Ebay indeed has gotten out of control with demanding PHOTO ID's of sellers
Ebay really only needs our SS number to report what is sold to the IRS, the fact we don't get Photo ID of Ebay's CEO and officers who like banks can go out of business and leave sellers hanging. The other security issue is Ebay obviously uses 3rd world parties who can be desperate for money and live in countries that are famous for online scams and identity theft. After many years of selling and 100% seller feedback this is an insult to sellers.
I could see that buyers should have to require photo ID's to buy as to not cheap already reputable sellers with years of sales but not more than an SS card for sellers. The chances of being ripped off by a buyer is 150% more than by a seller who has years of sales and high positive feedback.
If you're going to respond with "If you don't like it, then leave" then please don't waste your time with responding as you're the problem like all the people that went along with anything government demanded pre 1945 only to use it for dishonest practices. People who don't question anything big business demands are responsible for their own demise. Plus why big business always get's worse in their demands.
Fact is if anyone wanted to use a fake id it can be done. Plus as it's been stated why are we forced to share one more piece of private data when identity theft is at an all time high?
For whose good and protection is this? NOT the sellers. Once again Ebay would be nothing without seller but they treat them like criminals and cattle.
The Ebay experience is constantly gotten worse over the years, poor interface, design and customer support.
I'm sure the creator can't believe how much it has changed since he created it. Shame on you Ebay
buyselljack2016
·3 years agoI recently transferred money form my checking to purchase a share certificate at my CU. I was logged in via my confirmed ID to the secure CU website. I was required to upload a photo of my driver's license in order to accomplish that.
nh7235
·3 years agoI tried it -- asked the bank teller for their state-issued ID since I'm giving them my money -- but it didn't work.
Remember Edward Snowden took government secrets out of the country? In the same way that that was far-away Hawaii with a secure connection to the mainland, we might be concerned that eBay entrusts the low-bidder Adyen with our private infornation, available at any of their many offices remote and far away.
itsjustasprain
·3 years agoWhile you are not familiar with Adyen you may have heard of some of their other customers who apparently trust them a lot: Uber - McDonalds - Microsoft - LinkedIn - KLM Airlines...
https://www.adyen.com/customers
ms.rodriguez*
·3 years agoFrankly, it's easier for someone to steal your ID/details from the doctor's office than from Ebay. My doctor has his file cabinets right next to the check out desk. I can grab a few of those folders as the girl turns around to make photocopies of my ID and insurance card. I am not worried at all about Ebay and Paypal having my ID.
gloryglorygifts
·3 years agoYou need to have a photo ID on most marketplaces to sell now, not only ebay, and your info has to match that of your financial institutions. It's an enhanced security measure for not only sellers but buyers as well. As someone that was in the financial industry for decades, I can tell you for a fact that stealing ssn's is very easy and often done. In order to get a hacker off an instagram account, you have to provide a photo of you, holding 3 forms of ID that are legible in the photo and one of them has to be a photo ID. Fraud is rampant everywhere and if you need a photo ID to prove who you are, it costs you nothing to provide it.
ms.rodriguez*
·3 years agoEbay has to keep ebay safe. It does not matter how long you have been here. Ebay needs to verify that it is you behind your Ebay account and not your kid or nephew. Sometimes, older sellers die and the accounts are then used by their family/kids. Sometimes, they do bad things. I was once scammed by a seller with over 15,000+ ids. It was a cheap CD. By the time I went to my Purchases, the seller was gone. Tons of negatives issued before I bought the item. ALL of the negatives were for not shipping. So that is why Ebay needs an ID to make sure who is behind the account and that they are alive and kicking. I know you don't want to hear it but just send the photo ID. We have all done it. I have 2 selling accounts and I have been here since 1998. Most of the folks that post here are also sellers and use an ID for posting. None of those will be sympathizing with you. This is actually a very good policy and should have been done the second that anyone registers on ebay. No valid ID, then get lost should be the ebay motto.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoEbay has to keep ebay safe. It does not matter how long you have been here. Ebay needs to verify that it is you behind your Ebay account and not your kid or nephew. Sometimes, older sellers die and the accounts are then used by their family/kids. Sometimes, they do bad things. I was once scammed by a seller with over 15,000+ ids. It was a cheap CD. By the time I went to my Purchases, the seller was gone. Tons of negatives issued before I bought the item. ALL of the negatives were for not shipping. So that is why Ebay needs an ID to make sure who is behind the account and that they are alive and kicking. I know you don't want to hear it but just send the photo ID. We have all done it. I have 2 selling accounts and I have been here since 1998. Most of the folks that post here are also sellers and use an ID for posting. None of those will be sympathizing with you. This is actually a very good policy and should have been done the second that anyone registers on ebay. No valid ID, then get lost should be the ebay motto.
Totally agree but the policy, at the moment, is one sided and focused only on the sellers. While that is fine there is the other side of the coin that relates to the friendly fraud that is being committed by the buyer community and we see those posts every day on this forum. The chargeback issue is becoming a major problem for all retailers worldwide but the CC companies are bound to operate under the current laws that are almost 50 years old and in need of major revision.
maxine*j
·3 years agoI completely agree. I'm not sure what the way forward on this will be, but sooner or later it will be addressed. Corporations and banks have the ear of governments, and as this sort of fraud on the part of consumers increases, something will have to give.
The anonymity of e-commerce, along with other societal changes and outmoded laws and ideas developed before the internet and other e-technologies were born, have created a breeding ground for fraud by buyers, as well as by sellers.
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maxine*j
·3 years agoDo you think that eBay wants another costly and burdensome responsibility that eats up employee time, server space, security budgets? That opens them up to ever more liability if they fail to do it right? Of course not. None of this is eBay's idea -- nor the idea of Amazon, Etsy, Mercari, and all the other so-called marketplace facilitators on which this is being imposed.
Federal and state governments are compelling on-line marketplaces to take measures to try to eliminate the sale of counterfeit and stolen goods. This is in response to both angry consumers, who are cheated out of their money by on-line sellers and sometimes even physically harmed by counterfeit goods. This is in response to businesses, large and small, that are irrevocably harmed by massive, organized retail theft and by counterfeiters.
Are these the right measures? How effective will they be? No one knows that yet. But most people accept that the time has come for them.
But don't think for a moment that eBay wants to do any of this. It has spent decades asserting that it is "only a venue" and in no way responsible for the actions of either sellers or buyers. It is losing that battle. It is not happy about it.
So you can think whatever you care to think about the ID verification, but don't think that it was eBay's idea.
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monica-sells
·3 years agojust adding on to this eloquent, factual post......
and repeating for emphasis.......
"...So you can think whatever you care to think about the ID verification, but don't think that it was eBay's idea..."
2010byandsel100
·3 years agoso, criminals can steal without consequences
Police are told not to interfere or aren't even adequately staffed
and now they expect ebay to stop the grift?
Got it
monica-sells
·3 years agoIf you would be so kind as to decipher your statement...
what does that have to do with requiring positive ID for online transactions by entities that are processing money for you?
2010byandsel100
·3 years ago"Federal and state governments are compelling on-line marketplaces to take measures to try to eliminate the sale of counterfeit and stolen goods. This is in response to both angry consumers, who are cheated out of their money by on-line sellers and sometimes even physically harmed by counterfeit goods. "
Let the (local) government do it's job to stop the stealing
Why is ebay tasked with stopping the sale of stolen goods?
maxine*j
·3 years agoeBay alone is not asked with it. Local law enforcement, federal agencies, pawn shops and others who offer collateral loans, the courts, among many entities, public and private, are also tasked with it. eBay is tasked with taking measures to stop the sale of stolen goods on the platform it provides for selling and buying. That's all it is tasked with.
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maxine*j
·3 years agoYes, I see thread after thread here, month after month, year after year, complaining that a tyrannical eBay is collecting sales tax, is lowering the threshold for issuing 1099s, is requiring ever-deeper account verification -- when the fact is that eBay, and all the other marketplace facilitators, fought all those things tooth and nail. All of that costs eBay and the others big bucks, and gains them very little, if anything.
But so many sellers have the mindset of victims, with eBay is their oppressor, their persecutor that is always on the lookout for more ways to make piteous-victim-sellers' lives more miserable.
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offleasenotebooks
·3 years agoI don't like how they collect sales tax on behalf of international sales. I do not believe that money is going to the country in question. I would say it goes into an unclaimed funds loophole and then lines the pocket of a CEO as a bonus for ruining ebay and destroying it like Yahoo Auctions once did. Like MySpace, Ebay is going toward the realm of irrelevant
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoPersonally I had no problem providing a photo ID. The picture on my drivers license looks nothing like me. So when they sell that information to the companies that are building the facial recognition software it is basically going to be useless to big brother.
chapeau-noir
·3 years agoMine makes me look demented, and reminds me of the old joke that in the midst of...mutual passion...one hopes that they don't look like the picture on their driver's license.
General: There's a huge problem of fraud internet-wide, it's getting worse, and this is part of the effort to try to control it.
(I thought "sheeple" was really clever - have never heard that one before! 🤗)
adaecomsales
OP3 years agoI can see "asking for ID" for new sellers to combat fraud, but NOT years long sellers with stellar feedback. Why is everyone being punished?
chapeau-noir
·3 years agoIt's not being punished, it's a verification process - there are increasing problems with hijacked accounts, and one red flag is an older account with a low to moderate amount of feedback, particularly if you haven't been active selling lately, or have had intermittent activity - they seem to be particularly attractive to hijackers. It doesn't matter if the feedback is great or mediocre or whatever - hijackers don't care, and eBay doesn't care, they're just trying to prevent the problem.
ETA: Accounts are actually for sale online. I'm not going to link the site, but here's its snippet in Google: Buy cheap eBay Account for sale, including Seller & Business Accounts with feedbacks. Aged, Old, Verified and Unlimited eBay Accounts for sale, ...
monster-deals
·3 years agoWhy is verifying where to send your money to a punishment?
Seems to me NOT verifying your identity and no longer getting payouts is the punishment.
a_c_green
·3 years agoI dunno if I'd call that a "punishment," but it is certainly a logical outcome. If they're planning to send @a_c_green's money to @a_c_green's checking account, I would expect them to want to verify that I am in fact @a_c_green.
ms.rodriguez*
·3 years agoEverybody needs to be treated the same. Anyway, what if the seller died and someone not as honest took over the account. Ebay needs to be sure that you are who you say you are. They need to protect themselves too in situations where many sellers can have the same name. The only folks that need to be worried about ebay asking for a valid ID is those that do not have one that matches the name registered on the account.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoEverybody needs to be treated the same. Anyway, what if the seller died and someone not as honest took over the account. Ebay needs to be sure that you are who you say you are. They need to protect themselves too in situations where many sellers can have the same name. The only folks that need to be worried about ebay asking for a valid ID is those that do not have one that matches the name registered on the account.
Could not agree more with the "everybody" which includes buyers, sellers, guest accounts, etc. However, as with most things the criminals are becoming more sophisticated these days and they will find a way around this. The fake ID market is estimated to be around $10B worldwide.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoMine makes me look demented, and reminds me of the old joke that in the midst of...mutual passion...one hopes that they don't look like the picture on their driver's license.
General: There's a huge problem of fraud internet-wide, it's getting worse, and this is part of the effort to try to control it.
Fully agree with regards to the fraud but from what I see on this forum and what you read about in the news most of that is buyer fraud not so much the seller. The buyers are covered and in fact given the tools to commit the fraud so why is eBay not asking for the ID information from the buyer community? The following is a little dated by it gives you an idea of the problem and the numbers have probably grown.
https://financesonline.com/ecommerce-fraud-statistics/
The ONLY reason a photo ID would be required would have to be connected to some law enforcement entity using facial recognition software to possibly track crimes unrelated to fraud like money laundering or the movement of drugs or other contraband.
chapeau-noir
·3 years agoPhoto verification would be on file and matched for suspicious activity - chances are, hijacked account(s) would not be able to provide a match. The reasons could be made clearer (communication on this site isn't great - not as bad as Etsy, though, who doesn't really bother) and the process more consistent, but there is a real problem here being addressed.
slippinjimmy
·3 years agoBINGO! Glad to see I'm not the only one who understands this.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoBINGO! Glad to see I'm not the only one who understands this.
Understands what? Everybody already knows there are criminal issues with ecommerce but there is something more to this, as there is with most things the government does, but fails to inform everyone what is behind it As noted this is one sided focused on the seller population whose criminal activity probably pales in comparison to the criminal activity that takes place by the buyer community.
dbfolks166mt
·3 years agoPhoto verification would be on file and matched for suspicious activity - chances are, hijacked account(s) would not be able to provide a match. The reasons could be made clearer (communication on this site isn't great - not as bad as Etsy, though, who doesn't really bother) and the process more consistent, but there is a real problem here being addressed.
Matched to what and by whom? Maybe the law should have required your fingerprints and eBay should require sellers to use fingerprint recognition every time they access or logon to their account. It's a feature that is already available on some phones, along with facial recognition, although the facial recognition does not always work 100% of the time on my phone.
gloryglorygifts
·3 years ago"one hopes that they don't look like the picture on their driver's license."
100%. I look like a convicted felon, that was grilled for 24 hours, on mine
postcardcountry
·3 years agoWhen was the last time you went to the doctor?
They want your drivers license - photo ID - and scan it into their computer.
Every blessed one of them.
So why is it so terrible to send it to eBay?
adaecomsales
OP3 years agoThere are laws about medical information protection, but I've been to the doctor often and recently with the someone and they did not ask for a copy of any ID. It should be known most medical groups only want the info if they have to collect on a debt. But I have not yet been to any doctor that asked to see our ID, We started using Kaiser P recently and the same. If Ebay had a valid good reason they'd state it to support their demand. Ebay should be happy with SS numbers and checking if they are valid.
doc-holmes
·3 years agoSheeple. Brilliant.
gamersbaystore
·3 years agoAs others have already stated and I agree with, its the government that's demanding this information about sellers, not ebay. ebay is rather just complying with government regulations.
There's a lot of things I hate about this platform that I could complain about endlessly, but your argument is null.
inhawaii
·3 years agoYou have every right to dislike whatever it is that ebay requires of you.
If you don't like it, leave.
That'll show 'em.
lakefor94
·3 years agoYes, like inhawaii says, we can shoot 'em some birds and then ride off into the sunset.
lakefor94
·3 years agoSure do appreciate your stopping by with an age old rant we have seen here and across every other selling venue forum.
If any of us sellers want to keep collecting some change from eBay, we will be forking over the ID's on this site and all the rest that use a payment processor as stated by your government. EOS
hartungcards
·3 years agoConsidering that Pierre Morad Omidyar has a current net worth of 8.8 billion USD, I doubt he really cares how much eBay has changed since 1995.
blingfling123
·3 years agoYour beef is not with eBay but the federal government.
They are the ones that enacted the regulations that everyone from eBay to banks have to comply with.
eBay handles financial transactions. There are multiple Federal regulations around verification of identity when money is involved, and some of them have to be done periodically.
Then we have the IRS that has their set of regulations as well.
itsjustasprain
·3 years agoThe only piece of 'private' data on my drivers license that Ebay doesnt have already is my photo. Im pretty sure they dont care what I look like.
The reason they want to see a drivers license or state ID is because its issued by the government only after they have checked you out and verified your ID for themselves. Ebay cannot do the same verification of you from a distance so they ask to see your drivers license instead in order to confirm who you are.
stainlessenginecovers
·3 years agoIt's either required; or going to be and the 'processor for eBay' (NOT eBay) is requiring photo id to get ahead of the game due to all the fraudulent sellers and or 'thieving' sellers out in the world with stolen products etc.
So, I'm not going to tell you to 'just move on'...But, it's the way of this place and many more now and coming soon to a theatre near you.
The INFORM Consumers Act will verify high-volume third-party sellers by acquiring the seller’s government ID, tax ID, bank account information and contact information. High-volume third-party sellers are defined as vendors who have made 200 or more discrete sales in a 12-month period amounting to $5,000 or more
itscalledapostingid
·3 years agoWho would want to see Photo ID of Ebay's CEO and officers?
I wouldn't.
adaecomsales
OP3 years agoI don't know, maybe the people who lost money if Ebay were to close like the recent banks? Sadly you miss the entire point. We never know in these times what could happen. A better question would be "Why Ebay wants to see our Photo ID's" but I guess Sheeple don't care. How many dishonest sellers are there compared to buyers?
itscalledapostingid
·3 years agoAre you seriously suggesting ebay will "close" because of some financial turmoil that's unrelated to ebay?
adaecomsales
OP3 years agoAre you seriously asking a question after fully reading the post and reply? Was that said, please people stop assuming as you know where that leads. Your doing the suggesting and twice now
itscalledapostingid
·3 years agoYOU suggested ebay might close and people would lose money.
adaecomsales
OP3 years agoSuggested? I t was "what if" which can happen to any business today