Promoted Listings ebay message
hello
I received a message from ebay, I don't know if it came to me alone or to everyone.
Does that mean that you can't add more promoted lists by paying a few dollars like I do now?
the message says this
Soon you’ll be able to use Promoted Listings Standard for your auction and fixed price items
Starting April 15, 2024, Promoted Listings Express will no longer be available. Instead, you’ll be able to promote auction and fixed price listings using one of our other products, Promoted Listings Standard. This high-performing advertising solution has many great features that will help you create more impactful campaigns.
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Only pay for sales. Instead of paying up front, you’ll only pay when you make a sale on an auction or fixed price item.
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Simple setup. Get started in just a few clicks.
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Reach more buyers. Stand out from the crowd with listings in prominent ad placements.
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Powerful results. Use reports to monitor your performance and optimize your listings.
bigg46360
·1 year agoIt seems like the more people that promote their items the results are the same as non promoted items. The field becomes way too crowded once again. eBay always has a new gimmick through campaigns or whatever that takes up more of the seller's time. When sellers joined eBay they were told what their subscription fee would be. No one was told that they would continually be forced to pay more to get their items viewed. It seems like it would be more ethical for eBay to just give everyone Fair viewing and possibly curate certain categories. I have almost 500 items listed with zero sales lately. Ebay seems to forget that many sellers work hard to find items for resale. Unless you're from China. Resellers need to research and appraise, prepare, repair, clean, photograph, list items, pay for materials and pack items, store inventory, deliver items to the post office not to mention dealing with difficult customers. eBay sellers don't just sit at item I'm on a shelf and leave. I'm beginning to think it's worth it to pay more just to commission items in storefronts or have independent sales. It used to be a joy to sell on eBay but those days are over!
intuitive
·2 years agoDon't know if anyone's still following this thread, but here's the new normal. I had 4 ten-day auctions close, the first group for which I have used the new Promoted Listings standard. This morning I got my payout with the breakdown of the ad fees I paid.
With Promoted Listings Express, I would have paid $9.96 to have those four auctions promoted.
Using Promoted Listings Standard, the same 4 auctions cost me $41 and change.
gurlcat
·2 years agoI'm still very much interested in this topic.
The disparity in amounts is very concerning for sure, but it's important to know, what promotion rate (%) did you apply to those listings?
intuitive
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Slight correction: there were 5 auctions, so they would have cost me about $12.50 under PLE. A few of them were listed at 3-3.5%, the other two at 5%. (eBay's "suggested rates" for these items ranged from 9.5% - 14+%.)
Four of the items closed between $200-$400. One of them below $100. The closing prices were okay, but they were no better or worse than I was getting with PLE. From my viewpoint, I am getting visibility similar to what I had with PLE, but I'm now paying much more for it.
gurlcat
·2 years agoAnd just to be clear, were ALL of them sold via promotion (none were organic)? I ask because so far in my experiments, even the ones I had promotions on, the winning bidders just didn't happen to have viewed the listings via promotion, so I wasn't charged. I've also run some with no promotion, and got pretty satisfying views/bids/winning bids purely organically.
I think it depends a lot on the items, and I realize how vague and not-useful that is.
intuitive
·2 years agoAccording to My eBay, five out of five were sold via Promoted Listings.
I dislike that we have no objective way to confirm that.
I wish I could experiment with non-Promoted vs. Promoted listings, but I invest a lot in my inventory and can't afford to take losses on trial and error.
gurlcat
·2 years agoAmen to that. You know, of all the things I see people coming to the Community to post about how eBay is surely going to face a lawsuit for, I'm really surprised ^THAT^ isn't one of them, or at least not from what I've seen. All the ways sellers feel they're being shafted, even when I agree, it's stuff that's spelled out in eBay policies. And even when the spelling out is "because it's our playground" .... the law tends to side with that, so no point grumbling about it, either suck it up or go to a different playground. But promotions .... I don't know. I don't know because the opacity is just that thick.
It's funny because I'm watching Mad Men for the 3rd or 4th time. In the 11th episode, the woman Peggy is on a date with a truck driver, and he says advertising doesn't work on him. She replies, "If advertising is good, people think it doesn't work." And he says, "How do they know it does? Did they ever prove that?"
That's the thing -even though the effectiveness of any kind of promotion is basically impossible to calculate with real accuracy, the extent to which it is determinable -THAT is determined by the merchant, the entity paying for it, by looking at their own numbers. And that was basically what we got with PLE, a chance to pay for promotion up-front, see our listing visibility increased, and see that it was worth paying for because we got more views and higher bids that correlated with it.
But PLS is a whole other animal. To my knowledge there is not any other scenario where it's the advertiser who determines whether or not it worked, and tells the merchant after the fact. Imagine the ad company charging or not charging Ford by the individual car sale, based on whether or not the buyer saw their ad on TV. Never mind how they know that. And never mind whether seeing it was what made the buyer buy.
But it's even weirder than that here. Because eBay isn't just making a commercial; they are the TV station that it airs on. So they not only can show your items "extra" often than normal if you pay them to; they can show them LESS often than normal, for whatever reason they want, including for the goal of making you panic about your sales and buying promotion out of desperation.
I don't know, maybe what they're doing is not as unique as I think it is, but I have yet to see anything remotely like it, and I just keep feeling like someday a pile of horrid stink is going to be revealed about this particular revenue generator.
intuitive
·2 years agogurlcat
·2 years agoUpdate: @valueaddedresource @my-cottage-books-and-antiques
So, yes, it appears that PLS promotion CAN be added, raised, lowered, or ended after the start of the auction. Once I get a bid I will check to see if that changes anything. If not I won't make another post about it, but if so I will because that would be a distinction worth noting I think.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat Thanks for the update. Sounds like auction sellers might end up doing some changes here and there during the course of the auction, in an effort to try to control costs?
gurlcat
·2 years agoI don't know about other auction sellers but this one's babydaddy hasn't paid child support in 5 consecutive weeks, now school's out so there's breakfast and lunch added to my kid's daily needs, so this is not a good time for seller costs to rise.
I started 3 auctions tonight. The first one (therefore the first to close next Sunday) is promoted at 7.1%. By the way I still don't really understand what the heck a "campaign" is; I've been on the same one the whole time and just set a percent for each item according to how much traction I think it could get just from keywords. The other two auctions are at 0%. May add promotion later, depends on how much their views appear to suffer in relation to the first one.
But this photo in the first one might tip the scale. The gloves are off. MAMA GOTTA FEED THE KID.
intuitive
·2 years ago@gurlcat
I've had a few auctions finish with Promoted Listings Standard. The results so far have been nothing like I enjoyed with PLE.
We can't know what rate of visibility we had with Promoted Listings Express. All we have to guide us now is our fear of not getting similar visibility with Promoted Listings Standard. eBay fuels that fear -- and actually encourages it -- with the exorbitant "Suggested Rate", followed by a warning to the effect "you may not get adequate exposure if you specify a low rate" that appears if you choose anything below 5%.
I have been listing with PLS at 3-5% and have already noticed a significant decrease in views, watchers and bids. It's very upsetting to know that I paid just $2.49 four weeks ago and got very satisfactory visibility and very satisfying sales, but now eBay is passively-aggressively pressuring me to commit an additional 10-15% of my sale (for a total of 30% commission or more) to get back to where I was a month ago.
PLS is supposed to be an option. If I'm using it at 3-5% and still seeing a steep drop-off in visibility, what kind of diminished visibility are you stuck with if you don't add PLS at all?
If you're reading this, eBay, I can't afford to give you any more money from my sales. I don't know how restricting my exposure in the listings is helping your bottom line, because as my sales drop so does your cut. I suspect replacing Promoted Listings Express with Promoted Listings Standard seemed like a clever idea to one of your executives who has never tried to earn a living selling on this site, but to me, a high-volume seller who has been selling here for more than 25 years, this feels like a betrayal and potentially a mortal blow to my business.
What sounds good in theory doesn't necessarily always pan out in practice. Please give serious consideration to restoring Promoted Listings Express for auctions.
he-726288
·2 years agoGot charged $13+ ad fee for an auction that ended with one bid and minimum price after a week listed and advertised at the suggested rate.
As I said already... I have listed my last auction.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@he-726288 Sad.
Another ebay screw up. PLE obviously was working fine for some sellers, but evidently ebay decided they need a bigger cut. They just keep increasing the take rate here....so much easier than actually increasing GMV.
gurlcat
·2 years agoHow many views did it get? -That's really the important factor, disappointing as a single bid may be.
gurlcat
·2 years agoOMG you're an aquarist! -Mind if I pick your brain a minute? I used to sell fish and inverts on Aquabid, and as you may or may not know, they are an eBay-like platform, totally free (donations only) but also totally 'Wild West' as far as no protection for either sellers or buyers. well it's possible to lose your account, but the mere few people running the site definitely don't get involved with individual issues of who-ripped-off-who.
Mind you, all of the above was how it was when I last sold there, late 2018 or maybe early 2019.
I feel like you probably are familiar with it, as your live arrival guarantee is so similar to most people's there. What I always wonder is, how is it possible to really expect buyers to honor your LAG on eBay, where (I assume) even live fish are subject to INAD's, like if someone's fish die after a few days because their husbandry is awful ..... couldn't they just file an INAD then, or any day up to 30 after delivery?
he-726288
·2 years agoI've had to pay off a few claims that were obviously beyond my guarantee guidelines. eBay does so little to protect sellers. But at least there is a claim resolution format of some sort. Most buyers respect the policy.... some obviously won't.
The aquabid format left too many variables I was uncomfortable with. I considered using it several times, but never really saw benefit, as there really don't appear to be many actual sales generated by others.
Very few sites allow the sale of Live fish... so I am essentially limited to one outlet. The possibility of a self run e-commerce site is viable, but requires me to do the leg work of social media advertising I have so far resisted. The problem is... everyone is in the same boat... funneling all sellers here... creating tons of competition for every sale.
In most respects, eBay does offer me the platform requirements I really need. I just get infinitely frustrated to watch their fee structure continue to climb, and my margin slip lower.
It is particularly frustrating to watch as each new fee adaptation they go through seems to be less effective for higher costs.
I seem to be working harder just not to lose ground... and grateful for any small step forward at this point. I continue to grow... but so literally at a snail's pace now, it is painful. Watching eBay's profits from my efforts grow at a faster pace than my own bottom line each year feels like a slap in the face, particularly as you point out because they offer such limited protections.
I started selling online at the onset of Covid. I don't see any other better options at this time. So... I suck it up and fill boxes every day... just hoping I can break this cycle and reach a living wage soon.
he-726288
·2 years agoLet's talk REALITY and RESULTS.
Before the change... I offered an auction and was charged $2.86 fee to advertise.
The listing sold for over triple the starting bid, with 20+ bids and 6 different bidders.
After the change... I offered THE EXACT SAME ITEM at auction. I advertised at the full suggested percentage.
The listing sold for less than double the starting bid, with only 3 bids from 2 unique bidders.
I was charged $4.80 ad fee.
I have listed my last auctions.
midcenturybuys
·2 years agoNow that this went live I see it’s just about EBay gaining more fees … another way to bleed the sellers… before I paid $1.99 to promote an auction listing that could sell for whatever amount… now it’s percentage based on final sales price. eBay suggested ad rate is usually over 10%… so in effect taking eBay’s 15% sellers fees to 25% … we are now at brick and mortar auction house fee level!!
intuitive
·2 years ago@midcenturybuys
You are right, this will cost auction sellers more. eBay promotes it as "we listened to you and made the changes you want" (as they always claim when making unpopular changes). The advantage, supposedly, is that you only have to pay the promotional fee if your item sells.
I've been running eBay auctions for 25 years. Literally thousands of auctions. I can count on one hand how many times an item of mine has not sold. In my experience, items don't sell because 1) it's an item few people want, 2) the item is broken or otherwise damaged, 3) bad pictures and two-line descriptions, or the primary reason, 4) the starting price is so high it looks more like a final bid than a first bid.
Promoted Listings Express worked very well for me. A flat fee and everybody who used it got an equal degree of exposure. I was very satisfied. Did eBay ask me how I liked Promoted Listings Express? No, instead they supposedly "listened" to sellers who fail to sell their items at auction (for the reasons above), rather than a successful seller who was adding Promoted Listing Express to every auction AND bringing in great sales and high final value fees.
I like eBay a lot, I really do. But sometimes they do things, like this, that are very discouraging.
gurlcat
·2 years agoYeah their defense rhetoric about it on the publication insinuated that sellers didn't like having to pay a fee up-front, with no certainty that the item would sell. I don't think they actually did any kind of survey, but it has a ring of a logical argument. And framed that way, sure, there would be certain kinds of sellers who would not like PLE. -Like ones who auction items that fetch less than $10 or whatever, then a $1.99 would be a steep cost for promotion. That's 20%, so I can understand why they would prefer PLS where they could apply as little as 2%. Likewise, someone offering an item that they have a high expectation of value but no certainty that it would get even one bid if they set the starting bid at that high dollar amount, then it would suck to have paid $1.99 for nothing.
But BOTH of those items should be BIN's instead of auctions anyway. In other words, PLE could only hurt sellers who didn't know what they're doing. For those who do, it was awesome. And the thing is, I WOULD say eBay probably killed this because they observed it giving good auctions a big boost in winning bid amounts while they fetched only $1.99 regardless of how much the seller made .... but that would be a foolish assessment because let's not forget, auctions get the same FVF applied as a sold BIN, so higher bids meant more money for eBay in THAT regard!
gurlcat
·2 years ago@mcdougle4248
@intuitive
I might start an auction or two tonight, not sure. But since you two already have some up and promoted, I'm very curious about one particular thing: does it appear that you can change the rate or end it completely if you wanted to?
One of the things we were speculating about earlier in this thread is if PLS is as malleable for auctions as it is for BIN's, then there might be some advantage to manipulating it over the course of the 7 days.
mcdougle4248
·2 years ago@gurlcat
In my experience with BIN listings when a Fixed Rate is selected you can change the rate, remove the listing from the campaign, or end the campaign entirely.
This morning I added the new auctions to an existing PLS Dynamic Rate campaign and it appears that the only option is to remove the listing from the campaign.
Give me a few minutes and I will test out moving one of my auctions from a Dynamic Rate campaign to a Fixed Rate campaign and let you know what I see.
gurlcat
·2 years agoThank you.
Also did you see my other question (message #82)?
mcdougle4248
·2 years agoI successfully moved one of my auctions to a new Fixed Rate campaign. The answer to your question is yes, you can change the ad rate, remove the listing from the campaign, or end the campaign.
gurlcat
·2 years agoAlright, well at least there's one bit of good news to come out of this crock.
I feel like there's got to be a way to use this to one's advantage, but it's tricky obviously because the goal is to maximize visibility but not have the winning bidder come from a "promoted view".
Setting aside the specific % for just a moment, and thinking purely in a 'on' vs. 'off' mode .... I wonder if it would be better to have promotion on early but then removed later, or vice-versa. I can see reason for both.
Here's an idea, though it would take some time. -Look at bid histories of past auctions and see how many were won by people who had bid back in the early days versus how many didn't bid until toward the end. Ugh, but then again even if they didn't bid til the end, it doesn't mean they didn't SEE (and maybe watch) the auction from an early date.
mcdougle4248
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Yes, it could be tricky for you.
I do not run auctions too often. I mostly run them when BIN sales are slow. For whatever reason running some auctions kick up my BIN sales. I never used PLE because it was too expensive for my low priced items. So, this whole promoting auctions is totally new for me.
Testing to see what works might be the way to go.
intuitive
·2 years ago@gurlcat
@mcdougle4248
Adding to the pool of anecdotal results:
I sold an item last week for nearly $400. It had 889 views at the time of closing, with more than 50 watchers.
The next day, the winner contacted me with a flimsy excuse about not being able to pay. I had to cancel the transaction and start over.
I relisted the item several days after the 15th, so neither PLE or PLS was available, although I didn't know PLS wouldn't be available at the time. I thought I would merely have to add my scheduled listing, then, after the auction began, go to my Active Listings page and click the "Promote Your Listing" button, just as I had always done with PLE. Imagine how thrilled I was to discover no promotional tools were available to me.
I left the auction running but noticed that it wasn't getting even a fraction of the views it got with PLE. It's still running now, 5 days in, 5 to go, and it has only 55 views. I added PLS to it this morning at a rate of 5% (more than I would normally would but I hoped it would help to make up the shortfall in views) and it has made no difference at all. My auction that finished with 889 views last week, with more than 50 watchers, currently has 55 views and only 6 watchers. The current bid isn't even half of the previous closing price.
How does this make business sense for eBay? Torpedoing my sales so I make LESS money and in turn eBay makes LESS money? In Bizarro World, maybe.
gurlcat
·2 years agoTry to do a search (not logged in as your seller self, and better yet use a different browser than you do when on the platform as a seller) like enter keywords that aren't too similar to the item's title but similar enough that the engine should recognize the title as a good example .... click on some of the other result listings, scroll down those pages, and see if your item gets spots in any of those "candy shelf" modules (IDK what they're really called but they remind me of the racks of candy, lip balm, ear buds, etc that are at grocery store checkouts, LOL). -Don't expect to see your listing on every page, but you definitely should be seeing it in some.
gurlcat
·2 years ago@valueaddedresource
@intuitive is right -there's no PLS available yet today, for new auctions. Color me shocked. 🤣
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Yep. ebay adhering to a schedule seems to be less and less possible.
And keeping us informed about any schedule changes?
Even less likely.
mcdougle4248
·2 years ago@gurlcat
@intuitive
The ten auctions that I launched earlier this morning just showed up as eligible to promote and I was able to successfully add them to a current active PLS campaign.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@mcdougle4248
Thanks for that update. Happy to see they managed to stay on schedule with this. (Of course, the Ads Team seems to be ebay's top priority team, so I guess it makes sense)
gurlcat
·2 years agoThat's crazy, just an hour and a half ago when I checked (noon, Central time), there was no available promotion. But you say you were able to promote this morning? Must be a fast-gradual rollout. @intuitive do you see PLS available to you yet?
Here's something interesting. The suggested ad rate for vintage jewelry > collections and lots is lower than I've seen in years, for a BIN listing anyway. So I played around with other categories, even really saturated ones like clothes, and none of them were over 9%. I can't even begin to guess what that's about.
mcdougle4248
·2 years ago@gurlcat
I launched the auctions at about 8:50 this morning. At the time of listing, PLS was not available. I did not get back to my computer until about 10:30 and I noticed they were eligible to be promoted on my active listing page. So, I just went to my active PLS campaign and added them without issues.
I use Dynamic rates with caps for my PLS campaigns. I also noticed a drop in suggested rates today. Heck, one listing dropped from 11% yesterday to 3.6% today. Just taking a quick look most of my listings suggested ad rates have dropped 3% - 4% today.
gurlcat
·2 years agoHang on, when you say most of your listings' SAR dropped today, do you mean including BIN listings? Mine are all still at their double-digit numbers. I don't use Dynamic though.
mcdougle4248
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Yes, all of my BIN listing's SAR dropped 3% - 4% today. SAR for the majority of my listings were hovering around 13%, with a few up to 16%. Now most listing's suggested ad rates are 9%. There a still two listing's with 16% SAR and 2 listings's SAR under 5%.
intuitive
·2 years ago@gurlcat
@mcdougle4248
@my-cottage-books-and-antiques
PLS is now available for auctions. I was able to add Promoted Listings to my auctions that were already active.
It seems wrong to feel relieved about the availability of a program I don't want.
I added PLS to a number of auctions which under the previous PLE pricing would have cost me about $30. Based on how I expect these auctions to perform, I estimate the price of PLS will come out to $70-$100. It's either pay more for Promoted Listings (much more, IMO) or settle for diminished views/returns.
What I would like to know but doubt I can get an answer, is what PLS rate/percentage is equivalent to the exposure we all received under PLE for $1.99/$2.49?
gurlcat
·2 years agoThat's the million dollar question. Also does apparent popularity of an auction (views/watchers/bids) increase its' visibility? And is the Hot Auction badge really gone?
intuitive
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Even if eBay were to disclose the PLS rate that is equivalent to PLE exposure, I'm not sure I would put much faith in it. The eBay Ad Team is in the business of increasing the company's share of our sales. That reality, along with the ever-escalating "suggested" rates, undermines my confidence in the system. I'll use it out of necessity. But as I have mentioned before, when I started using PLS for Buy It Now listings, the suggested rates were 6-8%. Now I'm routinely being given suggested rates of 12-14% for BINs -- this on top of the 12-15% we already pay in standard final value fees. If I were to apply those suggested rates, eBay would get nearly 30% of my sale. What changed in the past year that the suggested rate should nearly double? How many newer sellers are automatically applying the suggested rate without fully understanding just how big a bite will be taken out of their sales?
When I added PLS to my auctions today, the suggested rate was 9.4% for every listing.
gurlcat
·2 years ago@valueaddedresource
@my-cottage-books-and-antiques
Results in. Not as grim as my wildest horror fantasies, but definitely significant in 'worseness.'
So as I said before, I purposely made the 2 non-promoted listings as similar as possible to the 2 previous PLE ones, since title and thumbnail would be the only kind of draw possible for clicks. Had I made these last 2 bigger lots and/or with bigger designer names, it would not be a legit comparison. I also ran both pairs Sunday-to-Sunday.
Here are the PLE promoted ones that ended last Sunday (4/21). Funny enough, they're actually a pretty good illustration of how a lot more views and bidders does not necessarily mean a much higher winning bid, in fact there's a $5 inverse relationship here.
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And here are the ones that ended tonight (4/28). Compared to the 2 above, I think these illustrate that view numbers and bidder numbers do matter, even if they're not the be-all-end-all.
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And not to toot my own horn .... okay I'll toot ..... I've gotten very good at making attractive mixed lots for auctions, as far as what collectors and other resellers are looking for. And apparently I have a following of buyers -no idea if any of them get notifications when I post a new auction, but I reckon it's helpful somehow. What I'm trying to say is, as not-horrific as these unpromoted ones did, it's probably due to my titles, thumbnails, and maybe followers. I did a search last night of 'vintage jewelry lot' and refined by auctions only .... and oh my god was it a bleak scene, SO many closing with no bids, or much lower bids than they really should fetch. I was pretty tempted to use some of my Paypal credit to snap some of them up. And it's still tempting. I already have so much inventory that just needs listing, but I know .... I am missing out on crazy good things for crazy cheap, and so is every buyer who isn't seeing many auctions while they're less visible than promoted BIN's.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat Well, the results might have been higher with PLE, but it looks like you did pretty well regardless. I'm not sure PLS will really be necessary, but you could always experiment with it, starting with 2% and working up. Or just continue to list without PL. Maybe set a specific time to list the auction lots (you can always schedule them) and send out a weekly newsletter reminding your followers, etc, that new lots go up every Sunday night at 8PM PST or whatever....I don't know how effective newsletters are, but for something like this, they might be at least a partial substitute for PLE.
I think the key is---you ARE good at figuring out the right mix for the lot, the right starting price, good photos etc. And yes, you appear to have a following. Maybe even put something in the description field encouraging people to follow you so that they can get the weekly newsletter with auction updates?
Anyway, best of luck, however you choose to handle this ebay change.
gurlcat
·2 years agoWelp, only 2 days left on these 2 non-promoted auctions. And it is looking soooooo bleak. Anybody else might look at the views/watchers/bids and say "well don't worry too much, there will probably be lots of last-minute bids." And I know that is possible, but it's just not how my auctions tend to go. For whatever reason I tend to get steady bids throughout all 7 days, and usually not a lot of fireworks at the end. Right now one has only a few bids ($3 higher than starting) and the other has NO bids. Ughhhh.....
intuitive
·2 years agoSo eBay nukes Promoted Listings Express on April 15 after announcing that we have to use Promoted Listings Standard from here on out. Then April 16 comes and ... GOTCHA! They don't have ANYTHING in place to allow us to promote our auctions. I called eBay and the representative was like "We know it's a problem and we're working on it." He said a lot about upgrades and technology and etcetera but when I pinned him down about exactly when we would be able to promote our listings again, he said "I don't know." Then he went back to talking about upgrades and opening a ticket and the "team will be in touch with me in 3-5 days." Yes, and the check is in the mail.
Meanwhile, my listed auctions are doing about 50% as well as they were when I was using Promoted Listings Express. Translation: I AM LOSING MONEY. They got about 60% of views (vs. PLE) on the first day, then went right over a cliff. Five or less views per day. Bids haven't budged in two days. My stuff is no longer featured in the promoted areas of the listing page, no more "Hot Auction" labels, nothing.
WHY did eBay eliminate the previous method of promotion BEFORE the new one was ready to go? This makes zero business sense. We're losing money, eBay is losing money.
At the very least bring back Promoted Listings Express until you work the bugs out of PLS! Or better yet, re-implement Promoted Listings Express and leave PLS for the Buy It Now listings.
gurlcat
·2 years agoRead messages 28, 29, 30 of this thread for that info. Supposedly we'll have PLS tomorrow. The gap was planned, not a bug. The CSR didn't know because they don't know anything. Almost any answer you could ever need, you are more likely to get here in the Community than by contacting CSR.
intuitive
·2 years agoIt was simple enough for eBay to mass-mail a notice that Promoted Listings Express would soon be extinct, but what about the 2-week gap? I gather you learned of it via the eBay AdBlog. That's the only mention of it I've seen (and I saw it only because it was cited here).
It's not like I'm a newbie -- I have been selling on eBay since the 1990s. I usually have a firm grasp of new developments (harkening all the way back to the legendary "Discuss Newest Features" board). I never would have listed my current auctions had I known of the two-week gap before I listed.
As for the big roll-out, it's already the 29th and there's no sign of auction promotions being available yet.
Sorry about your diminished auction views -- you're right, PLE did make a difference.
he-726288
·2 years agoSo... you ended an Express format for Auctions... and now want the auctions to compete with Buy It Now listings for ad space in each category... making it more expensive for EVERYONE and less chance of visibility for all.
Gotcha... great idea. I'm sure everyone will love it.
raindancerauctions
·2 years agoOnce again, eBay chooses greed over sellers and their best interest. It's as simple as that.
rjgfinejewelry
·2 years agoActually I think the new "Promoted Listing" format is ridiculous. I promoted listing before under this format and received no response, hits views etc. It was basically a waste. Plus sellers will raise prices to cover those fees plus the Final Value Fee's so everyone loses. The customer, the seller and Ebay. In the old days Ebay had a Promote Your listing thing, forgot what it was called and you spent extra $ in the beginning to get more views, if it sold no extra fees if it didnt you were out your listing fees and the extra fee. But you knew that going in and the buyer, seller and ebay all were happy. This new thing will kill sellers.
gurlcat
·2 years ago@valueaddedresource The thing with that provided example is, it only talks about promoted BIN clicks affecting promoted auctions, not the other way around. It would be a real miracle if it's ONLY like that example said, but I really doubt that will be the case. I think this thing is going to kick me in the nads and I don't even have nads.
valueaddedresource
·2 years ago@gurlcat that's a great point. Yeah, I would definitely assume it will go both ways, not only like in that example and in that case unfortunately I think your concerns about what that will mean for your business are likely valid.
gurlcat
·2 years agoI will definitely watch what happens like a hawk, document what I discover, experiment with strategies, and share my findings, bad or more-bad as they may be.
I'll tell you who I'm really sad for though: people who sell things with much tighter margins than mine. If I buy a necklace for $10 and sell it for $300, the difference between paying zero and paying $21 for promotion still isn't devastating. As it stands, I pay all my bills and have enough left over for sourcing more items and little pleasures here and there .... on a store that rarely has as many as 50 items listed at a time. I really am SPOI-ULLED, so this change will just mean I'll need to work a little harder and list more items per week than I currently do. Lord knows I have plenty of inventory just waiting. But all the people whose inventory costs more ....ugh. And all the ones who are already confused by auction v. BIN dynamics and promotion dynamics ....oh man I just want to pre-hug them for all the hurt on its' way.
And maybe that's the (rather messed up) silver lining for me; maybe people less-equipped than I will flail enough to give me a new kind of advantage. There's a Hebrew quote that has proven true for me so many times. ×¢× ×”×¦×¨×•×ª מגיעות ×”×”×–×“×ž× ×•×ª. -With trouble comes opportunity.
gurlcat
·2 years agoWell last night my final 2 auctions with PLE closed. 😫
I immediately started 2 more auction lots very similar to the ones that just closed ...... but with no promotion at all, for the first time in ... a couple years? I feel so naked, LOL!!! -But so is everybody else, those running auctions anyway.
I'll report how these 2 do in comparison to their predecessors.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat Yes, keep us posted...
gurlcat
·2 years ago@my-cottage-books-and-antiques @valueaddedresource
This being a unique week where no auctions are sponsored, I decided to check if any are shown in any of the down-page modules. Turns out, YES I see some in the "You may also like" module. They're not in any of the others, but no surprise because those all state that they are sponsored.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat Yes, I noticed the other day that a fixed price item of mine (not in a PLS campaign) was showing up in one of the modules on a competitors listing page. I am not sure just how is determining when to show non promoted items on listing pages, but it does seem to be happening.
With any luck, you may find you don't really need to promote your auction lot listings.
@devon@ebay Can you shed some light on this: ebay appears to be showing non-promoted listings on listing pages, a space once reserved only for promoted listings. How does ebay determine whether to show non-PLS listings on listing pages?
gurlcat
·2 years agoSo, I just did some digging and tallying of my Solds history, and at this point I'm feeling almost silly for worrying so much about the additional money auctions will cost me. Why? Because it's looking like my bigger concern might be how much my BINS will cost me, due to frikkin HALO. And I bet this isn't just a 'me' thing but any seller who does a combination of auctions and BINs, and promotes both.
So check this out. Out of my last 100 sales: 18 were auctions. 33 BIN's sold via promoted listings. 49 BIN's sold organically. So if we toss out the auctions and look only at the BINs, I had to pay the ad rate for only 40% of those BIN items. I say "only" without knowing if that's typical or not; I'd be very curious to know other people's ratios, but I suspect I might be rather "spoiled" in this regard. All I know for sure is I'd rather pay it for 40% of my BIN's than 50 .... 60 ..... or more ..... and I think I have very good reason to suspect that number WILL rise, possibly dramatically, when this thing kicks in.
Why? Well here were a couple patterns I noticed while doing this tallying: 1. almost all the non-jewelry things I sold were by promoted listings. 2. An (eyeballed) majority of the jewelry sold by promoted listing were during weeks when I didn't run an auction. What do these observations indicate? -What I always suspected before, and a major reason I've always felt it wise to have at least one auction running: a lot of people who check out my auctions also check out the rest of my store, and that's where a good bit of my BIN sales come from. In those cases my auctions served as free promotion, but they no longer will.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Assuming you are right, and auctions have been driving FP sales (along with getting the auction sale), it might be best to start by running auctions with NO PL fee to see how they work, not only as to the bidding but also as to directing traffic to your FP items.
brightlightbookseller
·2 years agoI just looked at our last 31 days of sales (the default for viewing in the Performance -> Sales tab in Seller Hub), and 18.9% of total sales were promoted listings (or rather, from promotions, I guess, since they could have been promoted but have been found and purchased organically). Granted, we don't promote until listings have been active for 3 months, but that's a good sign for us too. I'm not worried about this change either, though we don't use auctions that much so it wasn't a big deal to us.
gurlcat
·2 years agoYeah I've been considering the idea of not promoting new listings "until" (I don't know about 3 months but I can experiment). Thanks for looking up your numbers, that's very useful and encouraging regarding this idea of waiting to promote something until it's needed.
valueaddedresource
·2 years ago@gurlcat if it helps your brain at all...based on all the information we have so far, I believe this will basically be the same as it works for BIN.
Forget all of the different buyer and seller actions that may or may not take place during the time the auction is running - at the end of the day, it will sell for $xx.xx winning bid and you'll pay x% as an ad fee on that final sale amount (item, shipping & tax), just like on whatever the final sale amount of a BIN sale is.
If you change the rate any time before the auction ends, it will very likely follow the same rules as BIN for what rate will apply to the sale.
The big question there is if you will be able to change the rate after there are bids (I personally can't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to as it doesn't change anything on the buyer side of things like editing a description or other info would do) and hopefully Devon will be able to provide confirmation on that or we'll all find out on the 29th.
Other questions as far as whether placement's will change depending on initial duration or time left or any other factors - I wouldn't expect to get a lot of detail on that, just like eBay doesn't really give us a lot of detail about ranking factors for placements with BIN...we might get some generalities but mostly it's a proprietary algorithmic thing that is very likely dynamic and constantly changing depending on many variables.
Just to save your sanity, my suggestion is spend the next 12 days thinking and planning for these ads to work pretty much just like the ones you are already using for BIN and then test/tweak from there once it's available and you get a look at what it looks like in the dashboard and how it will all actually work in practice.
nylvseller
·2 years agocomplete **bleep**, that is such a scam, it will cost you much more on bigger items
nylvseller
·2 years agoPS the customer service team is so dumb they had no clue about this being removed yet i found it first and had to tell them, looser from not here
exemplarmodels
·2 years agoYeah, complete **bleep** and nothing but a cash grab by eBay. I rather pay the $1.99 to promote auctions that sell for several hundred dollars.
filatcostamps
·2 years agoHas anyone been able to use promoted standard for auction listings since this change? I have multiple accounts & I can't seem figure out the new method for promoting auctions. It doesn't give sellers an incentive to start high end material cheap if they can't ensure it gets adequate exposure.
valueaddedresource
·2 years ago@filatcostamps per the announcement on the eBay Ads Blog, the ability to add auctions to Promoted Standard will not be available until April 29.
https://www.ebayads.com/2024/04/04/grow-your-business-with-promoted-listings-standard-now-in-place-of-promoted-listings-express/
Until then, you will not have any option to promote auction listings.
gurlcat
·2 years agoKind of goofy to plan a 2-week gap in any kind of promotion like that, I mean it's lost revenue for them too. My only guess would be it's to avoid any confusion from overlap between auctions running on the two different kinds of promotion.
Whatever. I'm still pretty bummed about this. More to the point I'm at a loss for how to approach it. I'll still want to use the auction format for the specific type of item listing I've traditionally used it for, but I can't figure out what % rate I should use -the same, more, or less, than what I apply to my BIN listings. I can't even suss whether the difference in number of days listed is a factor or not. And it feels like it might be one of those things where it should be fairly obvious but not to me because I'm blonde and I don't math good.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
valueaddedresource
·2 years ago@gurlcat I can definitely understand why the gap would be frustrating and yeah, I assumed it was to avoid confusion/complaints of possible overlapping fees (auctions started on 4/14 may have had the Express fee, could potentially run for up to 10 days and then maybe they built in a couple extra days just for good measure?)
Wish I had suggestions for you on a strategy for how to best use PL Standard for auctions but I don't....if nothing else, don't feel bad because it's not entirely obvious to me either. 😂
Unfortunately, it's probably just going to require testing and tweaking once the option is available.
gurlcat
·2 years agovalueaddedresource
·2 years ago@gurlcat you're welcome!
My first thought was going to be along the lines of what @my-cottage-books-and-antiques suggested of looking back at what you were paying for Express and approximating a percent from that to start with, but I'm not really sure how that will work since Express was such a different animal with visibility and what you "got" for that amount being so different that I don't know if any of the data you may have gleaned from your experience with those ads would actually be remotely helpful in trying to figure out what to do for auctions in PLS.
Given how much that blog post is pointing to the idea that these ads will work for auctions almost exactly the same way they do for fixed price (and assuming auctions will now be competing against fixed price for the same placements using same/similar ranking criteria), it might be a better strategy to take what you know has been working for your BIN listings and use that as a starting point for auctions too?
Though if your BIN listings tend to be single items and auctions tend to be lots, that could make some difference too.
Honestly, my suggestion would be to take a deep breath, don't stress about it and just see where things are on the 29th but I know that's much easier said than done.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@valueaddedresource That's another good way of lookin at it. Whether @gurlcat starts with a rate similar to the old PLE fee or the rate she's been using for FP listings, it will still be a matter of testing. I know when PLE was originally launched, the placements were limited, although I seem to recall at some point ebay did expand them? Since I rarely used PLE, I didn't keep up with that.
It is definitely a change, both in how effective PLS will be when compared to PLE, and in the likely cost for the seller. I gather @gurlcat has something of a following for her auctions, and she clearly knows her stuff, so I think she'll continue to benefit from auction format. I agree, no need to stress over this. Just wait till it's here, and then deal with it.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat Well, we won't know for certain until this launches, but I don't think the auction duration will be a factor. You select whatever % you are comfortable with, same as with fixed price items now.
As to what percentage to choose, that's up to you.
I might be mistaken, but don't you mostly use auctions for jewelry lots? Maybe go back though and figure out an average sales figure---do your lots usually sell for $50, $100, $500...whatever.
If you paid $1.99 for most of your auctions (PL Express up front fee), what PLS percentage would come closest to approximating that amount? (Keeping in mind that the PLS is calculated on total price, so if shipping or sales tax is high, that can skew things).
If the PLS minimum of 2% is closest, then I would probably start by using that. (But of course, 2% might or might not get you the type of visibility you want, so you might need to go up from there) I would, of course, ignore ebay's "suggested rate".
And of course, right now, with no PLE and no PLS, you can get a pretty good idea whether your lots might sell without any PL.
gurlcat
·2 years agoThanks but there's no way to do a calculation like what you suggested because the winning bids on these lots are SO unpredictable. If it were as easy as calculating the average of a bunch of them, then theoretically I would just list them as BIN's for that amount. In fact, that's often how I decide the BIN price for a single item, if there are enough Sold listings of it to figure an average (taking condition into account of course). But with mixed lots, there are just so many wild card factors.
Even with as many of these as I've done, the results surprise me all the time.
I figured this one would fetch at least $150.
And I thought this one might go as high as $300. LOL.
So, I rightly predicted which would do better than the other, but by how much ..... not even close.
But I can tell you this much for sure: $1.49 or $1.99 was negligible compared to what I'd have to pay for promotion if I used the 7-9% rate that I apply to most BIN's, regardless of winning bid, because I don't ever list a lot that couldn't fetch (at baaare minimum) 50 bucks.
What I have to figure out is whether I'll NEED to apply that much. But even 4 or 5% would be an increase in my costs, that's for sure.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Yeah, I figured coming up with an average would be just a very rough sort of thing, because prices are bound to vary. I agree that using PLS , especially at , say, 7%, will cut into your margins compared to the cost of PLE.
A couple thoughts (you may already do this stuff, or maybe it wouldn't work for what you do...just throwing this out there.
1. Launch your lot auctions on the same day, say, Sunday night every week.
2. Send a weekly ebay newsletter reminding subscribers about the auctions. Maybe include a discount coupon for repeat buyers?
3. Use social media to promote the auctions as well.
I think the more consistency there is the more you can build up a repeat customer base, and hopefully will not need to rely so much on promotions.
Like I say, just some random thoughts....
gurlcat
·2 years agoI do list on Sundays usually.
Social media -most of the jewelry Facebook groups I'm in prohibit sales posts of any kind. There are a couple that allow them and I've posted links to my current auctions (and selected BIN's) there, but I'm not sure it helped at all, or if there is even a way to know. The closest I've come is starting the post by saying "Exclusive offer for members. If you buy, tell me you saw this ad in ________ (group) and I'll refund ____ off your purchase" -never had a taker for that.
But this surprises me even more: I used to offer 15% off to all repeat buyers (with a coupon code) and I did it for over a year. Only got ONE buyer who used it, and she used it repeatedly so that was good, but other than her, nobody. And 15% is a lot!! I think what makes it ineffective is that if the buyer wants to use it, well first of all they have to REMEMBER they've bought from me before and that I gave them a coupon, and then they have to dig to find the code. -You know how if you view a listing of a seller you've bought from before, how it says that right on the listing page? Well it sure would be nice if they could also program that in alignment with repeat buyer discounts! Then they wouldn't have to remember, and seeing the difference in cost right on the page would be an instant "Ooo!" factor.
The only one of your suggestions I haven't tried is anything involving "newsletters" or "subscribers". Honestly I don't even know what any of that means, lol. Are subscribers the same thing as people who added me to their Saved Sellers, or is it a whole other thing?
isaiah53-57
·2 years agoHas nothing to do with being blonde - With the way this despicable program is designed, how can anyone know what rate to use - In my opinion, they designed it like that for a reason.
Part of that reason would be to use their "recommended" rates I'm sure - Who would know better than the company what rates should be used right?
Problem with that is, they are "recommending" promotion rates of around 15% 0f the ENTIRE TRANSACTION - Add that to the 13.5% FVFs of the ENTIRE TRANSACTION and you are pushing 30% of the ENTIRE TRANSACTION in fees!
30% of the entire transaction can easily equate to 40% to 50% of the ITEMS SELLING PRICE - which of course is the only profit bearing figure in the transaction - And the company is "recommending" this!! - Are there so few people seeing the "emperor has no clothes"??
gurlcat
·2 years agoOoo! Here's something I'll be very curious to see -whether the % rate is editable after the first bid is placed. I understand why so many other listing features are locked at that point, but changing how visible the listing is wouldn't change anything that factored into already-bid'ers' decisions to bid or how much.
Well, POOP, but then I guess the algorithm would have to be programmed to charge the seller according to the rate applied when the winning bidder ....BLARRR! I DON'T KNOW! I JUST HATE THIS SO MUCH!! 🤣
valueaddedresource
·2 years ago@gurlcat just from what was said in the eBay Ads blog, it sounds like the plan is for the most part it's going to work very much like it does for Fixed Price BIN as far as attribution, which would make sense since you'll be able to include both auction and fixed price in the same campaign if you use the Simple option so they would have to keep that relatively consistent.
So, to keep it simple, for your auctions in PL Standard, if you change the rate while the auction is running, it should be based on last click attribution just like for fixed price.
https://www.ebay.com/sellercenter/growth/promoted-listings/promoted-listings-standard
For Direct sales, we measure the 30-day sales attribution window from the click closest to the sale and charge the ad rate in effect at the time of that last click.
For Halo Item sales, you will only be charged an ad fee if the purchased item is in an active Promoted Listings Standard campaign at the time of the sale, and you will be charged the ad rate of the sold item.
The ad fee for Halo Item sales will be calculated based on the ad rate in effect for the sold item at the time of the sale.
Direct sale example 1: A buyer clicks your item before you revise the ad rate and purchases it after your revision.
When a buyer clicks on your promoted listing before you revise the ad rate but purchases the item after you revise the ad rate, you will be charged the ad rate before you revised it.
Direct sale example 2: A buyer clicks and purchases your item after you revise the ad rate.
When a buyer clicks on your promoted listing after you revise your ad rate and purchases the item, you will be charged the updated ad rate that is active at the time of the sale.
gurlcat
·2 years agoSo just to make sure I'm not mistaken, is a BIN the same as a "Direct Sale"? (never heard anyone use that term before).
Assuming 'yes' oh man, that is a lot to digest. But still helpful, so thank you.
And assuming the answer is 'yes' to whether the ad rate will be editable throughout the auction (including the ability to turn it completely off or start it at any point), I'm thinking on it, and man is it complicated! See, first there's the factor of proxy bidding, and the fact that a bidder can make a new bid after their proxy bid has been surpassed, etc. -But I think it's probably safe to assume the ad rate of a winning bidder is whatever the rate was when they first clicked on the listing, right?
Okay, so one thing that makes auctions and BIN's is very different is the best time to view them. Not saying all buyers do like me, but I will typically do a search where I refine by BIN's only, and sort those results by Newly Listed, because that's the best way to find underpriced items (before someone else sees them and snatches them up) -talking strictly OOAK items of course; for multiple quantity items then of course sorting by lowest price is the way. So then after I've gone a page or two of new listings, I'll start over and do a 'Auctions only' and sort those by the opposite timeframe, Ending Soonest, so I can try to snipe wins.
Again, I won't assume that all buyers use my tactics, but you can see how it's hard to decide whether there would be an advantage to starting/ending/increasing/decreasing promotion at any point during the auction. I would be very curious to know how time remaining affects an auctions placements in Best Match by the way. OH, and to this day I don't know (do you?) if an auction gets any kind of special treatment for being "Hot" beyond the little red letter badge, LOL. Almost all mine do, but I never know if it makes them place more often in page spots or higher in Best Match searches or anyting.
Ughhhh....... Me. Brain. Hurt. And I'mma start a whole new reply about Halo, because that's a whole other can of hurt.
valueaddedresource
·2 years ago@gurlcat a Direct Sale just means the buyer interacted directly with that specific listing in a way that would make the ad fee apply (either clicking on the Sponsored/Promoted version of it in search or other placements or by clicking the heart to add to watch list on the Sponsored/Promoted version in search or other placements).
They only started calling it that last year when they introduced Halo attribution and had to have a name for the standard way it had always been before to differentiate it.
Halo Sales are where if a buyer clicks on the Sponsored/Promoted version of one of your listings and then within 30 days clicks and buys a different one of your items that is also enrolled in a PL campaign, you will be charged the applicable ad fee for the item they bought even if they never actually interacted with the Sponsored/Promoted version of that listing.
Up to this point, Direct Sales could only be BIN just because it's only a thing in PL Standard and only BIN could be in PLS, but once auctions are allowed in PLS too, it will apply to them as well - it's a term for the ad fee attribution model, not having anything to do with the listing format, if that makes sense.
And no, it would not be based on the first click, it is based on the last click - so the rate you would be charged will be whatever it was the last time the buyer clicked on it before buying (or winning the auction).
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@gurlcat Excellent question!
@devon@ebay On a fixed price listing in PLS, I can change the rate at any time (or even end the campaign). How will that work with auctions? and will there be a difference between an auction without any bids, and an auction with a bid?
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@valueaddedresource I agree that the attribution will likely work that way, and agree with @gurlcat that changing the PLS rate after a bid has been secured really should not be prohibited, but I think it would be good to get that confirmed if we can.
valueaddedresource
·2 years ago@my-cottage-books-and-antiques for sure confirmation would be great! Hopefully Devon or someone at @adsteam@ebay will be able to provide some additional info to help those who use auctions prepare for this change.
cristian3_6
OP2 years agoI really do not understand
Will my fees go up with this? Will the flow of people viewing my auctions decrease?
The truth is, last year I sold for 16 thousand dollars the entire year.
but my profit was almost 6 thousand dollars for me
and I have always put my auctions with promoted listed
and I also had to pay the accountant and I had to pay more
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@cristian3_6
You are NOT required to promote any of your auctions.
So, when this change happens on April 15th, you can just list your auctions without ANY promotion, and see how well they sell. If you do OK without promotions, you can probably just stick with no promotions.
Or, you can test Promotions Listing Standard. Before doing that, however, you really need to understand HOW it works. PLS will give you more visibility than the now discontinued PL Express (which is what you've been using)
You pay no up front fees with PLS.
However, you pay a percentage for every sale you make which can be attributed to PLS . You choose the percentage, with a minimum of 2% and a maximum of whatever you choose. This is applied to your TOTAL selling price (not just the item price, but the item price plus shipping plus any sales tax)
Let's say you've been paying $1.99 up front for a seven day listing that sold for $100.00 on auction. ebay got a $1.99 in PLE fees for that sale. So, without considering other fees and costs, that's $100.00 minus $1.99, you end up with 98.01 before the FVF etc are deducted. If your item got no bids at all, you were out the 1.99 regardless.
Now, let's say you choose to go with (just making up a number) 10% as a PLS fee Your auction gets no bids? You aren't out a PL fee.
BUT if your item sells on auction for $100.00 plus $5.00 shipping plus $5.00 sales tax, ebay will take 10% of that TOTAL : so, 10% of $110.00, which is $11.00. So, deduct the $11.00 from the $100.00 item sale price, you are left with $89.00. And that's before ebay deducts the FVF, also from the total, which further reduces what you are left with.
You might find PLS is not a good fit, period
You might find it works for you, but only at, say, 2%, not at, say, 20%.
Only you can decide ... but yes, you could easily end up paying more....possibly much more...to ebay depending on your choice.
Choose wisely.
cristian3_6
OP2 years agothis is all mental
When I put a lot up for sale I think if I don't put promoted list less people will come to see my lists also when I don't put promoted list the count of people stays at 3 for a long time
So I think other people put the same thing and promote it. The priority in the search engine is for those who pay for the promoted lists and those who do not pay are last or are not very visible in the search engine.
that's why I put promotion on all my lists
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years agoFine. promote them if you wish. But understand the huge difference between "Promoted Listings Express" which will be gone as of Monday or Tuesday, and "Promoted Listings Standard".
They are VERY different things, and if you do not take the time to fully understand , you MIGHT end up paying a LOT more money to ebay than you have in the past.
gurlcat
·2 years agoI'm not sure you understand how the promotion called 'Standard' works. The one you've been using for auctions ('Express) is a binary thing, where either you use it or you don't. But that's not what the Standard one will be like. It's not just yes or no. If yes, it's HOW MUCH. The higher the number (percent) you set it for, the more people will see it, but also the more you will pay after the item sells.
Do you get what we're saying?
cristian3_6
OP2 years agoHello, thanks for answering
I put many auctions and in the auctions I put payment for promoted list
more or less 1.99 dollars per list
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·2 years ago@cristian3_6 not anymore. That is what we are telling you. What you have been doing... Paying the $1.99 or whatever is ENDING on April 15. You will not be able to do that anymore. Do you understand that? eBay is ending that program. Period. That's the announcement they sent you.