Is it that hard to do? Of course not. Does it take much time? No.
It takes longer to take care of a customer who has to purchase postage, but they don't gripe about that.
Or maybe they want to complain about that and send THEM to the Kiosk too!
Then what do they have to do all day, sit on their phones? I guess that's what they want because ACTUALLY DOING THEIR JOBS is too much BOTHER!
Hey, WE don't work at the post office, we're not getting paid to use the Kiosks.
Why should we have to do THEIR jobs?
shado-x
·1 week ago · EditedThat is true, because the USPS's position is the Kiosk scans it and yet you may not have placed it into the bin afterward. It states this similarity on the screen from which you accept the responsibility by clicking "I Agree" to move on. The official scan for insurance is the next one. Luckily for me, I found a US Post Office that is easy for me to have an employee physically scan my items; and then, that post office actually gives me a departure scan----the first scan is official in this case. I have 3 kiosk locations available to me, I used to use them extensively and never had a problem. I will use them occasionally depending on time and location. But now I am lucky to get a good post office.
ristei49
·1 week agoI always drop off my packages at the counter.
shado-x
·1 week agoMistake.
ristei49
·1 week agonope because I leave with a received scan receipt from the clerk.
onefootflipper
·1 week ago · EditedMessage erased, leaving forum due to threatening forum member following me around on the internet.
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago · EditedI ship 5 (sometimes 6) days a week. It doesn't cost me a penny to get a scan from the clerk! I It doesn't cost any more than getting a Kiosk scan. In terms of time, there is rarely even one person in line at the times I go to the post office. It doesn't cost a red cent to get a counter scan.
Besides, what "labor" cost? I'm not paying someone to go to the post office for me, I do it all myself. It's the end of the work day, I'm done for the day, I'm only going to go home and relax afterwards. ZERO labor cost to walk up to the clerk.
onefootflipper
·1 week ago · EditedMessage erased, leaving forum due to threatening forum member following me around on the internet.
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago · EditedA "special drive"?
"Hauling"?
My post office is less than a mile away, and my items are small.
I often ride my eBike, it costs nothing, and nothing "special" about it, it's part of my daily routine.
I'm a regular at the post office, they don't "hate" me.
What's the difference if the transaction involves buying postage or scanning a few packages, it's all work to them, just another transaction.
"Standing in line"? There is usually one or zero people in line at times I go.
"checks the weight and dimensions"? They don't check the weight and dimensions, they drop it on the scale, scan it, and ask for the next one. I'm in and out in 2 minutes.
Apparently, you don't know how easy it is to get a few packages scanned since you haven't been there in years, but it's nothing, I'm there and back home in 10 minutes.
Everyone else in this thread talks about dropping packages at the office, it seems like you're the unicorn who doesn't drop their packages at the post office.
a_c_green
·1 week ago · EditedYes; in fact, Package Acceptance scans are about the fastest transactions you can do at the front counter, as no money is changing hands. It's just weigh, scan, beep, done. Print receipt and you're outta there. My actual time at the front counter, even when presenting multiple packages, is less than sixty seconds.
P.S. (2 hours later) I am trying to fathom what in the world about this post required its "approval" by a moderator???
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoI think the deal is that they're graded by how much revenue they bring in during their shift.
That would make scanning a package a "dead weight" event.
That's the only thing I can figure out. Why do you think they say "any stamps for you today?"
They want to sell you something.
onefootflipper
·1 week ago · EditedRemoving my reply, you seem offended that anyone could have a different opinion than you.
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoSelling on eBay has been my career for over 25 years. I am a Top Rated Plus seller; your listings don't even carry a Top Rated badge.
It takes a lot of nerve for someone sitting at standard seller status to lecture a Top Rated Plus seller on shipping logistics and labor economics.
You're trolling eBay forums acting like an authority, telling people that taking two minutes to get a counter scan is "wasting thousands of dollars in labor," while completely missing the point that sellers with an actual Top Rated Seller badge have a higher standard to maintain to keep that badge.
If you're not getting scans from the kiosk or PS Form 5630 or getting a counter receipt, this post doesn't even apply to you. This post is about the validity of kiosk scans for insurance purposes; it doesn't even apply to you at all, so please STOP hijacking my post.
onefootflipper
·1 week ago · EditedRemoving my reply, you seem offended that anyone could have a different opinion than you.
bashort
·1 week ago · EditedBecause I do not make efficient use of my time anyway I save the cost of lost productivity from standing in line at the PO.
I always say work smarter not harder.
onefootflipper
·1 week ago · EditedMessage erased, leaving forum due to threatening forum member following me around on the internet.
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoAh, then it was never about "wasting time" to begin with. We all waste time.
It's about personal preferences. I honor your personal preference to make YouTube videos that only 6 people pay for if you enjoy doing them and it makes you happy.
So you honor my personal preference to get a proper bulletproof scan at the counter if that brings me peace of mind.
onefootflipper
·1 week ago · EditedMessage erased, leaving forum due to threatening forum member following me around on the internet.
a_c_green
·1 week agoThat's correct. Here is the explanation posted on-screen when checking in a package via the Self-Serve Kiosk:
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoYep, and that clerk argued with me over and over claiming this isn't true.
gurlcat
·1 week ago · EditedI believe the USPS insurance claim agents have as much discretion to make decisions as eBay agents have to do things like courtesy refunds. @68barbie said they have been awarded on 2 claims with only the provisional scans, and so have I (2 times). In my case it was maybe even more surprising, because they weren't kiosk drop-offs; they were scheduled pickups with scan sheets. In other words, there was no CCTV footage, and no package weights taken (not sure if the kiosks weigh packages or not, but I'd be surprised if they don't).
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoScheduled pickups are different. Those are scanned by a postal employee and they count. I have been denied twice, once with the SCAN sheet and once with the Kiosk scan. Why should I risk it? I'm there anyway, I might as well get the true scan.
gurlcat
·1 week ago · EditedI was talking about putting a scan sheet out with the packages for a scheduled pickup. Just because a postal employee scans the barcode on the sheet doesn't mean the packages are the same ones manifested in that bar code.
There's a way one could pull a lucrative insurance fraud scam with this, but I'm not going to lay out the instructions obviously. I'm just saying I was pleasantly surprised both times I was awarded my claim awards, considering I literally had no proof of ever actually shipping the items whose values I showed in the claims.
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago · EditedWas there another scan after the scan sheet? If there is a scan at a sorting center, then you are fine. I'm talking about situations where they scan the sheet, and then lose the package before another scan takes place.
gurlcat
·1 week agoThere were literally no scans after the scan sheet one that my mailman did at my mailbox, notated as "Package received, acceptance pending". This was 2 packages picked up over 2 subsequent days, but then never scanned again. I waited the prescribed amount of time before filing missing package traces on them, and then another couple weeks later, filed insurance claims. -Neither had extra insurance, just the $100 free insurance, but I was awarded for both of them, plus the label price refunds.
2 checks received by mail. This was in 2022.
I actually wrote a post about it at the time, showed all the proof including the tracking numbers and screenshots from the claim screen. But unfortunately I can't find that post in my history now, must not have imported over from the old Khoros Community forum.
Don't believe me if you don't want to. I already spent that money. 🤣
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoI'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm saying that it's at the discretion of the claims adjuster, and a postal employee pickup could be handled differently than a customer drop off. That's all. Consider yourself fortunate.
gurlcat
·1 week agoScroll ^up^ to the start of my comments -what's the very first thing I said? 😆
luckythewinner
·1 week agoThat makes sense to me, because a bad actor could simply scan the form at the kiosk and not drop off the packages.
toomuchstuffagain35
·1 week agoI don't consider myself a 'bad actor', but I've actually done that. My fault for not knowing (I do now) to check the chute wasn't locked before I scanned the parcels.
Ended up dropping them off at my usual PO the next morning. The odd thing was I noticed the actual PO acceptance scan from that morning referenced the same zip as the kiosk is at rather than my PO one zip over.
mozartbach1971
·1 week agoSometimes when I have a high valued package I ask the clerk to scan it in right in front of me.
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoIf the chute was locked, why didn't you just drop them at the front counter?
a_c_green
·1 week agoNot speaking for everyone's post office here, but ours has the Self Serve Kiosk and its drop chute in the outer lobby for after-hours use. The front counter is in the inner lobby, which is locked after hours.
If the chute is clogged, there is nowhere else to leave your packages; you just have to take them home again and bring them in the next day.
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoWe have an outer lobby too, but they unlock and lock that door at the exact same time that they unlock and lock the inner lobby door.
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoluckythewinner, both UPS and FedEX have self-service intake scans for packages, and those count as proof of acceptance with those companies. You could just as easily scan the label and walk away at those places, but they don't assume you are there to commit fraud.
68barbie
·1 week ago@calhounmonster I've received refunds on two lost items that only had provisional scans at the APC. My assumption was they checked the lobby cameras and verified I dropped the packages in the box. Most of my drops are done very early in the morning before the PO opens. The only time I ever visit a clerk is if it's signature required, has a type of hazard designation or is too large for the drop box.
-C
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago · EditedWell consider yourself very lucky. It's at the discretion of the claims adjuster and you happened to get lucky, but you're playing Russian Roulette.
Google it--those provisional scans are not normally valid for insurance claims.:
68barbie
·1 week ago@calhounmonster I don't consider it a matter of luck since I don't know all the criteria the USPS uses when evaluating claims. I will continue to use the APC when feasible and visit the counter only when necessary.
-C
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago · EditedThe criteria the USPS uses when evaluating claims is at the discretion of the claims adjuster. Claims adjusters can and will often deny claims if the only scan is a provisional scan. It literally warns you on the Kiosk screen:
tools*
·1 week agoOf course, a self-scan at a kiosk isn't proof of actual shipping. You could scan a barcode on a piece of paper, or a package and just walk away without depositing it in their bin.
A scan sheet, on the other hand, is just a consolidation of the packages presented to a clerk or carrier and is certainly proof of actual shipping. The individual scans wouldn't even indicate that a scan sheet was used.
bdmh-enterprises
·1 week agoScan sheet is no more of an indication of acceptance than the kiosk, for the same reason. Until the packages are individually scanned there's no proof that what's on the sheet is actually what was dropped/picked up.
warrenshobbies
·1 week agoSCAN form acceptance scans look like this:
calhounmonster
OP1 week agoExactly. PENDING. Not covered for insurance, and also your customer sees "pending" and thinks you haven't dropped it off yet. It sucks to scan a package, drop it off in the bin, and then have a customer emailing you asking why you haven't dropped the package off yet.
gurlcat
·1 week agoI have never once had a buyer ask that. It says RECEIVED, so obviously it means they have it. The "pending" part just refers to it being approved for moving ahead, like the weight wasn't grossly understated, there's nothing leaking out of it, or any other issue that might cause it to be taken back to the sender's address.
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago · EditedIt's happened to me on several occasions. The tracking is stuck at "Package Acceptance Pending" for two weeks, the buyer sees that and wants to know why the package isn't in the system. "Shipment Received" and "Package Acceptance Pending" are contradictory and fussy customers read what they choose to read.
calhounmonster
OP1 week ago · EditedOne could just as easily had them a scan sheet with 10 packages on it and drop 9 packages on the counter. They rarely bother to count them. Or someone could drop 10 packages that were different from the ones on the scan sheet. The SCAN sheet is ALSO considered a "Provisional Scan" for that reason.