ebay scamming good people
Ebay is a scam site made for sellers to scam you and Eba will back them and steal your money . Ebay helps seller scam you . Seller will put *fake tracing number Ebay does no investigating on this tracing number they will just side with the scam seller and rob you of you funds . Ebay you should be ashamed of you practise wrong bad and deceitful EBay SCams people sad
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krsim_0
·11 months agoThere's no such thing as "Fake Tracing number" pleade note that your registered address will be the delivery address. If the item is lost, the first contact should be the shipping service because eBay doesn't have their own shipping company.
Please note that eBay csr's hands are tied and just following the eBay management policy, so be kind.
drduranduran
·11 months agoJust recently, this has happened to me twice on eBay. I've been on eBay since the 90's and i've never seen the scamming this bad on here until now.
stuff4divas
·11 months ago@sportscraz1 if u don't want to do what has been suggested, dealing thru eBay, then go to your payment processor, paypal, credit card, etc and dispute the charge
be sure to get evidence from the shipping company that the item was not sent to you
kibble-net
·11 months agoCounterpoint:
I've been BUYING and SELLING on ebay since 1999 and haven't encountered any of the problems OP has.
Two words: DUE DILIGENCE.
-If the deal seems to good to be true, IT PROBABLY IS.
-Take the time to view the feedback profile of the seller you're buying from. LOOK FOR RED FLAGS.
-If you get scammed, REPORT IT TO EBAY.
Or just do nothing - and complain to the world when things don't go your way.
meme6253
·11 months agoOne bad apple does not spoil the whole bunch, Sorry you came across a scammer, This can happen on any site, But the entire site is not to blame because you fell prey to one Bad apple.
moondogblues
·11 months agoI won a case by a scam Seller doing the fake tracking thing by going to the PO and getting the weight of the 'item' that was 'delivered' as opposed to what I bought. The difference was about 78 pounds. EBay, probably because I was not going to give up, and I opened a fraud case with USPS, refunded me. The more this is brought to light the more hope we all have that they, the scammers, will get caught.
ten_o_nine
·11 months agoLike any platform, eBay isn't perfect and has scammers, but calling the entire site a scam isn't fair.
rugerskick
·11 months agoBoth sellers and buyers have tracking scams they can run on each other, and it sucks because scammers on either side hurt Ebay and make each side distrust the other. If it happened to you, I sympathize. I both buy ans sell here. What I can tell you is ebay is a lot quicker to deal with a scam seller than a scam buyer, because a scam seller can mess things in a more severe way than a scam buyer can, in terms of the sites reputation, and losing buyers off the site who decide not to return. They are not nearly as quick to dismiss a scam seller.
bonanza125
·11 months ago"Ebay you should be ashamed of you practise wrong bad and deceitful EBay SCams people sad"
Ebay isn't here. This is a community of your peers who answer questions and give you advice. This is a common scam which yes Ebay will side with a seller who has tracking number states delivered. Best way to prevent this from happen is first check feedback. If feedback states the seller has been ripping people off then best to avoid. Try to purchase within the US. You run a risk purchasing international. Also as another person said file the proper case.
1979forever
·11 months agoYes...especially now, I would not recommend dealing with foreign parties. A lost package send from Winnipeg to California got lost and since both UPS and Canada Post are involved, it's been a 6 week long nightmare.
A seller that send it to a wrong address, eBay or the dealer did pay out but I am without a delivery. And I can't change my review of him...after he pleaded to 'make it better', while I am still on the phone with India/ UPS for hours with out it being solved weeks later.
And of course no reaction from the seller after I was told three four different stories by UPS.
The easiest part, now, has been dealing with eBay.
In short they have been great but can't change a review. Unless the Silencer in Winnipeg speaks.
campanaelia
·11 months agoSince ebay thinks you received it because tracking shows delivered you will lose an INR case. Instead you should open a return request for missing parts and pieces. The seller will need to provide you with a return label within 3 business days. If they don't respond, ask ebay to step in on the 4th day.
Read this thread below
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Buying/Fake-Tracking-Scam-by-seller/td-p/34889174
Insanity is to continue doing the same thing expecting different results!
mam98031
·11 months agoWhat would you return to the seller once they gave you the return label since you never received the item in the first place?
eburtonlab
·11 months agoWhat would you return to the seller once they gave you the return label since you never received the item in the first place?
If the seller is a scammer intentionally providing false tracking, the scammer is unlikely to be in a position to provide a prepaid label or to follow through. If a label is actually provided, the buyer should absolutely return precisely what was received. Some might suggest including a copy of the false tracking information, as well, as a bonus.
If the seller is actually intending to deliver something but has unknowingly chosen a scamming drop-shipper to deliver the item (but who is actually delivering false tracking instead), the seller is still held responsible by eBay for the delivery of the item or else refunding the buyer. Presumably the seller would be responsible for returning the item to the drop-shipper if the drop-shipper is international and if a prepaid return shipping label could not be provided to the buyer by the seller.
mam98031
·11 months agoI simply disagree. I don't think two wrongs make a right.
I've been in this position before. I fought it on Ebay with evidence from the carrier. I won and was refunded my money.
I had a seller ship something light weight to another address in my zip code. What I ordered would have weighed 30+ pounds. What they shipped to some other address was less than a pound. I got the carrier to cooperate enough with me to get enough information to fight this and get my money back. The weight differences was too big to ignore.
eburtonlab
·11 months agoI don't think two wrongs make a right.
I respect that belief. I share it to a great extent.
One can acknowledge that certain wrongs are possible courses of action in specific cases, though, even if they are not necessarily recommended or advised. It is up to the individuals involved to determine whether any option is appropriate or worth considering or pursuing.
"Fighting fire with fire" is a well-known expression for a reason. And "TlT FOR TAT" is an entirely rational winning strategy in many game-theory situations [even though Khoros will not let me mention it without trying to censor it, apparently].
There is a certain symmetry involved; if eBay accepts that tracking proves that the item was delivered to the buyer, then the buyer ought to be able to return exactly what was received for a refund if it does not match the description. The fact that the buyer both received nothing and has nothing to return but that eBay is convinced the buyer received something due to tracking showing delivery should not be used against the buyer in one context where it helps the seller but not also apply in the other context where it actually helps the buyer.
If a seller (or eBay) wants to step forward and complain that the buyer did not return what was sent because the seller actually sent something else to someone else, let the seller (or eBay) make that argument explicitly.
No doubt an honest buyer would be willing to sign a notarized affidavit affirming that the buyer was returning exactly what the buyer received.
I've been in this position before. I fought it on Ebay with evidence from the carrier. I won and was refunded my money.
Anyone that can obtain documentation from the shipping service stands a very good chance of getting a refund by contacting eBay through social media, at least lately if not in the past. I believe I had mentioned this as a viable course of action that others had pursued successfully.
I had a seller ship something light weight to another address in my zip code. What I ordered would have weighed 30+ pounds. What they shipped to some other address was less than a pound. I got the carrier to cooperate enough with me to get enough information to fight this and get my money back. The weight differences was too big to ignore.
But not every shipping service may be willing to provide that documentation in every case, and not every false tracking instance has an obvious time or weight discrepancy that can be exploited to demonstrate that the tracking does not correspond to the item purchased. Folks that cannot demonstrate that the tracking they received is false deserve a better option than just saying "the rules say you are out of luck if you can't get documentation" or "maybe your credit card provider will believe you over eBay and the tracking showing delivery".
Though I can defend it as a course of action that may achieve the right result for the wrong reason, I am not actually recommending it. I am not trying to, and I do not expect to convince you -- or anyone else for that matter -- that returning an empty box is the right thing to do, and I certainly do not expect you or anyone else to feel compelled to mention it, much less go out of your way to actually recommend it as a course of action.
But, at least until eBay provides a better option to deal with false tracking, someone should mention it as a possibility, and if no one else will do so, then I suppose I will.
roccotacodad54
·11 months agoDid you get made whole for your time and effort spent in getting your evidence? I fear not.
That's precisely why people are going the route of two wrongs. They don't feel it should be on them to run around playing detective gathering evidence to prove themselves innocent.
They don't feel obligated to play fair when dealing with scammers that don't................
mam98031
·11 months ago@roccotacodad54
" Did you get made whole for your time and effort spent in getting your evidence?" What? Ebay does that? or the seller is made responsible to do that? When did that happen? What the heck are you talking about?
We see things different, which you are entitled to do. As I said before, it all worked out for me, so I shared what I did. It is fine if you believe I should not have done it. That is OK.
roccotacodad54
·11 months ago" Did you get made whole for your time and effort spent in getting your evidence?" What? Ebay does that? or the seller is made responsible to do that?"
My point, ebay doesn't do that and neither does the seller. So it's left to the buyer to eat the loss of time and expense to be made "kinda whole" to prove an INR with false tracking.
You don't seem to mind, that's Ok.
I'd still feel like I lost on the deal though................................
12345jamesstamps
·11 months agoTo be fair...the seller scams a buyer...correct?
'What would you return to the seller'...a note..
What kind of note...not a nice one I would think.
Buyer is also making the selling work a little more plus pay return postage for the buyer's note.
And what if the seller didn't do a return label?...Buyer would win...correct?
3 days to get a return label is a very short period of time...
Just thoughts...
mam98031
·11 months agoOK, I agree with what you have said. However it doesn't change my opinion and what I posted earlier. I found a better way to handles this kind of problem without doing something that is just creating another action that is an abuse of the system. Just thoughts....
glorybells
·11 months agoUntil eBay addresses this problem head on, there are going to continue being different thoughts on how to handle this. I know this has been brought up in the monthly mentor meetings, but until eBay does something to rein in these sellers, this problem is just going to continue to worsen, I think.
mam98031
·11 months agoI don't disagree with what you have said. And clearly on this thread thoughts / opinions are being shared. I'm not trying to curb the open discussion. I just offered my opinion on one of those opinions. I also gave a brief recap of a similar situation I found myself in and how I got my money back. As is always true, it is up to each individual on the thread or reading it to decide what is best for them.
doc-holmes
·11 months agoI admire that you want to play by the rules. Some situations call for pushing those boundaries, though. When I was a kid, someone stole my bike. When I was walking down the street a few blocks over I saw it at the end of a driveway, near a house's backyard. The proper thing to do would have been to tell a grownup or call the police, but I said nuts to that. I just stole it right back. And before anyone gets on my case, yes...it was 100% my bike
powell-collectibles
·11 months agoSadly, there were some - even in this thread - that would get rather upset if I even discussed the solution of filing an INAD when this tracking scam was experienced. I wasn't even endorsing, just discussing the potential effectiveness. This scam has been happening a lot for years - and it is absolutely getting worse.
campanaelia
·11 months agoThe MBG is supposed to be completely automated.
Buyers should not be put in a position of running to carriers to gather information to be refunded.
Maybe you had the luxury to do so, but you don't know every buyers situation.
Many buyers may not have a car, the carrier may be far away and not convenient to travel to, they may live in remote areas, or simply don't have the time in their busy schedules,... etc.
In my experience, anybody can make a phone call to ask if the address is correct on the label, they've never once brought up privacy issues, which is the excuse ebay hides behind. It' just a simple yes or no answer. I've done it many times, so any idiot could do it.
This has been happening for at least 15 years, patience with this scam is running thin, how much longer does ebay need for a better solution.
mam98031
·11 months agoThe MBG [money back guarantee] is a policy. IDK what you mean by it is suppose to be automated?
"Buyers should not be put in a position of running to carriers to gather information to be refunded." Well that would be for each buyer to decide for themselves. They can do nothing and just accept they have lost the money and/or the product or they can be actively working to get their money or product.
"Many buyers may not have a car, the carrier may be far away and not convenient to travel to, they may live in remote areas, or simply don't have the time in their busy schedules" Geeze, I've never thought of that. But then IDK why they would need to have a car or drive to the carriers location. As far as I know, everything can be done online. At least I was able to get the information I needed using the internet and my phone for calls.
campanaelia
·11 months agoIn the buyers forum we are told every day how the MBG is completely automated and there is no need to contact anyone.
Maybe you were given special treatment since you're a mentor, but regular buyers are told they need "hard copy documentation" on the carriers letterhead. Ebay will not accept documentation from online.
12345jamesstamps
·11 months agoThe problem lies in that it keeps happening...of a seller doing it to buyers over and over.
And yet, nothing happens to the seller.
And we read this sort of stuff in feedbacks of buyers to the seller over and over.
And now artificial intelligence jumping in...I doubt it would get better.
I don't think a buyer should have to spend hours to do so much work to 'try' to get a refund...I say it loosely because the buyer doesn't always win.
A few buyers might get lucky if they work 'real hard' at it and use a lot of their free time and then maybe in weeks get that refund.
I think it can be an easy fix placing the buyer's address in the tracking of where it is going instead of just a zip code or city.
eBay shipping labels should be able to show that.
It is eBay creating the Bay shipping labels sellers purchase...last I heard.
eburtonlab
·11 months agoI think it can be an easy fix placing the buyer's address in the tracking of where it is going instead of just a zip code or city.
The shipping service will not publish the buyer's address for privacy reasons; eBay is neither the sender nor the recipient, and is not entitled to more information than is available to anyone else. If the seller is a scammer, the seller will not cooperate; the buyer is not the recipient, and cannot obtain that information in most cases. The actual recipient has no idea what is going on and likely cannot help.
eBay shipping labels should be able to show that.
It is eBay creating the Bay shipping labels sellers purchase...last I heard.
The sorts of scammers that provide false tracking are not using eBay labels; they are fulfilling those orders using Orange Connex or similar services to deliver trinkets to nearby business addresses, or else they are providing tracking numbers taken from third-party site databases.
mam98031
·11 months ago@12345jamesstamps
One in which we have no power to change. It is a complex problem and not something that is easily dealt with by anyone. Buyers, sellers, carriers and Ebay alike.
IDK that nothing happens to the seller. I've seen some get sanctions over the years for this kind of behavior. I must admit that the seller that did it to me, didn't seem to get sanction, but then we can't see all the various ways Ebay has of sanctioning a seller publicly. But I get it, more needs to be done. No argument here.
"And now artificial intelligence jumping in...I doubt it would get better." I'm not sure what this means. AI isn't involved in posting the auto feedback that just currently started. It is a program created to do this. Maybe AI helped write it, IDK. But there is no reason for AI to be in control of it. There are set rules for it to be applied.
"I don't think a buyer should have to spend hours to do so much work to 'try' to get a refund...I say it loosely because the buyer doesn't always win." They don't. That is up to each buyer to decide. The easiest way for the buyer is to do a Chargeback. But for me, I wanted to prove to Ebay what the seller did. It is a personal choice for each of us to make when we find ourselves in this situation.
powell-collectibles
·11 months ago100% best answer!
lakefor94
·11 months ago@sportscraz1 what you describe is my biggest beef with eBay for not addressing the fake tracking scam, head on.
Lackadaisical at best.