Beware! I am OPTED OUT of eBay's new international shipping, but I was charged an additional 1.3% selling fee because the buyer's registered address was in France.International Fee Charged because the buyerâ€™s registered address is in France. There was no indication of this in the shipping address. The ship to address was in Delaware, a Freight Forwarder with a SUITE NUMBER , not a PMB or PO Box, in Delaware USA. In order to determine his address, we have to click on...

Actual bottom line.

It's eBays platform, they have the right to set the fees how they want.

You agree to those fees to sell here.

If you don't agree to the fees then don't sell here.

It's pretty simple.

theoriginalbenjammin-7

OP1 year ago

493 View listings

Bottom line is additional fees should be borne by the buyer using the mail drop or freight forwarder as we have no control over being charged additional fees if the buyer uses a freight forwarder to circumvent the opting out of the EIS Program.

However this transfer of obligation of payment is often shifted to the seller.

Transaction costs legal definintion:

These fees are often legal and are paid to the party that helped facilitate the exchange of goods or services.

Just cause its legal don't make it right. Think!

fern*wood

·2 years ago

10492 View listings

I was under the impression that anyone using the EIS program would not be charged the extra fee, so I definitely opted in. They also handle any returns.

fern*wood

·2 years ago

10492 View listings

I went back to look at my fees for my recent international sale and I was only charged the 12.35%. So you might want to opt in to the EIS program if the fee was what upset you.

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

I was under the impression that anyone using the EIS program would not be charged the extra fee, so I definitely opted in. They also handle any returns.

You would be correct eBay did away with the international fee under EIS. Under EIS there are basically no returns other than the buyer sending it back to the EIS hub. EBay keeps and does something with those items I am assuming similar to what Amazon does with all their returned items. The actual seller protections under EIS protect the seller from about any buyer recourse once the item has reached the hub, even from chargebacks.

theoriginalbenjammin-7

OP2 years ago

493 View listings

Since I can not edit I'll add, We were not charged this fee when using Global Shipping. The new format does not indicate on the shipping page this is an international out of USA buyer. eBay should charge the buyer a flat fee for using this service, say 1.5%. Sellers are already paying upwards of 15% or more selling fees on certain items.

Any surcharge IE "Currency Conversion Fee" should IMHO be paid by the buyer. He's already paying his freight forwarder for postage/shipping and fees customs etc, So what's an additional +- 1.3% The address has the PO box as a suite number STE means suite. This is NOT a suite but rather a PMB personal mail box and should be designated as so. Using the "Suite (STE)" designation is in my opinion sneaky business.

Thank you for your replies, we all have our opinions. I was caught off guard by this, as I had opted out of the new international shipping format. Do the math, millions of sellers X 1.3% (avg up to 1.7% or more) fees paid by the seller.

Little add on fees known as the 'Bump" most people wouldn't even notice this. I was in the retail business most of my life and these little fees and add-ons are surreptitious ways to milk the customer for just a little more.... it adds up over time.

Ever bought a used car at a dealership? All those little fees add up!

janet9988

·2 years ago

127 View listings

According to ebay policy you only need to OFFER ebay international shipping to avoid paying an international fee.

So even if your foreign buyer uses a USA address you will not be charged the fee IF you OFFER EIS.

slippinjimmy

·2 years ago

4 View listings

@janet9988 wrote:
According to ebay policy you only need to OFFER ebay international shipping to avoid paying an international fee.

So even if your foreign buyer uses a USA address you will not be charged the fee IF you OFFER EIS.

A listing that is sold to a buyer with a US shipping address is NOT "an eligible item". If the buyer is registered on a non-US eBay site you will be subject to the International Fee.

janet9988

·2 years ago

127 View listings

@slippinjimmy wrote:
@janet9988 wrote:
According to ebay policy you only need to OFFER ebay international shipping to avoid paying an international fee.

So even if your foreign buyer uses a USA address you will not be charged the fee IF you OFFER EIS.
A listing that is sold to a buyer with a US shipping address is NOT "an eligible item". If the buyer is registered on a non-US eBay site you will be subject to the International Fee.

If EIS is OFFERED on the listing then it IS ELIGIBLE... other wise ebay would not have put EIS on that listing.

rugerskick

·2 years ago

2378 View listings

Heres how these people cant buy your items.

You need to go into your business policies shipping prefences, and specifically exclude all the countries/areas/ continents you don't ship to. Include North America to exclude Mexico and Canada (I am assuming you are a usa seller).

If you dont exclude all other countries, your listings still show internationally even though your shipping policies are us only. This is how a foreign seller can do the freight forward way of bypassing your desire not to do international orders. You have to exclude all countries in every single shipping policy you have in order to prevent this.

slippinjimmy

·2 years ago

4 View listings

@rugerskick wrote:
Heres how these people cant buy your items.

You need to go into your business policies shipping prefences, and specifically exclude all the countries/areas/ continents you don't ship to. Include North America to exclude Mexico and Canada (I am assuming you are a usa seller).

If you dont exclude all other countries, your listings still show internationally even though your shipping policies are us only. This is how a foreign seller can do the freight forward way of bypassing your desire not to do international orders. You have to exclude all countries in every single shipping policy you have in order to prevent this.

None of that will do anything, foreign buyers that use a forwarder located in the US have their primary address set to the US, none of the blocks you mention block BUYERS by country, they only block SHIPPING by country.

rugerskick

·2 years ago

2378 View listings

It actually can/does work.

It removes your listings off the foreign ebay site servers, so those foreign buyers will never see your items on their sites in england, or france, or wherever, in the first place. They won't know your items exist in the first place because Ebay makes it so they won't be visible/shown to them to browse or find in their searches.

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

It actually can/does work.

It removes your listings off the foreign ebay site servers, so those foreign buyers will never see your items on their sites in england, or france, or wherever, in the first place. They won't know your items exist in the first place because Ebay makes it so they won't be visible/shown to them to browse or find in their searches.

When eBay stood up the EIS program I believe they made a few changes and while the buyers may see the items they also see a message related to shipping. For example one of you items, since you do not ship to the UK.

rugerskick

·2 years ago

2378 View listings

Hmmm. Well then I am the victim of incorrect information from Ebay, again.

marnotom!

·2 years ago

Quite frankly, I don't get why there's all this Sturm und Drang over what would amount to a very small proportion of sales for a typical American eBay seller. Non-US buyers using freight forwarders are trying to meet a seller's shipping terms, not circumvent them.

robbie31415

·2 years ago

Because people love to complain about everything. ðŸ¤·

susanb1872

·2 years ago

478 View listings

I don't sell international and I don't think I have sold to FF. I have a certain setting in preferences checked off shown in the screen shot--would this help? Maybe the experts can confirm this.

marnotom!

·2 years ago

@susanb1872 wrote:
I don't sell international and I don't think I have sold to FF. I have a certain setting in preferences checked off shown in the screen shot--would this help? Maybe the experts can confirm this.

If the address of a US-based freight forwarder is a buyer's primary shipping address, that buyer will be able to purchase your items as it the item will be shipped to a country that you ship to.

jbbowers12012

·2 years ago

3831 View listings

Agreed - Sellers should be notified. However, it really does not matter much. When the buyer pays the seller still has to ship them their item. My Pops always said "dont' sweat the small stuff". A sale is a sale & the %age is minimal. We all need every sale that we can get these days. Good Luck Everyone!

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cstpos

·2 years ago

2337 View listings

@theoriginalbenjammin-7 We have a few customers based in Europe who own and ship to the companies they own in the United States. The payment, however, is based in the country of the parent company, so we are charged a "currency conversion" fee for foreign transactions. Most credit cards based in the USA also charge a currency conversion fee for individuals, too.So if you vacation in England, for eaxample, your cc statement might include the currency conversion fee for all of your purchases made with that card.

It doesn't seem fair to prevent sellers from blocking transactions that impact your bottom line, but we all agree to it when we transact on ebay. I know the Terms of Service agreements are long and tedious to read, but it does tell us what we can expect. We can then decide if we want to continue to do business on any given platform, not just ebay.

We considered selling on Amazon, but they make you agree to shipping conditions and how much you can charge for shipping that would mean we would probably lose money. So we decided it wasn't a viable platform for us.

stephenmorgan

·2 years ago

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/fees-credits-invoices/selling-fees-managed-payments-sellers?id=4822#section8

@cstpos wrote:
@theoriginalbenjammin-7 We have a few customers based in Europe who own and ship to the companies they own in the United States. The payment, however, is based in the country of the parent company, so we are charged a "currency conversion" fee for foreign transactions. Most credit cards based in the USA also charge a currency conversion fee for individuals, too.So if you vacation in England, for eaxample, your cc statement might include the currency conversion fee for all of your purchases made with that card.
It doesn't seem fair to prevent sellers from blocking transactions that impact your bottom line, but we all agree to it when we transact on ebay. I know the Terms of Service agreements are long and tedious to read, but it does tell us what we can expect. We can then decide if we want to continue to do business on any given platform, not just ebay.
We considered selling on Amazon, but they make you agree to shipping conditions and how much you can charge for shipping that would mean we would probably lose money. So we decided it wasn't a viable platform for us.

The Currency Conversion Fee for foreign transactions is a different fee the the International Fee of 1.65%. The two Fees are distinguish in policy. The Currency Conversion Fee is 3% to eBay plus what ever is charged by the one doing the exchange.

International fee

If your registered address is in the US and you offer eBay International Shipping for your eligible listings, you won't be charged an international fee when your eligible item sells.

If you're not using eBay International Shipping to ship your item, we charge an international fee if either:

The delivery address for the item (entered by the buyer during checkout) is outside the US, or
The buyer's registered address is outside the US (regardless of the delivery address for the item)

This fee is calculated as 1.65% of the total amount of the sale and is automatically deducted from your sales.

If your registered address is not in the US, please refer to the fee page for your country or region of residence for your international fee information.

Seller currency conversion charge

When you create listings or sell items on an international eBay site, eBay may convert your funds to a different currency in order to collect amounts owed by you to eBay, or to payout funds due to you.

For example, if your registered address is in the US and you create a listing on eBay.de for which fees are due (such as insertion and/or optional listing upgrade fees), eBay will convert your funds from USD to EUR using the transaction exchange rate applicable at the time of listing, in order to collect these fees. When the item sells on eBay.de, eBay will calculate your payout amount by converting the sales proceeds from EUR to USD using the transaction exchange rate applicable at the time of the sale.

If eBay converts your funds, the conversion will be completed at the transaction exchange rate we set for the relevant currency exchange. eBay's transaction exchange rate is composed of a base exchange rate plus a conversion charge. The conversion charge is a fixed percentage applied to the base exchange rate and retained by eBay. The base exchange rate reflects rates within the wholesale currency markets applicable to the currency pairing on the day of the conversion, or the prior business day. If exchange rates are set by law or regulation, the base exchange rate reflects the government reference rates.

If your registered address is in the US, the seller currency conversion charge applied and retained by eBay is 3%. If your registered address is not in the US, please refer to the fee page for your country or region of residence for your seller currency conversion charge information.

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

@theoriginalbenjammin-7 We have a few customers based in Europe who own and ship to the companies they own in the United States. The payment, however, is based in the country of the parent company, so we are charged a "currency conversion" fee for foreign transactions. Most credit cards based in the USA also charge a currency conversion fee for individuals, too.So if you vacation in England, for eaxample, your cc statement might include the currency conversion fee for all of your purchases made with that card.

It doesn't seem fair to prevent sellers from blocking transactions that impact your bottom line, but we all agree to it when we transact on ebay. I know the Terms of Service agreements are long and tedious to read, but it does tell us what we can expect. We can then decide if we want to continue to do business on any given platform, not just ebay.

We considered selling on Amazon, but they make you agree to shipping conditions and how much you can charge for shipping that would mean we would probably lose money. So we decided it wasn't a viable platform for us.

The international fee charged by eBay has nothing to do with currency conversion that is charged by the CC company directly to the account holder. The international fee is a left over dinosaur from the CC companies. Most CC companies have done away with it but why would eBay dump something that is earning them revenue.

broto_64

·2 years ago

This extra fee for this type of sale is merely a "return insurance" purchase we make, albeit semi-involuntarily. What it means is, for a mere 1.65% more money there is guaranteed No Returns on this order because quite simply put the buyer can not return the order to the seller, ever, no matter what.

Which, roughly 2 out of 100...
I think I get more returns than that.

soh.maryl

·2 years ago

110 View listings

"The buyer cannot return the order to the seller, ever, no matter what"?

Can you explain that statement further?

stephenmorgan

·2 years ago

@broto_64 wrote:

This extra fee for this type of sale is merely a "return insurance" purchase we make, albeit semi-involuntarily. What it means is, for a mere 1.65% more money there is guaranteed No Returns on this order because quite simply put the buyer can not return the order to the seller, ever, no matter what.

Which, roughly 2 out of 100...
I think I get more returns than that.

There is a known scam that as soon as your item arrives at the re-shipper the buyer can claim not as described. When you require the item to be sent back they will order a random item of low value from a random retailer and have it sent to you or to an address within your same zip code. eBay will force you to refund after the item is delivered.

I did a International shipment yesterday and that additional 1.65% Fee was $4.40

So actually $4.40 is 10.98% of the total fee of $40.06

marnotom!

·2 years ago

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy?id=4210#specialcoverage-snad

@stephenmorgan wrote:
There is a known scam that as soon as your item arrives at the re-shipper the buyer can claim not as described. When you require the item to be sent back they will order a random item of low value from a random retailer and have it sent to you or to an address within your same zip code. eBay will force you to refund after the item is delivered.

Items "collected by a third party on behalf of the buyer" are not eligible for the Money Back Guarantee. There are also related MBG exclusions listed on this page:

stephenmorgan

·2 years ago

@marnotom! wrote:
@stephenmorgan wrote:
There is a known scam that as soon as your item arrives at the re-shipper the buyer can claim not as described. When you require the item to be sent back they will order a random item of low value from a random retailer and have it sent to you or to an address within your same zip code. eBay will force you to refund after the item is delivered.
Items "collected by a third party on behalf of the buyer" are not eligible for the Money Back Guarantee. There are also related MBG exclusions listed on this page:

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy?id=4210#specialcoverage-snad

In order for any of this to apply you have to prove that the person did not received the item. eBay has already stated you have no idea if the buyer picked up the item there or works at that location and received the item. Until you can prove this it is just a suspicion the item will be forwarded. Do you think the scammer is going to tell you the item will be forwarded to them? This is why it is called a scam and works so well.

marnotom!

·2 years ago

@stephenmorgan wrote:

In order for any of this to apply you have to prove that the person did not received the item. eBay has already stated you have no idea if the buyer picked up the item there or works at that location and received the item. Until you can prove this it is just a suspicion the item will be forwarded. Do you think the scammer is going to tell you the item will be forwarded to them? This is why it is called a scam and works so well.

How does someone in another country make use of a return label intended for use within the US?

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

@stephenmorgan wrote:

In order for any of this to apply you have to prove that the person did not received the item. eBay has already stated you have no idea if the buyer picked up the item there or works at that location and received the item. Until you can prove this it is just a suspicion the item will be forwarded. Do you think the scammer is going to tell you the item will be forwarded to them? This is why it is called a scam and works so well.

How does someone in another country make use of a return label intended for use within the US?

The return label issued or provided by the seller is from the FF back to the seller. The buyer is responsible for getting it from their location back to the FF.

stephenmorgan

·2 years ago

@marnotom! wrote:
@stephenmorgan wrote:

In order for any of this to apply you have to prove that the person did not received the item. eBay has already stated you have no idea if the buyer picked up the item there or works at that location and received the item. Until you can prove this it is just a suspicion the item will be forwarded. Do you think the scammer is going to tell you the item will be forwarded to them? This is why it is called a scam and works so well.
How does someone in another country make use of a return label intended for use within the US?

Oh my! They don't!

Anyone from anywhere in the world can have something sent to your address. All they need to know is your address. They are not required to use the return label that is generated for them on eBay. They order something from a company and have it shipped to your address. This is what makes the scheme so easy to pull off. They enter the Tracking Number provide for the item being sent to you into the eBay return page. Once eBay sees it is delivered either you refund the person or eBay does it on your behalf.

You may not even realize why you received this random item. Also the item could be sent to a random address within you zip code and you would still be waiting on the return while the person has already asked eBay to step in and refund them. You will be notified when eBay has decided you will refund, you will get a Defect on your account and will be charged the Final Value Fees on the sale of the item.

It is a very cleaver scheme that is very hard to get resolved in your favor.

In addition any one with a computer and printer can print out the return label and use it to send a empty box to you. All they need is a contact in the US to do this for them.

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

â€Ž10-11-2023 10:43 PM - edited â€Ž10-11-2023 10:45 PM

@marnotom! wrote:
@stephenmorgan wrote:

In order for any of this to apply you have to prove that the person did not received the item. eBay has already stated you have no idea if the buyer picked up the item there or works at that location and received the item. Until you can prove this it is just a suspicion the item will be forwarded. Do you think the scammer is going to tell you the item will be forwarded to them? This is why it is called a scam and works so well.
How does someone in another country make use of a return label intended for use within the US?

Oh my! They don't!

Anyone from anywhere in the world can have something sent to your address. All they need to know is your address. They are not required to use the return label that is generated for them on eBay. They order something from a company and have it shipped to your address. This is what makes the scheme so easy to pull off. They enter the Tracking Number provide for the item being sent to you into the eBay return page. Once eBay sees it is delivered either you refund the person or eBay does it on your behalf.

You may not even realize why you received this random item. Also the item could be sent to a random address within you zip code and you would still be waiting on the return while the person has already asked eBay to step in and refund them. You will be notified when eBay has decided you will refund, you will get a Defect on your account and will be charged the Final Value Fees on the sale of the item.

It is a very cleaver scheme that is very hard to get resolved in your favor.

In addition any one with a computer and printer can print out the return label and use it to send a empty box to you. All they need is a contact in the US to do this for them.

And how is this any different than what a domestic buyer can do?

cardxcraft

·2 years ago

3760 View listings

How do you expect to prove the buyer used a freight forward service?

Ebay has stated: "the buyer must admit, in writing, to using a freight forward or third party service".

The seller is taking on additional liability by shipping to a freight forward service: not only does the seller have to get the item delivered with a scan to ff, but they're also responsible for what happens from ff to buyer. Let's face it, if a problem arises, I doubt buyers are going to admit to using a ff.

The only fair solution is to allow sellers to opt out of selling to buyers with foreign payment sources and/or having Ebay accounts with non-USA registered addresses.

As more and more scammers discover this loophole, and sellers continue to express their dissatisfaction, I believe this option will soon be available.

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

How do you expect to prove the buyer used a freight forward service?

This has generally been the issue with resolving claims where a FF was involved. Because of all the automation in the claims process eBay has no clue the item went through a third party and the burden is on the seller to provide that proof.

Ebay has stated: "the buyer must admit, in writing, to using a freight forward or third party service".

Not exactly. I don't remember the exact wording and it has varied over the years but it is more along the lines of proving the item moved forward to an international destination from the FF once received.

The seller is taking on additional liability by shipping to a freight forward service: not only does the seller have to get the item delivered with a scan to ff, but they're also responsible for what happens from ff to buyer.

Not accurate. Once delivered to the FF, with some caveats, the sellers job is complete.

Let's face it, if a problem arises, I doubt buyers are going to admit to using a ff.

The only fair solution is to allow sellers to opt out of selling to buyers with foreign payment sources and/or having Ebay accounts with non-USA registered addresses.

The international fee has nothing to do with the payment source it is based on the shipping address or the buyers registered address. From a buyers perspective they will simply find a seller or another site that will meet their needs. Given that almost 50% of eBay's transactions are international as a seller I am not willing to forgo that segment of the market place.

I am also not willing to close off the market of foreign buyers that are temporarily living in the US and happen to have a non US registered account and a US address, or those that are living overseas and are shopping and shipping items to friends and family in the US.

The reverse also applies to those US registered buyers who may be living overseas or buying and shipping to friends and family overseas. Another segment of the market I am not willing to abandon.

As more and more scammers discover this loophole, and sellers continue to express their dissatisfaction, I believe this option will soon be available.

I doubt that is high on eBay's priority list as an option as they tend to shy away from things that drive buyers away from the site especially in the current market place environment. There are probably better odds that eBay will eliminate the international fee and those odds are very small.

Of a bigger concern to me is eBay's inaction on implementing ways to reduce the chargeback and friendly fraud that is taking place on the site. Obviously they have done so with the EIS program which has better seller protection for international sales that what is available for domestic transactions.

monica-sells

·2 years ago

91 View listings

"...So actually $4.40 is 10.98% of the total fee of $40.06..."

and 3 is the square root of 9

the relevance of your observation escapes me.....

stephenmorgan

·2 years ago

@monica-sells wrote:
"...So actually $4.40 is 10.98% of the total fee of $40.06..."

and 3 is the square root of 9
the relevance of your observation escapes me.....

For my sale 10.98% of the Final Value Fee is because it was a international sale. If it was not a international sale I would have paid 10.98% less in fees.

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

This extra fee for this type of sale is merely a "return insurance" purchase we make, albeit semi-involuntarily. What it means is, for a mere 1.65% more money there is guaranteed No Returns on this order because quite simply put the buyer can not return the order to the seller, ever, no matter what.

Which, roughly 2 out of 100...
I think I get more returns than that.

This is not exactly accurate. If the item went through a FF and the buyer wants to return the item then with certain caveats they are able to do so. However, the seller is generally not responsible for the return shipping and in instances where they are the seller is only responsible for the domestic leg of the return shipment. The buyer must return it to the FF on their dime.

marnotom!

·2 years ago

You can opt out of using the eBay International Shipping service.

You cannot opt out of selling to non-US buyers.

monster-deals

·2 years ago

56564 View listings

@marnotom! wrote:
You can opt out of using the eBay International Shipping service.

You cannot opt out of selling to non-US buyers.

I have several hundred USA based users I have opted out of selling to.

marnotom!

·2 years ago

@monster-deals wrote:
I have several hundred USA based users I have opted out of selling to.

In eBay terms, setting your buyer requirements is a different thing than opting out.

monster-deals

·2 years ago

56564 View listings

@marnotom! wrote:
@monster-deals wrote:
I have several hundred USA based users I have opted out of selling to.
In eBay terms, setting your buyer requirements is a different thing than opting out.

Oh are we counting buyer requirements as well?

Then multiple, multiple thousand USA users.

2 years ago

6923 View listings

Nothing to â€œBeware ofâ€ hereâ€¦Before I Opted into EIS, I shipped to freight forwarders plenty of times and also sold to someone from other countries who was buying a gifts for someone in the States.
To me a sale is a saleâ€¦no matter who is buying and where itâ€™s going.

1tuna

·2 years ago

30223 View listings

the fee for shipping to a freight forwarder is 1.65%

this is an old complaint and the general consensus amongst the community is to grin and bear it

there is no real way too get around this

keep on ebayin

@theoriginalbenjammin-7

reallynicestamps

·2 years ago

2473 View listings

Actually I believe the fee is based on the non-US based credit card.

So in theory, an American student, with an American credit card, living in Germany, could buy through a forwarder without any extra fees.

Is there an eIS fee that we are not told about?

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

Actually I believe the fee is based on the non-US based credit card.

So in theory, an American student, with an American credit card, living in Germany, could buy through a forwarder without any extra fees.

Is there an eIS fee that we are not told about?

The international fee has nothing to do with the CC. It is charged if either of the following situations apply. EBay eliminated the international fee under the EIS program.

The delivery address for the item (entered by the buyer during checkout) is outside the US, or
The buyer's registered address is outside the US (regardless of the delivery address for the item)

inhawaii

·2 years ago

Ebay's most handsome seller.4852 View listings

Thank you but I think most of us know this already.

Just curious, as long as you're shipping it to a US address, why the fuss?

As long as the package get's to the US destination, you're covered.

You would rather lose the sale than pay the 1.3%?

If so, then that's your decision.

BTW You can't make up your own rules.

Simply by typing it in your listing does not make it enforceable.

theoriginalbenjammin-7

OP2 years ago

493 View listings

Rockstar? BTW You can't make up your own rules? Yes, You can.

soh.maryl

·2 years ago

110 View listings

The "Rockstar" designation is assigned by eBay, not the person under whose ID it appears.

It's based on the # of FB they have received and given.

And, no, on eBay, you cannot make up your own rules. If you have discovered information otherwise, please return and share it with us.

2 years ago

6923 View listings

I beg to differâ€¦no you cannot. eBay goes by their TOS not a sellers. What you write in your description as far as who you will or will not ship to is not enforced nor endorsed by eBay. If you want to exclude countries you donâ€™t want to ship to you need to do so in shipping preferences.

You currently are only excluding:

APO/FPO, Alaska/Hawaii, Barbados, French Guiana, French Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Libya, Martinique, New Caledonia, Reunion, Russian Federation, US Protectorates, Ukraine, Venezuela

FYI: Your missing out from sales to US military bases APO/FPO and Alaska and Hawaii. They all ship the same as if shipping across the US for the exception of needing customs forms for APO/FPO(customs forms are filed out for you). I donâ€™t understand the logic behind those exclusions.

maxine*j

·2 years ago

142 View listings

@theoriginalbenjammin-7 wrote:
... BTW You can't make up your own rules? Yes, You can.

You're right. You can make up any rules you like and you can include those rules in your listings. However, doing so is a meaningless exercise because your made-up, personal rules cannot be enforced.

You cannot enforce rules that do not comply with the U.S. Uniform Commercial Code and with the eBay policies and terms which you agreed to in order so sell on eBay.

And, by the way, I have sent many things to customers through the freight forwarders they use. It is a safe and secure way to do business with international customers, without my having to deal with customs declarations, documentation, fees, duties, regulations, inspections, etc., or be concerned about the reliability of foreign postal systems.

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robbie31415

·2 years ago

International buyers using a FF isn't a violation of eBay policy, and the terms are still met because you are only shipping domestically.

There is no block for international buyers only international shipping addresses.

Your made up requirements are a violation of eBay policy because it's not true information. If you want to sell on this platform you have to sell to all buyers.

maxine*j

·2 years ago

142 View listings

I assume you were not actually directing that reply to me but to the OP, right?

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chapeau-noir

·2 years ago

Radicalized by decency6558 View listings

@theoriginalbenjammin-7 wrote:
Rockstar? BTW You can't make up your own rules? Yes, You can.

Sovereign eBayer?

stainlessenginecovers

·2 years ago

5401 View listings

@theoriginalbenjammin-7 wrote:
Rockstar? BTW You can't make up your own rules? Yes, You can.

Yep; just like Wesley Snipes chose NOT to pay taxes..and he WAS able to do it.

Until he wasn't.

inhawaii

·2 years ago

Ebay's most handsome seller.4852 View listings

@theoriginalbenjammin-7 wrote:
Rockstar? BTW You can't make up your own rules? Yes, You can.

You can make up all the rules you want.

But they are not valid and not enforceable.

"Anyone who buys this item must fly to Hawaii, cook me a steak dinner and give me a foot rub."

joliztoyco

·2 years ago

1810 View listings

Happened to me yesterday on a sale.
I INTENTIONALLY OPT OUT of foreign sales and shipping so I don't have to pay this extra fee.
But FeeBay does an end-around and still collects it????
And YES...I would rather lose the sale than give eBay ONE SINGLE CENT in extra fees.
A buyer in the US would have bought the item if eBay wouldn't have PURPOSELY IGNORED my selling preferences by allowing the "freight forwarding" loophole AND getting their extra cut of my profits from "International Fees".
Typical eBay crap.

marnotom!

·2 years ago

@joliztoyco wrote:

I INTENTIONALLY OPT OUT of foreign sales and shipping so I don't have to pay this extra fee.
But FeeBay does an end-around and still collects it????
And YES...I would rather lose the sale than give eBay ONE SINGLE CENT in extra fees.
A buyer in the US would have bought the item if eBay wouldn't have PURPOSELY IGNORED my selling preferences by allowing the "freight forwarding" loophole AND getting their extra cut of my profits from "International Fees".

How can meeting a seller's shipping terms be a "loophole"?

You're not "opting out" of international sales, by the way. You're "opting out" of international shipping.

If you have a problem with "international fees" blame the credit card companies that levy them in the first place.

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

@joliztoyco wrote:

I INTENTIONALLY OPT OUT of foreign sales and shipping so I don't have to pay this extra fee.
But FeeBay does an end-around and still collects it????
And YES...I would rather lose the sale than give eBay ONE SINGLE CENT in extra fees.
A buyer in the US would have bought the item if eBay wouldn't have PURPOSELY IGNORED my selling preferences by allowing the "freight forwarding" loophole AND getting their extra cut of my profits from "International Fees".

How can meeting a seller's shipping terms be a "loophole"?

You're not "opting out" of international sales, by the way. You're "opting out" of international shipping.

If you have a problem with "international fees" blame the credit card companies that levy them in the first place.

Ironically a lot of CC companies have eliminated the international fee in the face of competition. The travel companies got into the CC game with all the miles and perks and no international fee and a number of CC companies have been compelled to follow suit if they expect card holders to utilize their CC when they travel. I have a separate CC that I utilize when I travel internationally.

marnotom!

·2 years ago

@dbfolks166mt wrote:

Ironically a lot of CC companies have eliminated the international fee in the face of competition. The travel companies got into the CC game with all the miles and perks and no international fee and a number of CC companies have been compelled to follow suit if they expect card holders to utilize their CC when they travel. I have a separate CC that I utilize when I travel internationally.

Iâ€™m pretty sure weâ€™ve discussed this before. What credit card companies have done is eliminate international transaction fees for buyers and made merchants pay them instead. Theyâ€™ve also snuck a few extras into the exchange rates they use when converting currencies. My Canadian Mastercardâ€™s exchange rate for US->CDN dollar transactions is downright horrible.

cardxcraft

·2 years ago

3760 View listings

Fees may be part of the issue. It's each seller's perogative if they deem it worthy or necessary to pay a 1.65% foreign transaction fee.

The bigger issue is liability from FF to buyer. Read my previous post.

dbfolks166mt

·2 years ago

Happened to me yesterday on a sale.
I INTENTIONALLY OPT OUT of foreign sales and shipping so I don't have to pay this extra fee.
But FeeBay does an end-around and still collects it????
And YES...I would rather lose the sale than give eBay ONE SINGLE CENT in extra fees.
A buyer in the US would have bought the item if eBay wouldn't have PURPOSELY IGNORED my selling preferences by allowing the "freight forwarding" loophole AND getting their extra cut of my profits from "International Fees".
Typical eBay crap.

You should be aware that an individual living in the US with a eBay registered account address can also purchase you item and have it shipped to their home and you will still get hit with the international fee.

While I agree the international fee should go away, as it did with the EIS program, I have no problem with the sale of items that ship through a FF or that a foreign buyer sends to friends and family residing in the US. The same applies with regards to US individuals who may be temporarily stationed overseas and utilize a FF to consolidate and save on shipping costs.

albertabrightalberta

·2 years ago

I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.104 View listings

@joliztoyco wrote:
Happened to me yesterday on a sale.
I INTENTIONALLY OPT OUT of foreign sales and shipping so I don't have to pay this extra fee.
But FeeBay does an end-around and still collects it????
And YES...I would rather lose the sale than give eBay ONE SINGLE CENT in extra fees.
A buyer in the US would have bought the item if eBay wouldn't have PURPOSELY IGNORED my selling preferences by allowing the "freight forwarding" loophole AND getting their extra cut of my profits from "International Fees".
Typical eBay crap.

You are wrong.

My son is married to a young lady who (originally) came from Poland. Although she's a legal US resident, living and working in Idaho for several years (and with a green card), her credit card is based in Poland and if she were to buy from you, you would be hit with 1.65% fee.

Yet she is NOT circumventing any blocks, restrictions and is not a "foreign buyer!"

You can't control what you can't control. I would have thought you'd be happy to be making sales!

stephenmorgan

·2 years ago