Seller disclosures - GPSR (EU) or EPR (FR) regulation
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Soon the GPSR will take effect within the EU. Is it possible for eBay to make examples to help sellers? Is the page for Seller Disclosures the place to do this? So far I've not seen seller use these?
19 comments
steady2304
·1 year agoMy biggest concern is how is eBay going to keep EU buyers from using freight forwarder's to bypass sellers who won't ship to the EU due to all the new regulations and information needed by GPSR. Will sellers be able to cancel these sales without any dings to their metrics.? Will the freight forwarders be responsible for complying with the EU GPSR?
I don't worry about how EIS will do it as I do not use it due to all the restrictions EIS imposes on the items I used to be able to sell to the UK. eBay has basically shut down the Toys & Games category completely.
The EU is slowly going to strangle itself with all the over-regulation by the bureaucrat's.
tobaccocardyahoo
·1 year agoI have no concerns about shipments to freight forwarders.
When one ships to the freight forwarder, a seller is NOT THE EXPORTER OF RECORD. The shipment is seized or returned when it reaches the destination country, that is the problem of the buyer or the freight forwarder. Ebay policy already says the seller responsibility ends when the item is received at the freight forwarder. This might get Ebay to consistently enforce the existing policy.
Over regulation is the EU's reason d'etre, especially when applied to imports from the US, the goal is to cut them all off.
vacheron_nl
OP1 year agoThe topic was recently discussed on the eBay Podcast:
The eBay for Business Podcast , 17 september with all relevant links.
ckimodog
·2 years ago@vacheron_nl
This is a US community discussion forum. What applies in your country may not apply here in the US or other countries. You may be better served by logging out of ebay.com and logging back into ebay.com/uk or ebay.com/de Here's a community forum link that may be helpful:
http://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Discussion/ct-p/13
Good luck getting the help and advice you need.
Thank you for the post all the same.
ittybitnot
·2 years agoThis is a US community discussion forum.
@ckimodog
As mentioned to another poster that suggested the OP go to another forum, this is a very important topic to YOU since you ship internationally. See the links provided in message #5.
vacheron_nl
OP2 years agoThe UK though is no longer part of the EU; the mentioned regulations in my topic apply only for them if they sell to an EU customer.
ittybitnot
·2 years ago@vacheron_nl
The only information eBay has provided to US sellers that I can find regarding the new upcoming requirements to sell to the EU has been as follows:
https://community.ebay.com/t5/2024-Summer-Seller-Update/Get-ready-for-the-EU-General-Product-Safety-...
https://www.ebay.com/sellercenter/resources/general-product-safety-regulation
If I remember correctly, an update, or even possibly a solution was promised for July. July is almost over, and I have seen nothing else as of yet. The mandates/requirements begin in December 2024.
As many of those requirements appear impossible to meet in order to sell to EU countries the logical thing would be for non-EU to simply not ship there anymore. US seller do indeed need more information to prepare as well as those that are in the EU as well.
klhmdg
·2 years agoYou should post this on a EU eBay board or on eBay.fr where one of your links is from.
This is .com (US) eBay forum and is buyers and sellers mostly in the US.
eBay will not see your post.
vacheron_nl
OP2 years agoIndeed, all US sellers, or those who list their items on eBay.com and sell to the EU, will be impacted. This is a pertinent issue for eBay.com, considering they provide Seller Disclosures help pages.
It would be beneficial if eBay provided examples and highlighted the differences between return policies, seller disclosures, and related matters.
ittybitnot
·2 years agoIt would be beneficial if eBay provided examples and highlighted the differences between return policies, seller disclosures, and related matters.
@vacheron_nl
As a seller I would not even be able to comply with the first two things on the eBay "short list":
*The product manufacturer's name and contact information
*If the manufacturer isn’t located in the EU or NI, you’ll have to indicate an EU or NI-based Responsible Person or entity, along with their name and contact details
Though not really a laughing matter, I can see a new industry popping up i.e. responsiblepersondotcom
for a yearly fee just in case you get an order from the EU.
ittybitnot
·2 years agoYou should post this on a EU eBay board.....
@klhmdg
Actually, since you do ship internationally, this topic likely is going to be rather important to you quite soon.
https://community.ebay.com/t5/2024-Summer-Seller-Update/Get-ready-for-the-EU-General-Product-Safety-...
https://www.ebay.com/sellercenter/resources/general-product-safety-regulation
klhmdg
·2 years ago@ittybitnot
If I’m a seller located in the US and selling domestically, does the GPSR apply to me?
the General Product Safety Regulation only applies to products sold in the European Union (EU) and Northern Ireland (NI).
I do not personally sell or ship international and will not.
This is 1 reason I use EIS.
Im sure these new requirements will have many US sellers going to EIS or not shipping to the EU.
ittybitnot
·2 years agoThis is 1 reason I use EIS.
@klhmdg
There is no indication that "EIS" or eBay is going to take care of this other than simply not showing your products in the EU for which you do not demonstrate compliance. That is likely why eBay posted this statement:
We’ll notify you in July when you can start updating this information to your listings. In the meantime, we recommend that you start collecting this information so you’ll be ready to comply with the regulation once it goes into effect.
Now I do understand eBay/EIS took care of that one that required you sign up/register and pay for some feature/mandate for Germany and their requirement regarding the amount of "packing material" you sent to Germany or whatever, but this appears it is going to be quite different.
I could be wrong, and maybe eBay will supply you with a contact name and number for a manufacturer that no longer exists, the address for a jewelry designer that is deceased, as well as a "responsible" entity in the EU as required.
klhmdg
·2 years ago@ittybitnot Im not trying to argue with you so we will say you are right!
I will not be supplying this information.
As a US seller I will not be jumping through hoops to sell to the countries that require this.
As it says -
only applies to products sold in the European Union (EU) and Northern Ireland (NI).
I sell in the US. I do not sell in the EU.
eBay and EIS will need to have a way to not sell these items that dont comply to a foreign countries requirement.
But it will not affect me.
The OP is not in the US and will have different issues then we will in the US.
That is why I suggested they ask on a different eBay site.
Have a nice day!
ittybitnot
·2 years agoI sell in the US. I do not sell in the EU.
@klhmdg
With EIS you sell TO the EU. Worst case I see would be that eBay simply won't show your products in the EU, and/or not allow members in the EU to purchase them like the numerous UK blocks we have seen of late.
There are quite a few countries and seeming a lot of business eBay will have to give up unless they find a way to make EIS users exempt.
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain and Sweden.
At any rate, the mandate does not take effect until the middle of December at which point we will find out.
I agree as you said that as a seller in general "I would not be supplying this information". You won't have to if you only ship to the US, and don't use EIS. You could still ship to US freight forwarders, but eBay never considered the GPS to be a freight forwarder, nor EIS.
ittybitnot
·2 years agoIm not trying to argue with you .....
@klhmdg
I understand that, no worries.
I also know that shipping via EIS has been a good thing for sellers. eBay indeed has performed well with their program in protecting sellers way beyond what is offered even for domestic sales. They have even allowed sellers to keep their funds when it turns out an item cannot be shipped to the buyer on occasion. If an item is seized in customs (i.e. never delivered to the buyer), eBay has still taken the hit.
Unfortunately, it appears that eBay may no longer be willing to be so generous. It has been demonstrated with the UK and EIS issues of late. eBay's answer for this has been "not to let the buyer pay" and throw up a message saying that "the seller does not ship to the UK." Not only is that message not conveying the actual truth, but it can cause other issues as well. An example of that can be found here:
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/International-shipping/td-p/34584037
eBay/EIS is not going to be willing to accept packages that they are going to be saddled with disposing of, while allowing the seller to keep the proceeds, and refunding the buyer as well because they can't be sent. They are certainly not going to allow parcels to actually leave the country that are likely to be seized in customs for non-compliance, and still have to refund the buyer, and let the seller keep the sale proceeds.
Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think shipping via EIS is going to exempt sellers from these requirements. Unless eBay becomes more creative in the next couple of months, they will continue to "block the customer from paying" and tell them that you don't ship there even when you have no exclusions per se. The "you are shipping to a US address" as an incentive to use the EIS is not very likely to apply with the new upcoming requirements.
Just a heads up. Nothing more.
klhmdg
·2 years ago@ittybitnot - to not try and beat a dead horse -
I as a seller will not put these items in my listings.
I as a US seller do not ship to other countries.
I went to EIS because of all the issues. Then Germany started the whole packaging thing.
This is just another issue.
I never said EIS will ship to the EU and not have the info. I never said it will exempt sellers.
There are many items they wont ship EIS - like used clothing to Mexico.
Back to the point - This will affect seller that ship to the EU and are in those countries way more than any US seller.
Most US sellers will not ship outside the US. Too many issues.
If a seller, who is not listed as a US seller, wants to know what will be required, they should probably ask on an EU board.
The OPs original link was from eBay.fr
Can you let it go now?
tobaccocardyahoo
·2 years agoSince I did not export prior to EIS and found the export sales through EIS to be a nice bonus. I can honestly say, blocking my sales to the EU means EIS and Ebay are handling this problem for me.
The number of sales to the EU is not very important to me, just as purchases from the EU other than the brioche bread at my supermarket are not important to me.