THE RIVER IS NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY ABOUT THIS!!
A good thing that Ebay requires receipts from new sellers listing lots of new, designer, items. The river should have been so thorough.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-mom-alleged-ringleader-behind-185020113.html
33 comments
ed8108
·2 years agolakefor94
·2 years agoIt is mostly done by bot. I am sure they have some human staffing but not even remotely close to enough humans to address perhaps even ~10%~ of the cases and eBay is NOT concerned as there will never, ever be a shortage of sellers.
Running questionable sellers off the platforms has always been a staple on AMZ and eBay is following along. Too bad honest folks get caught up in the initiative as well.
dbfolks166mt
·2 years agoAs others noted unlike eBay which simply suspends a sellers account for suspicion of unusual activity and does nothing I suspect Amazon may have been involved in the initial investigation by law enforcement and may have in fact been the one who alerted them to the possible ring.
Those numbers and timeline figures were certainly not obtained without a data source and that could have only come from one place, Amazon.
12345jamesstamps
·2 years agoI live in California and yes...you are correct. Sellers are and have been being looked over with a magnifying glass by eBay per the government now. Living in the center of all these robberies over the years...walking distance from downtown San Francisco. These sellers better have receipts for items they are trying to sell nowadays.
caldreamer
·2 years agoI was surprised by that article as well. I just assuming that all the thieves were thugs or gangbangers.
Funny story...Governor Newsome was in a Target store in Sacramento and witnessed thieves walking out with a shopping cart of merchandise. He told the store clerk "aren't you going to go after those thieves" and they replied "the Governor said anything less $900 is free". He was furious and said "I AM THE GOVERNOR and you are mistaken about the law".
Actually the law says non-violent criminals who steal less than $900 (only a misdemeanor offense) are eligible for "catch & release". The reason they have "catch & release" because it is unfair to poor people who can't afford to pay bail (otherwise even if you were innocent and have to remain in prison until your trial). Honestly, I think they should repeal this "catch & release" law. The same people are robbing people over and over again (they are catching about 100 every day and charging them with "felony conspiracy" because they work in groups). Police have recovered millions of dollars in stolen merchandise.
Thief is so bad that many business in California have permanently closed. Other business don't allow you to pay with cash anymore.
bonjourami
OP2 years agoI remember that story about Newsome. Theres also a poster in here that posted her story about a smash and grab attack when she was in a store. It was terrifying, and the clerks just froze.Who could blame them?
1786davycrockett
·2 years ago@bonjourami
"Theres also a poster in here that posted her story about a smash and grab attack when she was in a store. It was terrifying, and the clerks just froze.Who could blame them?"
About 15 years ago, a shoplifter in the "big-box" book store where I was then employed, set off the security alarms in the movie and music section, in which I was the Lead Person. I yelled at him to stop (which of course he ignored); and I hurriedly ran after him, as he threaded his way through the meandering aisles within the store.
As soon as he exited the front of the building, he took off across the parking lot -- and I took off right behind him -- 60+ years old and definitely out-of-condition, plus a previous 3 pack a day smoker. He couldn't find his "pick up" partner (that guy had exited through another exit, after seeing me taking off after his "leg-man"), and he ran up and down, back and forth, across the parking lot, with me barking "Stop! Thief!" behind him.
Finally, a driver in a car realized what was happening, and swung open his car door, just as the thief was running in front of the car. The thief bounced backwards, and fell to the ground, and the driver just stood above him, and yelled "Stay down!"
The driver and I both took him back inside the store (one in front, and one behind), and handed the thief over to security, who had called the police. The police took the thief into custody, and probably added another line to his rap sheet.
As for me: I was called into the manager's office, and given a very stern warning regarding the chain's policy regarding shoplifters, and how I had violated that policy, and had placed both myself and others at risk of personal liability, and possible threat of harm from the thief, and why the store would not have protected me from liability had the thief intended to sue, etc, etc, etc -- and my actions were formally documented in the form of a written reprimand and added to my personnel file.
And then the Assistant Store Manager who had chewed me out handed me a $25.00 gift card, smiled, and said "You shouldn't have done that, and don't do it again. But thank you."
bonjourami
OP2 years agoOmg..you're brave!
1786davycrockett
·2 years ago@bonjourami
"Omg..you're brave!"
No.
I was angry -- that happened on MY watch.
gone.c-33
·2 years agoHer case isn’t unusual. Hopefully this will help change your bias.
dqdistribution
·2 years agoCalifornia is just a sad state.
The problem is systemic, and needs to be addressed.
People running in and stealing things running out. Can't try and stop them, if you do you can get in trouble for assault.
You just wave.
tools*
·2 years agoIt's ironic that it was reported by Fox News, as she's their base.
chariot_badges
·2 years agoIronic?
Fox News viewers are "law and order" types.
They don't like to see people burning stores because a cop killed someone.
They don't like woke cho-mo's trying to convince little boys to 'cut it off'.
That's all the progressive communists.
YOU know.
tobaccocardyahoo
·2 years agoAmazon is far more restrictive about who can sell many brands and types of item than Ebay, Amazon does not accept retail receipts, for example.
These headlines are usually about sellers who had legitimate accounts at some time, who branched out into criminality.
Ebay has only recently adopted some of Amazon's protective policies. They, too, are unlikely to quickly catch other than new criminal sellers.
bonjourami
OP2 years ago"These headlines are usually about sellers who had legitimate accounts at some time, who branched out into criminality."
Idk, but if an Amazon seller with an established account suddenly began listing hundreds of designer items, that wouldnt put them on Amazons radar? It certainly does here. You see all these complaints in here from long time sellers who have listed a pricey item or two, and their funds are held, and proof of purchase demanded.
tobaccocardyahoo
·2 years agoIn order to list those items, an Amazon seller would need to have been pre-approved for the brand or the category. Approval requires wholesale invoices for items to be listed, If only category approval was required, they could branch out to other brands. If brand approval was required, they will need wholesale invoices from the manufacturer or authorized wholesale distributor.
Obviously, once approved they could fence product until they were caught.
If there is an indication of a problem, sellers are asked for wholesale invoices to support 6 months or a year's sales.
I have offered 1930's sales brochures on Amazon for Electrolux. Had them taken down. Was told I needed wholesale invoices and Electrolux approval to sell them.
Amazon is a much bigger PITA than Ebay. And Amazon takes down an enormous number of listings because of their actions. Amazon usually responds to this sort of negative PR with an enormous count of listings they have closed and seller accounts which have been closed. As big as this ring appears to be, it has moved a tiny portion of sales of these products on Amazon.
As big as Ebay feels, it is low volume compared to Amazon and Walmart online. And it is even smaller than Target.
bonjourami
OP2 years agoTrue,Ive heard those stories about Amazon..
stuff4divas
·2 years ago@tobaccocardyahoo according to the article, she was selling on Amazon Marketplace. Don't know if it is as restrictive as Amazon dot com. Never sold on either.
tobaccocardyahoo
·2 years agoAmazon marketplace is Amazon.com. Products are sold and fulfilled by Amazon or by marketplace sellers - sold by the sellers and either fulfilled by the seller or by Amazon. This crook was apparently fulfilling her own orders, like Ebay sellers do.
It is increasingly restrictive which is why many sellers who left Ebay for Amazon are back on Ebay.
Neither Amazon nor Ebay is a place that sellers love, but many sellers can figure out where they make more money.
lakefor94
·2 years agoTrue that AMZ is much more restrictive than ebay. eBay is trying, so to speak but always several years behind AMZ in every aspect. A seller can add just about any product on eBay and it goes live in a matter of minutes. AMZ is a whole different story. So many brands are restricted and you have to jump thru hoops to list.
When I crosslist, I can maybe get up 25% on AMZ as compared to eBay without having to jump thru hoops and many items are virtually impossible for me to list on AMZ.
Even if some of these sellers get taken down and AMZ accounts deleted, they know how to open more accounts. It is certainly not rocket science especially in their organized environments whether they be here in the states or elsewhere.
isaiah53-57
·2 years agoYup the smoke & mirror and groundless information is heavy on these boards - From many articles I have read, Amazon has long ago cracked down on people who return too much - They are able due the HUGE market share they have maintained - Here? - I think they need every(or maybe any) buyer they can get.
isaiah53-57
·2 years agoHey I wonder if she was selling some of this on ebay too? If so, we likely wouldnt know as the amount she sold probably wouldn't have been worth mentioning.
susanb1872
·2 years agoI live in upstate NY and last week a woman was arrested for stealing $34,000 from Ulta over 3 months. Maybe she was part of that ring. LOL
bonjourami
OP2 years agoCould have been, the ring was huge.I think Amazon has egg on their face with this fiasco.
1786davycrockett
·2 years ago@susanb1872
Oh-oh -- the Rose Singer Center is on Riker's Island.
Cue the theme song music for "Law & Order."
chapeau-noir
·2 years agoToo bad that obviously brilliant woman didn't put her considerable talents to use in some honest business enterprise, but that's not as *fun* as this.
Well, now she and her friends are going to have some REAL fun. Geez - I hope she didn't bring those little kids into it as office help.
1786davycrockett
·2 years ago@bonjourami
@chapeau-noir
Oh, well -- at least the California Institution for Woman in Chino has a great view -- nothing, really. . ..
bonjourami
OP2 years agoI guess what boggles the mind is Amazon never questioning these designer items she sold by the hundreds..for over ten years!
1786davycrockett
·2 years ago@bonjourami
"I guess what boggles the mind is Amazon never questioning these designer items she sold by the hundreds..for over ten years!"
So long as Amazon is making $$$, what's to question?
bonjourami
OP2 years ago"So long as Amazon is making $$$, what's to question?"
Obviously.
dbfolks166mt
·2 years ago"I guess what boggles the mind is Amazon never questioning these designer items she sold by the hundreds..for over ten years!"
So long as Amazon is making $$$, what's to question?
Difficult to say what role Amazon played in the investigation or if in fact they were the first to bring it to the attention of law enforcement. As you look at most of these types of crimes the timeline does not surprise me at all it often takes years to investigate, collect data and establish a solid basis for a case. It will probably take another 2 years to prosecute this one if it ever goes to trial. Then of course you have the potential civil suits to add to that.
1786davycrockett
·2 years ago@bonjourami
Not exactly a great role model for those children, are they?
tinsoldierunderground
·2 years agoGreat post! I hope all the amazon cheerleaders who come on these boards read it!!