De Minimis Ending For All Countries August 29, 2025
I'm just sharing the news here and would respectfully ask *everyone* to exercise self control to avoid this topic being moved to the Cafe where it will not be seen:
President Trump just signed an executive order that will move the suspension of the de minimis exemption for goods from all countries up to August 29, 2025 - previously it had been set for July 1, 2027.
- Effective August 29, imported goods sent through means other than the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the de minimis exemption will be subject to all applicable duties.
- For goods shipped through the international postal system, packages will instead be assessed duties according to one of the following methodologies:
- Ad valorem duty: A duty equal to the effective tariff rate imposed under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) that is applicable to the country of origin of the product. This duty shall be assessed on the value of each package.
- Specific duty: A duty ranging from $80 per item to $200 per item, depending on the effective IEEPA tariff rate applicable to the country of origin of the product. The specific duty methodology will be available for six months, after which all applicable shipments must comply with the ad valorem duty methodology.
- Longstanding exemptions under 19 U.S.C. 1321(a)(2)(A) and (B) remain in place – meaning American travelers can still bring back up to $200 in personal items and individuals can continue to receive bona fide gifts valued at $100 or less duty-free.
EDIT TO ADD: The link above to the fact sheet has been taken down (temporarily?) but the link to the page with actual executive order is still active (for now?)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/suspending-duty-free-de-minimis-treatment-for-all-countries/
Archived version of fact sheet:
198 comments
lordshashawnr
·9 months agoI am in the US. Recently I made a purchase from. an Australian seller. They mentioned all the above and even shared links of the terrifs. I was like that is fine. it looks like they will just include this in the sales price or something. then after the purchase they requested my PayPal so that they could send me an extra invoice for the terrif. This seemed highly suspect to me. they said that ebay told them to do this. is that right? ebay is telling Australian sellers to send an extra invoice after the purchase is finalized? and if so should ebay or the sellers be telling the buyers up front instead of just saying there is an extra terrif?
jdbelt1960
·10 months agoLooking at some of these responses remind of what a teacher told me. If you can't explain your point in one paragraph you don't have a point. Due to this issue I have went to make sure I have no shipping outside the US due to the US policies. Not that it has been an issue but to prevent future problems. The whole problem is nobody understands it which is why countries stopped shipments to the US altogether. I also wanted to add international crafts but that is set aside. It hurts small business period.
gurlcat
·10 months agoIt doesn't affect sales shipped FROM the US to other countries whatsoever, but if you want to give up the whole rest of the world market, that's up to you.
campanaelia
·10 months ago@gurlcat
What happens if an item is returned to the U.S., will they be subject to tariffs?
gurlcat
·10 months agoBeats me, eBay handles the returns and doesn't take the refund from the seller.
legendsvault101
·10 months agoI'm glad for america in the long term. How many companies have went under because of chinese goods? This will hurt chinese resellers on ebay and amazon and will be great for mom and pop shops who couldnt compete with walmart. Maybe this will allow for small companies to compete with big corporations and i can see that being a thing. Its walmart that destroyed my town. After walmart came into my town, it went bad. The mall closed, my families brick and mortar store shut down, now everyone goes to walmart, because the prices are the lowest, and there is no local culture because most of the family stores died. Walmart killed my town. Its just sad how the "capitalist" society went south. If trump really wanted to stop the bleeeding he'd put a tariff on walmart because no one can compete with it.
As a reseller, i can see the removal of de minimis being good for those who flip items from different stores or goodwill, as there will be much less competition. For sellers who get product from china it will hurt because their prices were so cheap. Something will need to happen or everyone will suffer. Instead of spending 500 billion on military, try giving it to the lower class, though i doubt that will happen. That stimulus bill better be 10,000$ because nothing will be affordable for a while.
th_88048
·11 months agoYeah, it's sad for the consumers. I have my degree in economics, and I understand why it's happening and why it has to happen. It is the best way for the country to handle the very dangerously shaky economy. It is better than complete austerity and both are better than the other way we escaped a collapse in the 1940s. We are facing what our fellow superpower faced in 1990s. Hopefully it won't last forever.
petencharlie
·11 months agoHere are some articles explaining what the fuss is in with the major UPU network in Switzerland that keeps track of all international shipment networks, plus how other online outlets are trying to navigate this sudden change with shipping couriers having to halt shipments on many packages to the US:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/06/postal-traffic-us-plunges
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/29/trump-tariffs-exemption-small-packages
briar.store
·11 months agoI just had a customer that the item was shipped to before this happened and arrived at the hub the day after it took effect. His tariffs on 3 items totaling $286.75 USD is £518.20 - $701.03 USD
That not only just blows my mind, but now it is at the hub, he can't afford to pick it up. He at first was mad at me until I explained it went through the eBay International Shipping program. We both reached out to eBay to find a resolution, but I am opting out of the program for now so it doesn't happen to anyone else.
comicscauldron
·11 months agoEbay is doing everything wrong. The Global Shipping program is a joke. I used to buy plenty stuff from US and Uk sellers but now its less thanks to that dumb program. Ebsy doesnt know about exemptions, harmonized codes , commercial agreements etc. They just charge lots of tsxes no matter what are selling
I am happy exporting in my own. Most of the collectible i sell, dont pay tarrifs.
lacemaker3
·11 months ago@briar.store, you are registered in the US, so were these items that were shipped from the USA to the UK?
The de minimis exemption only applied to purchases below $800 that were being imported into the USA. So ending the de minimis exemption also will only affect purchases that are being imported into the USA.
You said that you shipped with the eBay International Shipping (eIS) so your buyer had the choice to pay the import charges at checkout. If they had done that, they would not have had to pay anything to pick up their items. Most of the time, the charges if they pay at checkout are less than the estimated charges for paying at pickup, anyway.
You don't need to change anything. Your buyer should have paid the import charges up-front, instead of taking a chance on paying them later.
briar.store
·11 months agoThis is why I shouldn't trust AI summaries, it said it removed them for import and export. Not sure why it was so high, then, and clearly stated when he made the purchase.
lacemaker3
·11 months agoIt does seem very strange that the import charges would have been so high, for imports into the UK.
What were the item numbers? Where were they manufactured?
reclother
·11 months agoI now see the post.
Sorry for the tantrum, but I just needed to share this, because BBE is the most treating thing to your eBay business if you are an "Export" seller from one of the 190 countries which are not part of the good club countries.
Because it cal ruin, end your business overnight, while it may be not your mistake at all in the end.
I hope more people knows about it and they we will be able to make some difference.
I know I derailed slightly on this topic, but its part of the De mnis too for Export sellers.
More then ever, because now when all europe is frozen to post to US we must have canceled at least some orders because of it.
And word from eBay about our protection because of this international issue? NOTHING!
No protection at all! Just an generic email after one week to post the packages as DDP, thats all!
But how, if the DDP and the luck of its implementation across Europe postal services is the main reason shipping to US was stopped in the first place? Like they dont know it or what?
Why not to give us some nice words about defects protection during this really challenging period?
ed8108
·11 months agoThe end is now a reality
Govern yourself accordingly
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·11 months ago@ed8108
As a US based seller of used and vintage, sourced within the USA and with a history of relatively few international sales, the direct impact on my business will be, well, minimal. The indirect impact is more concerning:
1. Higher prices for even more items could mean more buyers pulling back on discretionary spending.
2. ebay has downplayed the risk to their bottom line, but remember ebay and etsy were the two companies most responsible for getting the limit increased from 200 to 800 a few years ago. Both companies have relied a lot on cross border trade since then. If that trade takes a serious hit, resulting in a loss of revenue, you can bet ebay will be looking for more ways to extract money from us. With many foreign sellers ending sales (at least for now) to the US....the biggest consumer market in the world...that could definitely result in a revenue hit. (Of course, from ebay's pespective, this might be counter-balanced to some extent by the fact that much of the stuff that does make it to US shores will be priced higher, and higher prices mean higher fees, which might offset some of the loss in the number of items being shipped.)
We do live in interesting times.
Only time will tell.
comicscauldron
·11 months agoThe fact that they want to pre charge the taxes is not a bad idea. problem is that if Ebay start to do that it will be the end for many sellers. Most of the products i sell, don´t pay taxes if i present the proper HS code , for example (printed matter like comic books , magazines books) and many products from Canada and Mexico pay 0 taxes if you present the right paperwork like certificate of origin. Ebay won´t care and will just charge 25% for Mexico and 35% for Canada. You can see that with their Global Shipping program. If i buy something from a global shipping seller i pay lots of taxes. If i buy the same product from a non global shipping seller i pay 0 taxes. The result : i avoid the global shipping sellers unless they have something very special for me. It will be the same with international sellers unless Ebay start to do the proper job
toomuchstuffagain35
·11 months agoSellers won't want to be prepaying taxes & tariffs for something which is the responsibility of the buyer I wouldn't think.
valueaddedresource
OP11 months agoIt may be too little, too late since it isn't rolling out until October and then by invite only but eBay just announced EIS is expanding to Canada.
https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Announcements/eBay-International-Shipping-is-coming-to-Canada-this-fall/ba-p/526003
valueaddedresource
OP11 months agoFor the Canadians:
Canada Post has confirmed they will be partnering with Zonos to collect duties. Shippers will need to have a Zonos Verified Account and information on how to create one through Canada Post will be coming soon.
vacheron_nl
·11 months agoThis does only work when your eBay store is NOT placed on eBay.com. Note; before there were some local eBay sites, the only option to start selling was and for some countries still is, on eBay.com.
It is for a reason there are so many options for sellers to choose from:
eBay could incorporate the taxes in the domestic payments options, where sellers have selected they are shipping from outside the USA. For Australia, Norway, the UK, New Zealand, Switserland and several US states eBay already collects VAT taxes. See here on 3/4rth of the page:
Paying tax on eBay purchases | eBay
This would help both the sellers and the buyers when ebay collects and remits. It would be a good buyer experience as buyers cannot be overcharged this way and do not pay double. But, just a thought...
healthhelpers
·11 months agolacemaker3
·11 months ago@valueaddedresource is that information available on the CP website yet?
Or is that screenshot from the message they have been sending to their business clients?
I am surprised that they expect all the shippers to create their own accounts with Zonos ... isn't there a bond requirement for payers? I expected that would cost a fair amount. Probably not worth it for a small business or a casual seller.
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/2025-08/factsheet_suspension_of_duty-free_de_minimis_treatment.pdf
Also, packages with "bona fide gifts valued at $100 or less" are supposed to be exempt from duties and tariffs, according to the fact-sheet below. But I don't see any way to send a gift, according to the info from Canada Post. The say the duties apply to "every package ... to the U.S."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-is-protecting-the-united-states-national-security-and-economy-by-suspending-the-de-minimis-exemption-for-commercial-shipments-globally/
My impression from Royal Mail UK is that they will pay the tariffs through their account, with information provided by shippers, who will pay a nominal fee for the service. The tariff and fee would, of course, be collected from the shipper when they purchase their shipping labels.
valueaddedresource
OP11 months ago@lacemaker3 sorry, I should have specified - that screenshot was from the email being sent to business clients. I have not seen anything else posted on the CP site yet.
Hopefully you're right and that won't apply to individuals and small businesses.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·11 months agoIt will be interesting to see what the actual impact will be once this has been in effect for some time. For larger foreign companies, manufacturers, exporters etc, here's a good (if somewhat technical) article with suggested ways to survive and even prosper:
https://www.globaltrademag.com/the-end-of-de-minimis-how-global-ecommerce-brands-can-adapt-and-win-in-the-new-u-s-trade-era/
I suspect larger businesses in particular will be able to weather this change, because they have the expertise and infrastructure to adapt. Smaller businesses (such as ebay sellers) who have been depending on de minimis might have more of a challenge.
It will certainly be interesting to see how different businesses adapt, and how American consumers respond to changes.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·11 months agoOne thing to keep in mind:
While the elimination of de minimis will reduce the convenience (from the consumer viewpoint) of receiving During "Bidenflation", economists were surprised to see prices did NOT go down even though historical trends said they should go down when they got too high, and consumers stopped buying....Historically, that reduced demand alone would be enough to drive prices down. Economists were surprised to see that , despite all the complaining, consumers continued to buy, which kept inflation elevated. And research demonstrated that this was because : While lower income buyers DID pull back, Americans with a lot of disposable income did NOT. They just kept buying. And , while they are not a majority of the population, they are the people who keep the consumer economy going. So......are there enough of them, and do they have enough disposable income (and confidence in the direction of the economy), to keep buying even as tariff induced inflation begins to mount?
gurlcat
·11 months agoJust to be clear, by "Bidenflation" are you talking about the mid-to-post-Covid period when virtually all companies were raising their prices on virtually everything, even if they didn't need to because the pandemic didn't affect their costs, but by doing it in unison with the ones who had no choice but to raise prices, none of them stood out to customers as greedy, and half of customers would just swallow blaming Biden regardless of actual cause?
Before considering your question of whether history will repeat itself, respectfully, I'm not sure you described the history quite accurately. -I do remember economists stating that observation of how goods kept selling even despite the inflation, but as for attributing that to wealthier customers carrying the trend, that's where I think it would be necessary to zoom in a bit, take a look at exactly what kinds of goods we're talking about. Pre-owned vehicle 'blue book' values for instance -they saw an unprecedented spike, because so many people who would have sprung for a brand new car were opting for slightly used instead (and those who'd normally buy slightly used were opting for 'more'-used, etc.; the increase in demand and therefore price went all the way down to "clunkers"). Meanwhile, things like food, toilet paper, school supplies, laundry detergent -even the poorest of the poor had to continue buying those things, one way or another.
And let's not forgot, the "one way or another" included lots of public assistance, given specifically with pandemic hardships in mind: extended unemployment compensation, PPP loans, extra child tax credits, student debt repayment pauses, even home eviction moratoriums.
As for what we'll see with the end of de minimus, I doubt the wealthy will carry those through a drop in demand. Remember, by definition, de minimus goods are "cheap" items, under $800. -Who has been buying those items all along, poorer people or richer people? And we certainly don't hear anything about this administration being interested in helping poorer people continue to pay for anything whatsoever.
I don't think ending the de minimus exemption will have an enormous impact, but all those other "America First" tariffs, applied to almost all countries for all kinds of goods, even including supplies for things made in the USA ..... yeah we're cooked. The first shoe hasn't even dropped yet, because so many companies have been 'eating' the tariffs for as long as they can. -None of the want to be the first in their industries to raise their prices, potentially driving away their customers to their competitors. Even one month of those losses would be catastrophic. Even if their competitors also raise their prices later, they'll retain some portion of those new customers, as they realize the price of EV-ER-Y-THING is rising, and they're too exhausted to keep switching who their go-to's are.
But make no mistake, they can't all keep eating the tariffs forever. The shoes are going start bonking us all on the head, HARD.
estate_echoes
·11 months agoYeah... but we will get factories (where no one wants to work) making the cheap products they make overseas.... except they will cost twice as much... for the same or inferior quality (think American Made automobiles).
I don't know.... tariffs usually have a net negative... maybe this will be different... because a reality TV star did them?
Anyone remember washing machine prices taking off? Both imported and made in the US?
Lets wait and see... like we did when it was claimed renegotiating trade deals would eliminate $19 trillion or so in debt. Even pre covid, someones own admin projected adding nearly $8 trillion during an 8 year presidential run.
dhbookds
·11 months ago@devon@ebay
@kyle@ebay
@elizabeth@ebay
Does ebay US have any plan to notify US BUYERS of the tariff shipping problems? Seems like it would be a good idea?
@valueaddedresource
have you seen/heard of any US buyer notifications?
valueaddedresource
OP11 months ago@dhbookds eBay has this page for US buyers and sellers, but I'm not aware of any specific proactive campaigns to bring more awareness to buyers.
https://pages.ebay.com/tariffs/
baltic_antiques
·11 months agoAnd again I see this eBay US… Is there such a platform?
I thought eBay.com is an INTERNATIONAL platform! If it were only in the USA and for the USA, it would never have reached such sizes!
I HOPE VERY MUCH that eBay management understands this and does something about the situation foreign sellers find themselves in. At least to start softening the BBE and then change the settings so we could operate for other countries, while temporarily restricting sales in the USA until delivery is implemented.
estate_echoes
·11 months ago5f8cd1c24f42071bb5724b22_eBay Worldwide .pdf
Lots of ebay international sites...
greenmangoes
·11 months agoIt would be beneficial if eBay could offer some flexibility regarding defects while we navigate these challenges.
Also, it would simplify the process for buyers if eBay incorporated the tariff fee at checkout, similar to how taxes and shipping costs are handled. This way, buyers would have a clear understanding of the total amount they are expected to pay, avoiding any surprises with additional fees.
I may have to close my shop, at least temporarily, as it seems to be the only way to avoid selling to the US and also to avoid getting defects. 😥
reclother
·11 months agoRise your shipping cost to 50 - 100 usd just for the US and leave the rest of the world as it is, or change the shipping service for US to "pick up only" that way you should avoid US buyers to buy your items, yet rest of the world can still buy and you avoid closing your shop.
I would rather see this hidden in the total cost of the item, so the byer buyer dont see how much "additional" fee they are paying. Its buying psychology stuff.
You more likely buy something showing price
50 usd + 15 usd shipping, than at checkout to see
42 usd + 8 usd customs + 15 usd shipping.
While both being same at the end, one has a feeling to it that you are paying more than you should...
baltic_antiques
·11 months agoI’m a seller of vintage items from Latvia.
I was fix all my listings and, instead of domestic shipping, I set up local pickup (the description shows that the product is located in Latvia).
Since in the eBay.com settings, domestic shipping is shipping within the USA, it means I effectively excluded shipping to the USA.
This option is currently the only thing I can do to avoid BBE sanctions, keep the store, and continue selling to other countries.
Those who advise moving the store to another eBay platform, let them first try to take a new photo and post with a description of more than 1000 different items. I did this for several years as they came in.
These are not drop-off Chinese clone goods that AI makes in seconds. This is serious work.
As far as I know, Etsy knows about the problem and supports sellers from all over the world.
What about eBay?
lacemaker3
·11 months ago@baltic_antiques, have you already done that, or are you planning to?
I looked at several of your listings, and they did have local pick up available, but only for buyers with a USA address. I'm afraid that is how it works. Local pick up is only available for buyers in the "domestic" region, and you can't block "domestic" shipping to the continental USA when you are listing on eBay USA, eBay.com. Buyers in Latvia still have to pay for shipping, they don't have local pick up available.
All of your listings also still had shipping available to the USA, as well as worldwide. Shipping to the USA had the same cost the same as shipping to any other country. I didn't think it was possible to turn off domestic shipping, but still have international shipping. So if you have already made the change, I don't think it has worked the way you thought it would.
Another seller in Europe has posted that he has increased the cost of shipping to the USA dramatically, meaning several thousand dollars, so that US buyers will be discouraged by the extremely high price of shipping to the US.
I'm sorry you're having to go through this. I hope that you don't have problems because of this.
Edit to add:
Etsy has announced that:
"... effective August 25, Etsy will be suspending shipping label purchases on Etsy for Australia Post, Canada Post, Evri and Royal Mail for US-bound packages. We are in close contact with these carriers and will reactivate label offerings on Etsy when they are able to support orders into the US with DDP options."
https://help.etsy.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001987487-Information-for-Managing-International-Shipments?segment=selling
eBay Canada, Canada Post, Royal Mail (UK) and DHL are also suspending shipments into the USA until they can arrange a DDP service that is in compliance with the USA Executive Order 14324.
https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Announcements/Updates-on-Canada-Post-amp-US-Imports/ba-p/526167
Royal Mail and DHL halt some US deliveries over tariffs | BBC
If the DDP shipping services they develop use the per-package fee option (as the easiest to implement) it will mean that each package will have an additional $80 to $200 tariff fee, depending on where the goods were manufactured. Either eBay will have to implement a way to add this cost at checkout, or sellers will have to add it to the flat-rate shipping cost for purchases delivered to the USA.
I don't think that will be sustainable for most eBay purchases, especially those under $100 or $200.
baltic_antiques
·11 months agoYes, I did it.
But as it turned out, I automatically lost the ability to sell worldwide. Fixing this took 3 days, since I had to do it manually for all 1,400 listings, at best in groups of 10–30 items.
DO NOT DO IT THAT WAY. Now I’ve made domestic shipping insanely expensive. I’d rather respond to letters about crazy shipping than persuade customers to cancel their purchases.
lacemaker3
·11 months ago@reclother
[Edit: @vacheron_nl, sorry, since you are in Netherlands, you are not an export seller and are not subject to the BBE Transaction policy.]
Do NOT start cancelling US transactions and refunding the buyers. They will be considered BBE transactions and will destroy your account, if you have more than a very few. Export sellers have come here looking for help, who have lost their selling privileges, permanently, because of as few as 2 - 4 BBE transactions.
Edit: eBay has published a new BBE Transaction policy, which will take effect for export sellers beginning on Aug 25, 2025. Please see details in the following post.
The only way that you can refuse to ship to a US buyer, without damaging your account, is to not list on eBay.com so that you can block shipping to the USA. This applies to all sellers who don't want to ship to US buyers.
lacemaker3
·11 months ago@reclother,
I just saw that eBay has updated the BBE Transaction policy for export sellers, beginning in 3 days from now, on Aug 25, 2025.
Metric 3. Seller fault unfulfilled rate: will still punish sellers if they don't ship an item and the buyer's money is refunded. I don't know if the phrase "due to their (seller's) act or omission" will protect the seller if they cancel shipments to the USA or not, but I doubt it.
Export sellers should decide whether they want to and can afford to continue to target the USA market. If you still want to emphasize sales to the USA buyers, then you need to find a shipping carrier that is integrated with eBay. You can search here, for carriers that are available in your country:
https://export.ebay.com/en/ebay-partners/?
Export sellers will also need to find a shipping carrier that offers Delivered Duty Paid (DDP) shipping service, because that is required by Executive Order 14324—Suspending Duty-Free De Minimis Treatment for All Countries. DDP means that sellers will have to prepay the duties.
If you want to stop selling to USA buyers until the situation has settled down and been resolved, then you need to stop listing on eBay.com, which is considered eBay USA because it is based in the USA.
reclother
·11 months agoALL WHO CAN. Go check your BBE dashboards. I am sure you will find new defects there for this new defect "Seller Fault Unfulfilled".
I have several new defects for this matric for the transactions which were posted, delivered and tracking umber was provided! Visible on the eBay order page as well!
The only thing which has those orders common is that they were refunded - all handled via messages, all doesn't fit or don't like it issues, no cases were involved.
My wife has 2 defects for the same transaction which had 2 items in it, again for "Seller Fault Unfulfilled".
One transaction was one defect always, now you are telling me that if someone orders 5 items from me in same transaction I will get 5 defects for the same transaction?
This will ruin some acocunts!
There is seriously something very wrong with it and its hopefully just some kind of bug and it will be solved soon. But so far it looks like that even if the item is shipped and delivered you will get a defect just because you refund the buyer...
Liek if that true, how FCK up is that? To be punished with a defect just for a mare fact of refund?
Its not even wrote like that in the policy!!!
Please go and write an email to ebay customer service if you have defects for "Seller Fault Unfulfilled" you think should not be defects! We must rise this point out so they know there is an issue with it!
enjoytreasure
·11 months agoOh well ..... starting tomorrow I will refund all US buyers; can't send those items by Fedex and all European postal companies will suspend shipments to USA . Will sell my stuff to the rest of the world .... but as we know that will probably change 20 times between now and 29th August ...... depends on the mood of the TACO ......
reclother
·11 months agoI am afraid it will be much more worst than "just" refund the buyers. If I am not mistaken you are also under the BBE (Bed buyer experience) policy, which means whar all canceled orders you will receive defects.
And like always, there is no one, yet on eBay export who will be able to help, even knowing this is an international issue. But with BBE defects they will block your store and hold your money...
That's the worst case scenario, hope this will never happen to you.
EBAY SHOULD BRING THE OPTION TO PUT US BUYERS ON SHIPPING EXCEPTION LIST SAME AS OTHER COUNTRIES. AT LEAST TMPORARILY, SO WE ARE NOT FORCE TO CLOSE OUR STORES!!!
I have 5000 active listing and I dont want to end them.
MY TEMPORARY SOLUTION:
Since it is not possible to block US buyers and I want keep my listings active for non US buyers the only option I have and what I can do is to change the shipping cost to US as high as possible, so it will be not worth buying for US buyers with that high shipping cost.
vacheron_nl
·11 months agohttps://export.ebay.com/en/fees-regulations-policies/ebay-policies/bber/
I’ve made a very nice message for the US buyers, explaining the situation. Refund done within the same day of that message with the reason that there is something wrong with the buyers address, as that is as close as the reason where the tariffs are concerned.
jonathanbrightlight
·11 months agoI would strongly advise against that. While it's true that cancellations for Problem with Buyer's Address won't be counted against you in your metrics, if the buyers report an inappropriate cancellation reason (which would be accurate if your listings don't exclude shipping to the US, which you can only do if you're listing on another eBay site like ebay.nl), you can definitely still get in big trouble and could still easily end up with your account shut down permanently.
I don't really have a much better solution other than just not listing on ebay.com, but the plan of cancelling with problem with buyer's address is high risk, and is against eBay policy.
vacheron_nl
·11 months agoAs I’m not out of stock and buyers would want to cancel, maybe that is the way to go.
The suggestion that eBay would drive all out of USA sellers away, I’m having a hard time to digest that.
kalondro
·11 months agoThe problem is that if you are subject to Bad Buyer Experience, where too many refunds initiated by seller could cause suspension.
Iam based at Portugal and iam forced to the metrics of "cancelations". And believe me, if you make 1 or 2 refunds by your initiative, you are flagged and ebay can apply selling limits...
estate_echoes
·11 months agoAnd those 'limits' include permanently shutting you down.
@kalondro I don't think it based on refunds though. From what I have seen, it is based on cases opened. Recently seller was permanently shut down because cases were opened... but the seller resolved them... sometimes sending a replacement item. The seller had 100% positive feedback. Permanently shut down.
kalondro
·11 months agojonathanbrightlight
·11 months agoCancellations are one of the worst things you can do on eBay. US sellers are penalized for excessive cancellations too, that's not at all unique to the BBE program, though I think the threshold may be slightly lower for export sellers. No one should ever cancel an eBay order if it is at all avoidable.
estate_echoes
·11 months ago@kalondro Sorry I thought you were talking about the potential for increased INR cases with the tariff debacle.
While that may be an issue, I see that you were actually talking about cancelling orders from US buyers to avoid that. As Jonathan said that is a really bad thing to.
howe1850
·11 months agoA couple of questions.
Any knowledge if eBay.com will make it possible to exclude all of the US in the shipping policies?
Any non-US sellers that still receive payments that aren't put "on hold"?
My payments starting August 7 went "on hold" (estimated release end of Sep 27 on the first payment) without any message or notification. Payments prior to this were always available the day after the next. Contacted customer service, and that branch from a certain part of the world didn't understand nor could answer my questions and closed my inquiry by the second message.
vacheron_nl
·11 months agoFor me as a seller located outside of the USA, using SixBit and have my store located on eBay.com, this is a challenging time….
In My eBay there is no way as of yet to charge USA buyers with a tariff (as Trump wants all parcels coming into the USA with tariff already paid, called PDDP (Postal Delivered Duties Paid). That's alike the Ebay International Shipping program, which at this time is only available for USA based sellers at this time.
So, I’m in a somewhat limbo.
* It's not possible to TEMPORARELY block USA based buyers as the store is on eBay.com.
* I also cannot pre-charge them the tariff as the GSP does.
As of today I’ve been informed that several EU based shipping companies will not ship to the USA as long as it’s not clear how USA-customs will handle this new situation. Do any of you have some thoughts on this, specially for me?
apmtrade
·11 months agoI am a Canadian seller in the same situation as many other international sellers.
I have for 22 years using Inkfrog, for listings on com.
When listing on com, we are not able to block USA.
Several European countries' Postal services have blocked service to the USA,
Due to the situation, unless eBay allows us to block the USA on com, I cannot see how we can solve the problems we are facing.
gurlcat
·11 months agoYour post is confusing. Each time you mentioned USA sellers, did you mean buyers???
vacheron_nl
·11 months ago@gurlcat , thanks, edited my post. Writing with emotion is never good..
lacemaker3
·11 months ago@vacheron_nl and @apmtrade,
If you wish to continue to emphasize sales to the US, you may want to look into finding a shipping company that can bring items into the US as DDP (Delivered Duties Paid).
In Canada, there are several companies that specialize in shipping to the US, and they are emphasizing DDP services for their clients going forward. Two that I have heard discussed on eBay Canada are Stallion and Chit Chats.
https://stallionexpress.ca/ and https://chitchats.com/en
Another company I have heard of, which I believe has a more global footprint, is OSM Worldwide. I don't know all the countries where they do business, or what services they offer, but I have received eBay shipments from the UK that were shipped into the US by OSM. They were shipped DDP, and handed off to the USPS for final delivery, with no additional import charges for the buyer.
https://www.osmworldwide.com/
I expect that there are other global companies that do this as well. I think they will all be making changes in their processes and services offered, in response to this changing situation. Probably switching over to DDP services.
With this approach, you would have to figure out how much to charge for the tariffs in advance, which could be quite challenging. This amount could be added to your shipping as a handling charge, or as flat rate shipping, so that you have the correct amount added for each item. The amount is based on the total cost of the item, and the country of origin, as I understand it. This could be implemented for fixed price items, but might be more difficult for auctions.
You might want to consider listing on an eBay site that is more local to your region, which would allow you to block US buyers if you need to, and to treat sales to the US region more individually, when you do allow sales. Then you would not be limited by having US sales being considered "domestic" sales.
You can list and sell on any eBay website, you don't have to confine yourself to the eBay site where your account or your store was registered. eBay Canada and eBay UK are the two I am most familiar with. You can work in English on both of them.
vacheron_nl
·11 months agoAs having been on eBay.com for over 25 years, that's where the link to my eBay store goes...when the traffic comes from bookmarks etc the change that is suggested will have a huge impact.
And, when using a program that manages inventory and is built mainly on eBay.com, there would be so many changes that it might be better to wait and see. As far as the end of Minimis goes; that I understand. But the lack of implementation or any communication of how USPS is going to handle charging tariffs, that's the main issue. When that is solved we can help our USA customers.
This is a good thought. When I can ship again to the USA that might be the way to go.
sin-n-dex
·11 months ago@vacheron_nl
Go read the Canadian sellers forum. Others in Canada have your problem.
C.
chapeau-noir
·1 year agoThanks, Liz @valueaddedresource !
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year ago@valueaddedresource Thanks for this update about ebay's Announcement:
https://www.valueaddedresource.net/ebay-updates-us-international-tariff-de-minimis-changes/
carlagraca
·1 year agoDoes anyone know if the flat 80-200 fee will affect antiques or US returned goods? They have 0% duties by US law. I'm an Europe based seller that sells many antique(100+ years) ephemera to the US I would love to know with a 100% certainty if antiques or US returned goods will suffer from this or not.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year ago@carlagraca I do not have a definitive answer for you. The tariffs imposed by the President are not amendments to existing tariff legislation, they are tariffs imposed by executive orders (which themselves may be challenged and potentially rendered void by the Courts). I am guessing the Orders will be implemented by the Customs Bureau , which may not feel bound by existing legislation. After all, the new de minimis executive order directly contradicts the recent law passed by Congress and signed by the President. But presumably the Customs Bureau will feel free to ignore Congress and Federal law in deference to the Executive Order (which is what we've been seeing so far).
Until and unless you see a very clear statement from Customs about this, I would err on the side of caution and plan for the tariffs. But at the same time, I would also consider that the Executive Orders could be shot down by the Supreme Court, or Customs might decide to follow the Order in part and Federal Law in other parts.
But if I were buying antiques from abroad, I would factor tariffs into the price while remaining hopeful that I won't have to pay them.
carlagraca
·1 year agoThank you! I think this is an acute case of "hope for the best, prepare for the worst".
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year ago@carlagraca That sums it up very well indeed.
fern*wood
·1 year agoI've noticed some of the biggest supporters have now gone silent. It has become too difficult to cover or explain in any credible way now.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoAntiques need special paperwork to show they are antiques, and it's not something you can just whip up on a computer (has to have any forging features, be from an appraiser they recognize, etc).
I sell antiques too, but would never call them antiques because they lack the necessary paperwork.
C.
chapeau-noir
·1 year agoI wonder if the duty exemption for antiques will be abolished as long as this housekeeping is taking place.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year ago@chapeau-noir We are in uncharted waters here. I wouldn't try to predict whether that will happen, but at this point, I would say, nothing is off the table.
chapeau-noir
·1 year agoI guess we're in for some...interesting...uh...times.
 
itziarjeter
·1 year agoLETS WAIT AND SEE WHAT TACO !!!! COMES UP WITH NEXT
chapeau-noir
·1 year agoSome of we unrepentant globalists (in the original sense of the word of being aware of the rest of the world, not the astardbay meaning it's recently been given by fanatics) find the entire thing alarming. World trade has been the engine of development and progress for centuries. Yes, it's has brought along bad things, as well, but nothing else has reach like trade and the exchange of knowledge, and what affects one country may affect the rest.
Now, both are bad? We're supposed to be isolationists while we grow poorer and stupider?
It's a plan, I guess.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year ago@chapeau-noir eBay Open is only a few weeks away and it will be interesting to see if ebay provides any advice for sellers about how to deal with the tariff situation. I realize it is a challenge even for ebay, since no one knows for certain whether the deadline will change or not, if rates will change, if waivers will be granted, etc.
But hopefully ebay will at least acknowledge that sellers face a real challenge...and won't simply ignore this.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year agoA few random thoughts:
About 70% of all de minimis packages were coming from China and Hong Kong, and the exemption was revoked for those two countries a while ago. Perhaps ebay could ask American ebay sellers who were drop shipping items from China and Hong Kong how they have adapted to that change?
I know there were ebay sellers --- and brick and mortar sellers---using the de minimis exemption to affordably source inventory from overseas. If they adapted by finding sources other than China and Hong Kong, what plans do they have now? I wonder if some small sellers might find it worthwhile to set up a coop of sorts to bulk import some of these items to a warehouse? This would, of course, have its own challenges, but might make sense for some types of inventory.
Maybe ebay (or some third party) could try to put together a list of American manufacturers who would be interested in providing specific types of products, just as the Chinese I believe have done in the past? Of course, costs for many such items would likely be higher than they had been for Chinese/foreign products, but might not be too far off when compared to Chinese costs inclusive of tariffs?
Again, I sell used and vintage, mostly sourced and sold domestically, so my business model won't need to change due to the direct impact of this change. Whether the overall impact of this change will increase or reduce my sales remains to be seen.
dinomitesales
·1 year agoChiming in here as a Canadian seller that doesn't often frequent these boards (but does frequent the Canadian boards).
I understand how the majority of sellers here don't see this as a major issue, because the majority of you are American sellers selling to other Americans (or to international buyers via the eIS). But this change in de minimis is devastating for any international seller outside of the US that regularly sells to Americans. I get that these regulations are intended to protect American companies and impede the entry of drugs into the country, but that is hardly relevant to the sellers of used goods operating on eBay; the mom and pop shops selling vintage dishware, clothing, retro video games, or other collectibles to an American userbase that may not be able to get them anywhere else. All I ask is that you think with compassion towards your fellow sellers in other countries - I've seen way too many posts on other forums basically summarized as "screw them, they deserve it" and it's very disheartening.
A few points from a Canadian perspective that the American sellers may not be privy to:
doc-holmes
·1 year agoWhat you need to keep in mind is many, not all, but many Americans really don't care about any of these points. It's America First, and that's it. They're protectionists, and don't agree with globalization. Somene on here even had the nerve to suggest it should be up to Canadians to lower their prices to compensate Americans for any American tariffs.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year ago@dinomitesales well, you have my sympathy, I just wish I had some good advice. I do think a fair number of American sellers are directly impacted by this, whether they have been using de minimus to dropship or whether, as @chapeau-noir explains, they have been using it to source inventory to sell, either on line or in the brick and mortar world. As I mentioned above, the increase from $200 to $800 was largely result of lobbying efforts by eBay and Etsy some years ago... And I think that is strong evidence that, even if the number of American sellers using this is relatively small, the dollar volume of sales is probably relatively large.
You don't see much about this on this board, because the composition of the board is primarily American sellers who source within the US and largely sell within the US. But don't let that convince you that there are no American sellers who are directly concerned with this and its impact on their business. I assure you, there are plenty of sellers here who are just as concerned as our Canadian friends.
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoA lot of us Canadian sellers (including myself) send packages worth less than $100 across the border.
We would be willing to accept $800 is a lot and it needs to be lowered. They can assess an $80 to $200 flat rate fee on a package containing a $5 token. That's why Canadian sellers think this is ridiculous. Perhaps customers would be OK paying a tariff on a $5-10 item if it's by the appropriate tariff rate, but when the flat rate is applied for money grab purposes, packages get refused (and even though eBay rules say you don't have to refund, try arguing that point and actually winning a BOT decided case like that from an INR).
Did you know if a UPS or FedEx package gets assessed a tariff and the buyer doesn't pay, UPS and FedEx come after the seller for the money. It's a struggle outside of Canada to get any sales in the first place, but to be out shipping and have to pay tariffs on a refused item can be a large financial punishment for some. (Yes, I know, don't use couriers... not everyone selling knows this can happen until it happens to them).
C.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year ago@sin-n-dex I think it is still possible that this will change, but unfortunately, for now, I guess one has to pretty much take it as it is. I wonder if there has been any discussion among Canadian sellers about "partnering" with a US based seller?
sin-n-dex
·1 year agoI have one partner in the US, but it would become complicated. We're not exchanging inventory right now because of the potential for tariffs (on both countries).
C.
sin-n-dex
·1 year ago@dinomitesales
Very well said. I've been trying to stay out of these threads since I no that most people in the US don't care about some random Canadian stamp & coin dealers problems shipping items to the US, but I have lots of customers that buy Canadian and British items because they are plentiful to me where I get them and desired in the US. My customers don't want to pay tariffs to keep collecting items and the tariffs limit where they can shop to fill the holes in their collection.
Canada has a very low de minimis and I've had to deal with years and years of importing goods and paying taxes to receive my packages (sometimes and over valued assessments because CBSA just makes up a value if they don't like the declared value). I did not like my packages showing up with customs, and I'm sure none of my customers will like it either.
Also the percentage of tariff is one thing, but there's talk about a flat rate duty for import that can be assessed which would make it ridiculous for anyone to import anything of small value (and the buyer doesn't know if they'll get hit with this or not, so they err on the side of caution and don't buy from international sellers).
C.
sreu3058
·1 year agoYes, the uncertainty + slow sales = hard to get motivated
sreu3058
·1 year agoMaybe the the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics got fired for:
June and May totals were revised sharply lower, down by a combined 258,000 from previously announced levels.
The June total came down from the previously stated 147,000, while the May count fell to just 19,000, revised down by 125,000.
(The revising)
Not defending! I just think the revising the previous 2 months data was the hammer.
As for lying, the only trait I truly hate is a liar.
My feeling/ guess the August 29 deadline will hold.
chapeau-noir
·1 year agoYes, they were revised downward, but she still got fired in a fit of petty revenge. The BLS is not perfect, no one is, but they routinely revise data as more information comes in - sometimes upward, sometimes downward.
A true leader asks "How do we fix this" not "I don't like these numbers so they're fake."
Now, I think I'll go fire my bathroom scale because I don't like what it says, either.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·1 year ago@sreu3058 "My feeling/ guess the August 29 deadline will hold."
Well, I think there is a very good chance that it will indeed hold. And, as I've said before, I'm a US seller, I don't drop ship, whether the de minimis exemption ends on August 29th or in 2027 , well, I don't have to alter my business model, so it is not something I really need to think about.
But....it might not hold. The Courts might decide the President has exceeded his authority. Or the President might simply change the effective date, as he has done in the past. Or he might narrow down which countries or industries are impacted, etc.
Aside from Canadian (or other foreign) sellers, I don't think we really have posters here who are directly impacted by this. But when I ask myself what would I do if I were a drop shipper, I can see just how difficult this is: An American seller whose entire business model is based on , say, designing a product, having it made in Switzerland (No US manufacturers available), and shipped via de minimis.....has now got to make a decision. If he makes a fairly drastic decision...maybe completely terminates the business before the 29th, because he can't absorb the tariff costs...and then discovers the date has been moved, perhaps even to 2027....well, I can understand that he is in a very difficult situation.
And I would think it is especially frustrating when he considers that the US lawmaking body declared the end date to be 2027, which gave him a set date and a good bit of time to adapt his business to the change. So, he probably figured, OK, this is going to end, but I've got time to work things out, Congress said so. And then, very soon thereafter, this executive order essentially overrules the US Congress by ordering a date which provides far less time.
I have a lot of sympathy for such sellers, and am very glad I'm not faced with the decisions they have to make.
chapeau-noir
·1 year agoInterestingly, the de minimis does impact clothing sellers, and directly - for instance, the dumping of low-value fast fashion. Yes, it does come by the container load, but there's also brisk trade in cheap small wholesale (I can get two gaylords of the stuff for under $800...if I want a lot of junk), individual sales, etc. I can see its impact rolling through the resale market, all the way from acquisition to pricing.
Right now, I'm not sure which way to go on this - even for a flyspeck business like myself, uncertainty is an issue.
But yes, there are a lot of subtle effects all over resale not directly related to specific imports, but rather impacting choice and more subtle demand - harder to pin down.
nh_sales_lv
·1 year agoMinimi lol I should start selling these
Minimi's â¤ï¸ Love it
youn2240
·1 year agoI predict Trump's plans don't work out to help the American consumer but he will convince a bunch of boomers that it was the radical leftists fault for his failed plans.
sreu3058
·1 year agoToday’s ‘Jobs Report’ for July is weak, last few months revised lower, stock market ‘tumbling’
I hope the next move is a tax/ tariff on American Corporations who source out American jobs to other countries. I have family members and friends who have worked for large American Corporations, US citizens get dismissed, and the employees that are left are then required to train remotely over the phone and computer people from other countries who have replaced their co-workers, obviously for less money.
I also don’t think American employees would have trouble ‘returning to the office/ no more work from home’ if indeed ALL the employees were required and not sourced outside our country for less money.
This is not ‘manufacturing’ but white collar jobs we are constantly losing in America.