TREASON Ebay partnered with Google and China to sell counterfeit US stamp
How else can I understand it? They censor us over every little thing we say so it is obviously permitted. The first thing I see this morning is one of the unending ads for this roll of stamp at half price. From China! This is not a mistake. It is not an accident. All the FAANG companies are in on this.
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mcw1627jed
·3 years agoAs others have said this has been going on for a couple of years now,
This is also happening with us gold & silver coins,even whats called junk silver.
They are even counterfeiting grading company slabs so many people who think they have a graded coin from a well known grading company could be very disappointed in the future.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·3 years agoThis morning I spoke with a friend who's a postal clerk about this matter, he told me legitimate one's ink will glow under UV light. He told me back in 2021 there was actually some news buzz about it locally and 99.9% assuredly anything like this coming from China be illegitimate. He told me generally what the PO does with unsold stamps is they are cancelled then sold to dealers.
He told me if someone suspects they've purchased counterfeit postage it should be reported to the Postal Inspectors which are basically Federal Police. He told me usage of them for postage is considered defrauding the Post Office and if found to be used on merch said merch can end up at a recovery center, it may not even be returned or delivery attempted postage due. He said these items usually just disappear from tracking scans.
He also told me just last month in February the USPS issued public warning about counterfeit postage and directed me to this: https://about.usps.com/newsroom/national-releases/2023/0215-usps-warns-the-public-about-surge-in-use-of-counterfeit-postage.htm
eburtonlab
·3 years agoThe latest fakes also glow under UV, and may not be distinguishable from the real thing without elaborate testing.
https://www.linns.com/news/us-stamps-postal-history/quality-of-modern-counterfeit-u.s.-stamps-keeps-improving
Folks interested in this issue might be interested in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjjrnaMGDl0&ab_channel=ConversationswithPhilatelists
The discussion about modern fakes starts around 9:50.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoThe latest fakes also glow under UV, and may not be distinguishable from the real thing without elaborate testing.
https://www.linns.com/news/us-stamps-postal-history/quality-of-modern-counterfeit-u.s.-stamps-keeps-...
Folks interested in this issue might be interested in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjjrnaMGDl0&ab_channel=ConversationswithPhilatelists
The discussion about modern fakes starts around 9:50.
Yes it has. I had also mentioned earlier that China and a couple of other countries have gotten VERY good at counterfeiting just about everything.
reallynicestamps
·3 years agoHe told me generally what the PO does with unsold stamps is they are cancelled then sold to dealers.
That right there tells me, having dealt with stamp dealing for over 50 years, that your postal worker has no idea what he is talking about.
For one thing, there is almost no market for used/cancelled modern stamps.
For another, dealers buy very small amounts of modern stamps because they are easy for customers to buy themselves.
But he is right about the 'tagging' on the stamps. Dealers sell UV lamps, both longwave and shortwave, for the use of collectors. The tagging can mean very different values on otherwise identical stamps. They can also be used on counterfeit money. We used to sell a few every year to the RCMP for that purpose.
However it is not difficult to buy UV inks to add to the stamps.
And he is right about the Postal Inspectors.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·3 years agoHey, well what do I know... I'm just the messenger LOL.
I don't use Stamps albeit when I was a kidlette I collected them, mainly US commemoratives. Loved looking at the detail of the mono colored ones, just amazing detail! My father collected too, he did global but focused more on British Colonial's and such. I remember him being part of an approval service and I'd be so excited when the latest batch would come! We'd all the Scott Catalog's and such back in the day.
Interesting side note which is like "Dang!"
My ex lady politician at one point early in her days of that was given a political appointment at a horse racing track as the regulator. The Steward of the track was a gentleman named O'dea and he was a Veterinarian as well. Now his family go back a long long long ways, he was actually the Vet to the Queen's horses and also an Olympic Vet, in fact, wrote a book about that as well as some local history books.
They were VERY close friends he and my ex and he's a place called "Rothcommon Farm" as I recall. Now I'd never been to the place but once upon time thoroughbreds and more. He'd taught my ex so well she could basically tell you which horse likely to win any race simply by looking at a brief history and watching the horse before a race. Astonished me, but like 85% of the time she pick the winner, couldn't gamble nor could I rules of the road so to speak.
All that aside years and years later when he'd become ill he called upon her to help organize his legacy of a lifetime of veterinary work, documents and more. Like I said, I'd never been to the place but she told me of things he'd had like a Victorian oaken table seat 12 people, w/ matching chairs given him by the Queen of England, expensive paintings etc. With me LOL?
So she tells me in his bookcase he's all these stamp albums spanning back literally generation after generation after generation passed along in the family right back to European colonialism. I was like OH MY GOSH! So she asked look at them and told me lions share never been cancelled, she took photo's of a few album pages. The albums themselves well, they don't make that anymore, just basically pages with squares upon them, no pictures of actual stamps. I was like WOW! Of course for the most part except for loose one's stuck between pages they were all glued to the pages, clearly existences of the albums long before the concept of stamp hinges or shadow box ones. She took a photo of the bureau where they were and I dont know, maybe 30 albums? I was floored!
He was in a very bad way and most her time was spent going through boxes and boxes and boxes in his onsite old veterinary office and the barn. She setting aside things of relevance, sorting them, the mans quite notable life's legacy to be donated to museums.
I'd told her if he'd like I'd happily take the stamp collection and make sure it's properly preserved, I'd certainly not sell it per se for personal profit but instead make sure it preserved and go to someplace where it could be appreciated by the public. Long story short he passed and when she went back all the stamp albums were gone short of one whomever the thieves were (she suspected the maid, perhaps groundskeeper, someone?) neglected one, its all French Colonial. I have it here someplace.
His lawyer a real piece of work alleged friend apparently had him sign off on ownership of things vs public auction or anything of the sort. Oh my ex got into with him! OH MY GOSH! I mean there were individual paintings she told me that were gifts from notable leaders Morocco etc that were worth thousands atop thousands... She told me the table alone which was handed down through British Royalty and ultimately gifted to him at the Queens Vet was worth at least $20,000/$30,000 if not more. They were prize possessions of a lifetime.
In the barn he'd cases and cases and cases of the books he'd written all brand new, he paid have them published. She went to the farm and they literally dumpstered the man's life. All the work she'd done over weeks and weeks and weeks of time they tossed, all those books, tossed. Oh she raged but nothing she could do, was all in his "Friend" the lawyers hands. How sad is that? How very very very sad is that...
No kiddin... Not a my listing mind you but here, https://www.ebay.com/itm/195598953331
inhawaii
·3 years ago"Hello Google and China, this is Ebay calling. What do you say the three of us partner up and sell some counterfiet US postage stamps and make a few bucks."
Ridiculous.
deltilogical
OP3 years agoI'm very angry over this onging travesty. And it was the first thing I saw on my screen this morning. When I clicked on the link it stated the item was from Hong Kong. No one saved these rolls in the amounts they are selling - but I can easily be proven wrong if they show us the original sales receipts. It won't happen. I've seen coin dealers selling these piled by the dozens and told them so-but they don't want to get left holding the bag. These fakes include luminescence and your local PO counter person nor the scanning machine can tell. There are differences - primarily around the little year date - the counterfeiters couldn't get that granularity quite right - but it is miniscule.
According Linns Stamp News March 13, 2023, a revision to the Domestic Mail Manual is proposed to take effect April 1, stating that mail that is affixed with counterfeit postage will be treated as abandoned and disposed of. If you buy a stamp at a drugstore or a hotel you might get one of these, no one the wiser, and the PO will trash it without notifying you.
This is not Mr Jones buying the a new sheet everyweek and his heirs selling the results. and that market is mostly gone anyway. If these were real stamps, they would be sold easily as a single lot half price or BETTER and not pieced out one at a time. It's ridiculous.
The real problem though is the need for Ebay to force the sellers to see ads when using the site. If I hadn't been forced to see the ad, I wouldn't have posted this here.
theteamsetguy
·3 years ago@deltilogical ,
I would think it would common to see coin dealers with discount stamps. Many people that collect coins also collect stamps. Gramma decides to sell coin and stamp collections to dealer.
mike_jayroe
·3 years agoTo those who say labor costs are too high, I disagree. Management costs have gotten too high. Used to be they made thirty times more than their employees. Now it is up around 300 times what their employees make.
If they would make less, costs could come down.
When you look at china, they are trying to cease the entire south china sea as their own territory. They are using all the American money to build up their military, improve the infrastructure, invest in a space program, and other things. The U.S. needs to spend money to improve things in America. I would be glad to pay more for American made products.
If they want to keep cheaper labor then move to a country that is more friendly to the USA.
reallynicestamps
·3 years ago@mike_jayroe
The U.S. needs to spend money to improve things in America.
President Biden was here in Canada this week, and that was exactly what he was conferring with our Prime Minister Justin Trudeau about.
Mostly on 'green economy' stuff, like producing batteries for electric cars.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-us-wants-canada-to-take-part-in-a-global-economic-decoupling-from/
And as part of NAFTA /CUSFTA, Mexico will also be involved in these talks.
mike_jayroe
·3 years ago@reallynicestamps
I was glad to hear that. Wish more items would be made here. At my last job before retiring I took care of shipping product to two of the biggest customers. One, everything went to three American plants. Then one production was moved to china.
The other one, everything went to mexico, china and the czech republic. I remember when I was a pre-teen, they made product in Towson, Md.
Wish they still did.
inhawaii
·3 years agoThe fact that these (or any) stamps are counterfeit is PURE SPECULATION.
As @maxine*j has pointed out, the ONLY way to know for sure is if someone from the USPS physically inspects them.
I'll pay a few cents more and get mine form the post office or from a reputable seller.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoThe fact that these (or any) stamps are counterfeit is PURE SPECULATION.
As @maxine*j has pointed out, the ONLY way to know for sure is if someone from the USPS physically inspects them.
I'll pay a few cents more and get mine form the post office or from a reputable seller.
Read my post. That is exactly what I intend to do. I am in the DC area so close to the Bureau of Printing and Engraving.
dirk12955
·3 years agoThe forever stamps have been around for about 16 years (2007) and were worth .41 cents at that time.
A forever stamp from 2007 that cost .41 cents can be used today with a value of .63 cents
People collect stamps. They go to the counter at the PO or they order from USPS.com or they get that
USPS catalog in the mail. They buy postage at face value and save it,
Granpa bought every sheet of stamps that the USPS produced starting in 1960 He's invested
thousands of dollars in USPS stamps and they are all like new. Now the widow wants to sell them. And there is not (For the most part) a single sheet of stamp in that collection whether it's a 3 cent stamp from 1960
or a 5 cent stamp from 1965 or a 60 cent forever stamp from 2022 that's worth more than postage.
So, Granma staggers into a stamp store or goes to a stamp convention to sell. She's get's about 50%
of the face value of her $20,000.00 in stamps or about $10,000.00
She's happy. The buyers happy. The buyer starts selling the stuff at a discount. He gets
80% of face he's happy. His buyer sticks the stamps on an envelope at a discount and he's happy.
I'm a collector since 1968 and discount postage has always been a thing.
maxine*j
·3 years agoAbsolutely. I have bought and used discounted postage myself. There is plenty of it for sale on eBay.
But discounted postage is a different animal, as you know, from the animal being discussed here.
Anyone unfamiliar with discounted postage who wants to see the difference can look at the many, completely legitimate, eBay listings for it.
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mcw1627jed
·3 years agoNot a good comparison.
Grandpa likely doesn't have hundreds of rolls of the same stamp.
Those 3,4,5ct stamps or whatever are hard to use to mail because how many you need and are worth less with each rate increase by the usps.
Where the forever stamp can be used for first class 1oz whatever the rate increase and can be used by businesses wherever.Not too many businesses are going to use multiple stamps on their mail because of the time involved .
I could go around in any town and sell all the real forever stamps I wanted if I had them for 1/2 face.Why would anyone be selling them for 1/2 & many cases less than a 1/3 ,pay the Ebay fees and give free shipping If they were real ?
I've reported dozens of listings on Ebay that were listed at 1/3 face or less and gave up as they are never ending.
dirk12955
·3 years agoThe Point of my story, If a seller walks into a flea market, a Coin shop, A stamp dealer, or goes to a stamp and coin show to sell his collection that is mostly postage, he's going to take a hit.
Not arguing if the forever stamps are real or not. I'm arguing that there are forever stamps
and other US postage being sold at a discount that are perfectly real and can be used on a
daily basis to post mail.
I've purchased rolls and other forms of forever stamps on ebay for years. All of them were
real and all of them were purchased at about 60-70% of the face value at that time. The fakes
are a more recent problem and finally drove most forever stamps off ebay.
And while were on the subject. Ebay hasn't stopped the sale of coils of forever stamps. I just looked at a sold listing for 5 rolls $63.00 X 5 = $315.00 and they sold for $225.00 There's a very active market for rolls
of forever stamps on ebay today.
mcw1627jed
·3 years agoI agree that discount postage lots are available with forever stamps mixed in for a good discount off face like you stated.As I buy them myself from time to time.
It's the many listings with many multiples of rolls at 1/2,1/3, 1/4 of face.Most listings I reported were listed as located in CA with seller's of little feedback.
This has hurt the sellers of legitimate forever stamps both pushing the selling prices down and taking away sales.
Many of these counterfeit listings are easy to spot and Ebay could easily do more to stop them.
They seem to be able to remove many other types of listings.
Because of all the bogus listings over the last two years,I personally won't buy any forever stamps I can't inspect first.
I expect the honest sellers will have fake stamps working into their stock in the future.
hurryagain
·3 years ago@dbfolks166mt
Do keep us informed on how it goes. It will be is very interesting to hear what happens.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoDo keep us informed on how it goes. It will be is very interesting to hear what happens.
Sorry I should have returned and followed up. When I went to look for and order these stamps I was never able to find the listing or anything close to it so I was never able to place an order. Not sure if the seller was suspended or something else happened.
a_c_green
·3 years agoI don't know if they would be any wiser once they do physically inspect them. I'm not aware of any embedded countermeasures in genuine stamps that could show the difference between real ones and fakes made by a high-quality printing process.
As for spotting fake stamps in use, I don't see it likely that anyone monitoring the mailstream is going to spot one fake amongst a sea of genuine ones (of all designs and denominations). As the old joke goes, nobody bothers to make counterfeit one-dollar bills, but making fake Forever stamps is probably a popular and practically undetectable business.
12345jamesstamps
·3 years agoAnyone using fake stamps on an envelope...envelope will be confiscated/not opened...and authorities will contact you. People take a chance using them.
Just like stamps that did not get cancel on envelopes losing their gum and are resold on the market to be used again.
This reminds me of the great Zeppelin USA stamps from the early 1930's...a man was able to buy most of these stamps at the post offices when they came out (remember 1930's) easy to do. He increased the value of these USA stamps by hoarding them all from the post offices. Unfortunately, he did get caught and got in a lot of trouble.
We also have the Ukraine stamps 2022 "Great Warship...Done!"...a lot of fakes out there.
And don't even get me started on the fake wine labels China has made and put on bottles of wines and sold to those who know nothing about wine....
krazzykats
·3 years agoWhat I read is the postal service cannot detect counterfeit stamps.
But you can report the seller to the USPIS here:
United States Postal Inspection Service
reallynicestamps
·3 years agoshould be able to locate documents that show USPS selling older forever stamps at a substantial discount. I doubt one could find such documentation.
Yes and no.
There are valid US postage stamps sold legally every day oneBay and elsewhere at discounts.
The rolls of current Forever stamps are, I believe, sold at Costco for a discount. And USPS is supplying them directly.
On eBay those rolls pictured above are very questionable, especially at the kind of discounts specified.
However, many stamp dealers, here and in shops, buy tonnes of valid postage daily at steep discounts and sell at lesser discounts.
Because : collectors.
The USPS has a Fulfillment Centre where stamp collectors can buy current issues (at full face). They do this to keep their collections up to date when local post offices prefer the low labour alternative of making labels.
We get those collections of mint never hinged and valid postage stamps when the collector dies. The widow brings in $10,000 in face value postage, often more and often in the original never opened package, and we buy at well under face.
Turning the stuff in the estate into money, which is more useful.
Surprisingly some collectors will have those rolls. Perhaps the intention was to check them for valuable varieties. Perhaps it was the OCD kicking in. Perhaps the collector was really a hoarder.
So yes there are valid, legal, postage lots available on eBay.
What we postage resellers /stamp dealers won't have is multiple rolls of Forever stamps. That's not how our collector base thinks.
Fun fact, every stamp of the USA since the end of your Civil War is still valid for postage. Even the Jenny Invert.
dhbookds
·3 years agoTreason? that kind of hyperbole is kind of useless in my opinion...
never understood why people don't blame the sellers for this kind of counterfeit stuff.....if people didn't buy it to sell, China (whoever) wouldn't sell it....
Manufacturers have moved production to cheaper labor areas for years........Textile mfg went from England to New England in the 1800's.....to the south in this century to Latin America.....to the Far East..... and will probably end up in India after China........
And don't forget the rise (and fall) of Japan........in the 90's "they" were going to take over the world with the electronics mfg........
Fact of economic life.......production will seek the cheapest cost, build up an economy until wages become more than elsewhere.....and then will move to the elsewhere....... Economies benefit by more money in circulation during the "boom" times and will "invent" non manufacturing jobs for displaced manufacturing workers as manufacturing moves on........ perfect system.......absolutely not.... but it has raised the standard of living from an uneducated agrarian/barter system in many countries......
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoTreason? that kind of hyperbole is kind of useless in my opinion...
never understood why people don't blame the sellers for this kind of counterfeit stuff.....if people didn't buy it to sell, China (whoever) wouldn't sell it....
Manufacturers have moved production to cheaper labor areas for years........Textile mfg went from England to New England in the 1800's.....to the south in this century to Latin America.....to the Far East..... and will probably end up in India after China........
And don't forget the rise (and fall) of Japan........in the 90's "they" were going to take over the world with the electronics mfg........
Fact of economic life.......production will seek the cheapest cost, build up an economy until wages become more than elsewhere.....and then will move to the elsewhere....... Economies benefit by more money in circulation during the "boom" times and will "invent" non manufacturing jobs for displaced manufacturing workers as manufacturing moves on........ perfect system.......absolutely not.... but it has raised the standard of living from an uneducated agrarian/barter system in many countries......
Totally agree with regards to normal production. It's the counterfeiting that I have issues with. To the best of my knowledge USPS is not producing stamps in China. Give it time and USPS will probably have to watermark the stamps to prevent, or at least make it more difficult to counterfeit stamps.
stuff4divas
·3 years ago@deltilogical did u report the listing? all ebay listings have a 'report this item' button on them.
maxine*j
·3 years agoI am sorry to say that this is old news. Counterfeit postage stamps have been coming out of China for several years now. It started with Forever stamps and now includes others. The counterfeits show up everywhere on the web, not just eBay and Amazon, and the USPS fights this all the time.
Here is some info from USPS, including a place to report sellers of counterfeit stamps:
https://www.uspis.gov/news/scam-article/counterfeit-stamps
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somanypostcards
·3 years agoI suggest people go to this link and view the video. Near the end it says: "Buying and using counterfeit stamps is a Federal crime." This puts eBay buyers at real risk!
oletooks
·3 years agoFor your information the stamps sold by TERAW are older Forever Stamps: These postage stamps are valid USPS forever postage stamps that can be used at any time. They can be used to send mails that weight not more than 1 ounce by USPS. We use them all the time. At first to make sure they were valid, we contacted our local USPS and they confirmed that they are valid postal stamps. They are sold by a firm in Alaska. If the US Postal Service says they are legal then whoever told you they were from China is in error and doesn't know what they are talking about. Visit the TERAW website, they also sell a variety of sporting items etc. for Alaskan sportsmen and sportswomen.
maxine*j
·3 years agoThe only way anyone at the Posf Office can say if stamps are real or fake is by examining them physically. So you took them into a USPS office and someone there told you they are legit, you're fine. Otherwise, well...
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oletooks
·3 years agoYes, the postal officials confirmed that they are valid USPS Postal Stamps!
maxine*j
·3 years agoIn person, right? Someone at a Post Office personally and physically examined the stamps, right? Otherwise, you have zilch.
oletooks
·3 years agoYes, that is exactly what was done.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoYes, that is exactly what was done.
So this posting has gotten so interesting that I am going to place an order. Since I am in the Washington DC area it's not a problem to take these to the U.S. Bureau of Engraving & Printing where the USPS has its stamps printed to get them authenticated.
If they are authentic then heck of a buy. If not I will just file a NAD along with the documentation from the Bureau.
mcw1627jed
·3 years agoUnless they actually opened the roll and checked for the phosphor tagging and for plate numbers about every 25th stamp ,they are likely still fake.
If they just scanned the roll for the barcoding they didn't know what they were doing.
I reported dozens of these fake listings on here and just gave up as they are never ending.
If they're at half face or less they are simply fake forever stamps if they are available in quantity.
I contacted postal inspectors with fake rolls as evidence and they just didn't care.
mcw1627jed
·3 years agoDid they just scan the roll or open them up and inspect each stamp? Because the two rolls I purchased a year + ago to verify those fake listings then scanned fine and the postal workers at 2 po didn't know anything about the difference.I had to open and inspect the stamps myself .No Plate Numbers on the roll.
That roll should have a plate number below about every 25th stamp near the bottom.
m60driver
·3 years agoSince USPS is a government entity then one should be able to locate documents that show USPS selling older forever stamps at a substantial discount. I doubt one could find such documentation.
oletooks
·3 years agoWho needs documentation if the USPS Says they are valid US Postage? Why would that be necessary?
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoWho needs documentation if the USPS Says they are valid US Postage? Why would that be necessary?
For the same reason eBay often requires sellers to provide receipts and proof of where they bought the items they are selling.
buyselljack2016
·3 years agoCall me a skeptic, but I find it hard to comprehend how a profit can be made selling coils of forever stamps for $29.99 that cost $49 when sold by USPS in 2017. (reference notice 123 Jan 22, 2017)
Your "local" USPS is very possibly not qualified to verify stamps to be valid.
a_c_green
·3 years agoOh, God, no. The average clerk barely knows enough to get by with the business he's transacting every day (and even then, I've seen too many in-person examples of clerks being anywhere from clueless to flat-out wrong).
I can envision the clerk squinting at the suspect stamps, then calling over the most senior employee within earshot, they both study the stamps closely, then announce that they can't tell. (They may be right, in that instance.)
buyselljack2016
·3 years agoA local postal worker at an office that I frequent recognizes that a customer is using fake (line through the forever) stamps, closes eyes/mouth, sends the mail along to possibly be detected on the way. Does not wish to confront the clueless customer.
Someone is going to be very disappointed if one of those stamps is on an envelope with a payment enclosed, and that mail is confiscated/payment delayed.
a_c_green
·3 years agoNo competent counterfeiter would produce stamps looking like that, with a diagonal struck through the "FOREVER" caption. Those are sample stamp print images, what you see in news articles or on the USPS website, with the strikethrough added to prevent someone from downloading and shrinking the image to postage-size, then printing up his own fakes. Only a card-carrying doofus would try to use one of those images for postage. Sounds like you've found one. 🙄
the-hook-and-the-loop
·3 years agoI have seen these half priced forever stamps on Walmart.com and some other big websites. I almost pulled the trigger, but didn't.
the-hook-and-the-loop
·3 years ago#1 Best Seller in office supplies with not 1 negative review.
maxine*j
·3 years agoIt obvious that that was not written by someone whose cradle tongue is English,. Also, it is not true that that one of those Forever stamps covers the cost of one ounce of international postage. There is a Global Forever stamp, which carries one ounce anywhere in the world, but it is always a different design than the domestic Forever stamp and always more expensive, of course. They are currently $1.45 each.
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the-hook-and-the-loop
·3 years agoIt's wonderful that you enjoy fine print, but that has nothing to do with why I posted the performance of the listing on Amazon. I haven't seen proper grammar since the 90's. And again, the listing hasn't received any negative ratings, even with the false advertising. Stamps are currency as far as I'm concerned. There's not one American who wouldn't pay $0.80 for $1.00 all day long.
chris13
·3 years agoStamps are protected as a form of currency. Im not sure why this isnt just a simple 'Report it as counterfeit.' listing?
I shut down a seller with 41,000+ listings last week. Didnt see it here? Thats because I PM'ed a support agent and engaged with the Trust & Safety team. Who cares where they are from? Crime is crime and victims are victims.
sailinship
·3 years agoThis is 100% true, stamps are considered, for all legal purposes as currency. An interesting subject to look into is how and why the Secret Service was created, and when/why they added to their primary function, which was controlling counterfeiting, the protection of the president.
I don't understand why people aren't waking up to the danger that the CCP, it's not China folks, those people aren't to blame, but the CCP is.
I live in NM, and we are now seeing a massive uptick in drugs and drug related crime, I'm sure it has to do with the cartels pumping us with fentanyl. Use this search term "Vigilance Elite Cartels" Luis Chaparro, Ioan Grillo and Ed Calderon can fill you in.
I don't blame China, it's the way wars are fought right now, but I do wish our government would do something to protect us from the poisonous pet foods, the counterfeits and the huge cost incurred by our native businesses.
Last thing I'll say, don't buy Chinese if you can help it. Every man that has a pocket or fixed blade knife should know that there are great American companies that sell those. There are All American clothing brands, optics makers etc. as well. And don't be so picky, I don't care if this one tiny screw, or ALL of the components are made in China originally, if that American company is helped to grow, they will eventually have the experience and resources to manufacture.
But hey, if you don't care about this, then don't care, I don't care if you don't care, so who cares?
lloydsteventaylor
·3 years agoi agree. fraud. i googled 100 forever stamps roll and got a link to teraw.com. they sell 100 for $29.99. what? how?
but ebay is allowing this to be advertised on ebay from google ads.
why doesnt google and ebay screen these ads before publishing them?
mike_jayroe
·3 years agoI want to buy American made products. My microwave crapped out and had to buy a new one. Now my printer/copier/scanner is starting to go up. All I can find on the internet is junk.
m60driver
·3 years agoAny company can control the quality for products made in China and many make very high quality products and make them for a fraction of the cost of manufacturing them in the US. Do you want to pay over $500 for a new microwave? And the biggest threat to the US is the current cabal of capitalist oligarchs who engineer the political economy to their benefit with bribes to politicians.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoAny company can control the quality for products made in China and many make very high quality products and make them for a fraction of the cost of manufacturing them in the US. Do you want to pay over $500 for a new microwave? And the biggest threat to the US is the current cabal of capitalist oligarchs who engineer the political economy to their benefit with bribes to politicians.
Agree and that is a product of our own doing. American companies simply manufacture where the cost is cheapest to produce and they can and should control the quality. Where I draw the line is the non-sanctioned counterfeiting or production of items. One of the big problems with the counterfeit items coming out of China is they have gotten pretty good at the process and it is often difficult for even experts to tell the difference.
sailinship
·3 years agoYears and years ago there was a story about a company that was receiving an over abundance of returned items to be repaired (it was electronics) under warranty. So, they fixed them, but got a team going to look into it. They found out that there was a company in China (I believe, though it might have been a different Asian nation) where they were making counterfeits so well, that the techs who fixed them couldn't even tell. The counterfeiters even went so far as to set up a phony corporate headquarters and storefront with the authentic companies name. Now that's serious business.
sailinship
·3 years agoThey make some quality products, but they intentionally pushed planned obsolescence to the extreme, everyone knows that. You see it especially in tools. I have seen construction workers buy things like sawzalls that literally broke on the first cut. That means all that time and resources spent manufacturing the item, shipping it, transporting it etc. was wasted, and the landfill or recycling yard now gets more full.
That's just a bad thing to support.
Also, I just wanted to say "Any company can control the quality for products made in China " that this is just not true if the company making the items in China can undercut the competition in cost, the company really has no choice. Not to mention that a lot of the time these products are made in China and not shipped until sold, which means that nobody is doing any quality control in between.
Then there's the fact that One brother goes in to the factory in the morning to make what the American corporation has contracted them to, and the other brother goes in at night to make the counterfeit. Not saying this happens everywhere or that all Chinese do this, but it does happen, and with the nod given, maybe even the nudge in certain industries (Looking at you Tencent) of the CCP, because the CPP controls all industry in their country.
As far as the Cabal, yeah, that is horrible. Both sides. Just look into Mitch McConnell's dealing with China and how rich he got by helping them, and neglecting us, but I probably shouldn't be talking politics on this forum, so that is all I'm going to say.
luckythewinner
·3 years agoHow else can I understand it?
Objective critical thinking would probably help.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoWhy does this not surprise me in the least. China, along with a number of other countries, counterfeit about about anything you can name and a lot of the activity is supported by their governments. This one should be reported to the USPS IG as possible counterfeiting activity. USPS is already loosing enough and jacking up prices to cover losses without this added problem.
toysaver
·3 years agoAmerica is so screwed. We can't even make our own socks or underwear anymore. We pay to have it made and shipped from the other side of the world. Our money has given this other side of the world the opportunity to buy our real estate and control our destiny.
ms.rodriguez*
·3 years agoThe problem is that labor is expensive here. Everyone wants inexpensive items. You can't get that if American made unfortunately. Anyway, these counterfeit stamps are all over Facebook too. I read an ad the other day and the next morning I had 3 more ads for the same fake stamps but from different companies. It's obvious if the stamps are way below price, they are fake. Both Ebay and Facebook do a very poor job monitoring this.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·3 years agoSpot on, it's lifestyle comes down to it. America more so than any nation is the shopping cart of the world and has been. When the lions of share of products bought by Americans were made in America the land used its $$$ influences all over the world whilst the USSR used its might and protective nature to divvy up the globe for the most part.
Cheap textiles for example used to be the business of Mexico towards US import after we decided making low end clothing couldn't run good profit given wages, insurance etc... Lifestyle. Along the paths we went from a production/manufacturing economy to that service and tech. We'll hear legislators yell and howl about unfair Chinese competition, incidentally same thing happened with Japan and cars, consumer electronics however Japan nor S. Korea for that matter are near as populate as China and both were somewhat still under the umbrella of America's post WW II & Korean War impacts.
Most American's don't understand China's history nor for that matter care acknowledge that a huge swath of Western USA was essentially robbed from Mexico under completely manufactured pretense. In the case of China more Chinese lost their lives in WW II than any other nation on the planet and that's what set them into a "Never Again" mode. Its estimated over 18 million Chinese Civilians were murdered in WW II, in comparison the Holocaust its estimated 6-10 million last I knew and those from all over Western/Eastern Europe not only Germany local.
Back to today yes, counterfeiting is a big problem perhaps less so than information technology theft but both are significant. A problem is Government here in the USA insists China compete on US Terms and you hear it spun. "Americans can compete with any countries workers in the world given a fair and level playing field..." That's 100% true but they don't complete the statement, "as long as we dictate that playing field."
I've heard Commander Biden now say on four occasions, "Buy American..." I've not heard that from any President since I was a teenager in the 70's. They just don't say it nor will American's heed the call because its all about maintaining or growing lifestyle.
Imagine government saying, "Look folks, 20% of everything you make is going away so as we can rebuild America's ability to compete in this new world." Political suicide and never fly. The reality is all the way back in the 1980's many a notable think tank stated the lifestyle is not sustainable in a world increasingly becoming competitive.
China has significant debt too, like 18 trillion across a population four times that of ours. US national debt is $32 Trillion, across four times less population. From the 80's forward under "Trickle Down Economics" which ***IS*** trickle down WEALTH and LIFESTYLE make no mistake we've built more Millionaires than any nation in the world who've ****FED**** off incestuous addiction of lifestyles. I've said this before, we've 750 billionaires who are the constant brunt of "they are bad people!" and they command 5.7 Trillion dollars. We've 22 MILLION millionaires who command 158 Trillion dollars. Anybody care LISTEN about WHICH is the POLITICAL FORCE its those 22 million by sheer number and influence, we've 321 million people in the USA, look at the percentile. Its WHY one side of our spectrum deemed "The country club" as THAT IS WHAT IT IS and the LAST thing they want is measure taken of it and the "Serfs" deciding "Well that's enough of that!"
Even under NOMINAL circumstances of Chinese labor and civil rights advancement the USA would STILL have huge problems competing against that nation. They emerged late into the global ecosphere of open trade and competition but in engineering that they looked hard and long at what works and doesnt. They centralized manufacturing & support area's whereby we never did. We freight things all over to make product, they do not as just one example.
Now back in the 1980's these think takes stated if Americans simply spent 15% of disposable income on American made products our economy boom. But American didn't and dont, they seek the most for their money so as they may obtain more, that's the recent 60 year history.
Who knows if there is a way out or whether America goes into the history as one of the shortest lived nations in global history.
mike_jayroe
·3 years agoI've reached the point that if I "NEED" to buy something that I can not find made in America, then I will try to find something made anywhere but china. I got a tea pot that was made in Thailand. Every other one I looked at was made in china.
If I can't find something that I do "NOT" absolutely need that is made in America than I will do without it.
I am sick of supporting chia's economy.
retro_entertainment_collectibles
·3 years agoGet no argument from me, I've been saying we've been in trouble since the 1980's when I saw and read findings of the very think tanks I spoke of. Does anyone think Chinese people have gotten rich in their country from "The Country Club" building up of American Millionaires? Americans have been complacent in a shift of values that now stray towards "Me and Mine" not "Us," Lifestyle and entertainment have shifted core values and that was taken advantage of in big fashion. I was involved in politics some 15 years and whilst people love the point fingers, judge and juror the truth of the matter is much of the world did not sit on it's behind the past 50 years pursuing lifestyle and entertainment. Nor will American's give up anything of significant lifestyle consequence even to ensure a nation exists for their children or grand childrens future. Saying it and doing it are two different things.
There is literally no generations in America's history that have had it easier than the Boomers forward, now the costs of that are facing the nation. Question becomes how do people take many steps backwards so as their kids and grandkids can even have a possibility of stepping forwards.
assortedcollectibles
·3 years agoNone of this is by accident, but planned. It is the same all over the western world.
stevemartin60
·3 years agoIf you have a Republican Congressman who isn't on the take to the Chicoms, call their office and keep calling until you have given them all the details, and let us know what is said. Also call the fraud division of the FBI, and explain it all to them, also, even though they even tell you they won't get back to you. Then do it all over again with the Better Business Bureau.
Great catch, and so typical of what is happening on the "new and improved eBay."
I will definitiely keep an eye on your thread to see what happens.
Thanks for the information.