Beyond Bizarre Return!
Got a stumper for any sleuths who want to take a crack! I just got a notification that a buyer filed a return, and it's a doozie, total multi-layer cake. Right away you'll notice there are red flags reminiscent of a 'face mask' or 'zip code' type scam, but HOLD. -If you keep looking, that doesn't add up. In fact in some ways it more resembles an INR scam. But in one major way, it doesn't seem a likely scam at all. I mean, if you're gonna commit ANY kind of mail fraud, I wouldn't think it'd be worth it for a $33 item.
Okay, so yes it is new account with what I ASSUMED was a freight forwarder address.
Here's the return reason and photo. Ridiculous closeup, but I know, that doesn't matter.
Now here's where the weird comes in. -According to tracking, this package hasn't even been delivered yet. Says they tried Saturday but the business was closed. I have seen that happen tons of times with freight forwarders, and then the package just gets delivered the following Monday. But it's the middle of the night between Sunday and Monday right now, so ........
Also look at the scans. -How was it out for delivery at 6:10 AM if it didn't even arrive at the post office until over 5 hours later???
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
The buyer's address is ..... not an address. It's woods on a highway. There are (allegedly) some other nearby businesses, but they are also supposedly in those woods, and there's no building structures shown in 'map view', nor is there a driveway, as in, no way to drive ..... into these woods, to go to these businesses. And I certainly don't see anything resembling the industrial park building like what most F.F.'s look like.
So, I can't even guess what that turquoise blue evidence photo is 'of' because I don't see how they could have these earrings in their possession to photograph. And yup, I checked my listing photos to see if they just cropped one of those .... but nope, none of my photos have that framed windowpane light reflection.
gurlcat
OP1 year agoFinal update:
Welp, I guess the only thing I should be surprised by was how swiftly this was completed (12 days; I've never had one take less than a month before). And no, it doesn't affect my money or anything else, so I still have reason to be proud of the steps I took before this even went to a payment dispute. But I still can't help but be dismayed by the bank's decision, considering all the quantity and quality of evidence I provided to them. If that couldn't convince them that their customer was abusing their protection, what would ? And yeah, it makes me nauseous picturing this scammer seeing the notification and throwing its' fist into the air in triumph, and for all it knows, the money IS coming from me, and that's what I get for resisting in the first place. Ugh. And worse, it has now learned that if Scam Plan A doesn't work, Plan B probably will, and it may even be sharing its' findings on a forum just like I'm doing now, but in its' case a forum for low down chunky worm poo scammers.
adamcartwright
·1 year ago@gurlcat
Happy it worked out for you, at least financially.
But you're right, this emboldens scammers.
a_c_green
·1 year agoYou did your best, really. Your reply to the chargeback was excellent. It's too bad that eBay had to cover your loss, as opposed to the bank booting their scammy accountholder, but the bank will eventually notice that their accountholder seems to be filing an unusually large number of disputes with different sellers, and once someone at the bank looks into that (I'm sure the first-line systems will find for the buyer every time, but a pattern will eventually get flagged for a closer look), I think the card is going to get nuked pretty soon thereafter.
gurlcat
OP1 year agoYou make a couple of points I want to address.
Yeah the actual financial harm done here was to eBay. And sure $33 is absolutely nothing to them, but if/when the totality of losses from scam disputes becomes a pain point for eBay, which would they be more likely to consider ending? Their relationship with banks who allow their customers to abuse their protections willy-nilly, or eBay's own seller protections?
I really wish I could be a fly on the wall of this scammer just to get what their thinking was throughout this whole thing. -Recall from the beginning, when this was a return scam attempt, one of the confounding questions was 'Why do it for such a low-dollar item?' One idea that occurred to me was that they chose a cheap item for a test run, to see if the scam could really work like they saw on Youtube or whatever, and if it didn't then they wouldn't be out a bunch of money.
And at that stage it was also theoretically possible they were using a stolen bank account card/number. But the chargeback chucked that theory right out the window.
As for the 'test run' theory, well if that's what it was it obviously failed, so WHY grit their teeth and do a chargeback, using up one of their (limited) allowable times to do that ..... for only $33? -There, my only guess is this is a scammer who is both pretty stupid (recall they filed the return before delivery) AND controlled more by emotion than reason. Like failing to get the refund and having their account closed just blinded them with anger-fueled determination. I could certainly identify with that. Or at least the impulse ..... but not the execution. If I acted on every "I'll show YOU" schemes I've formulated, my seller account wouldn't have lasted past the first few sales, LOL.
I actually did act on one, a few years ago, but only because certain stars aligned that made it perfectly doable. And it was GLOR-I-OUS. I still savor the memory like the one time I got to taste morel mushrooms. 🤣
fbusoni
·1 year ago@gurlcat
Saw your post down below referencing 'trifari bird brooch' and I decided to run a WHOIS search on the site whose photo you featured.
If you think it appropriate and want to take your detective work to the next level, you can report suspicious activity (this site or any site you suspect might be engaged in fraudulent behavior) to the domain name registrar (excerpt below). You can see the full look up page here. These registrars would be happy to hear from you.
 
gurlcat
OP1 year agoIt wouldn't matter. Go to that address and you'll see why. -They fly by night just like ye olde snake oil salesmen.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoWell I put my all into this payment dispute. Funny how it didn't say until AFTER I submitted my response that I won't be charged no matter what. (By the way, has anyone ever seen THAT screen before?).
But I really am not satisfied, I hate that I'll have to wait a month to find out what the CC says. I know, I know, they always side with their customer. But maybe for once they could be convinced a customer is trying to USE THEM and they won't put up with it.
I really, really want this little piece of dog poo to bleeeeeed.
Or you know, just lose the case. Maybe lose their bank account.
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dbfolks166mt
·2 years agoReading through this one makes my head hurt. All this for a $33 set of ear rings. I can't help but wonder where the ear rings ended up.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoWell the simplest answer would be that the scammer themselves actually wanted the earrings. But it is quite possible that they were advertised on google for even cheaper, and this "buyer" is sort of like a dropshipper who also does these fake returns, so however much they get from the person who orders from them is pure profit. It would be a pretty easy thing to do if you worked right in a freight forwarding facility -you would have the means to ship to everywhere in the world, probably a bulk carrier discount, plenty of packing materials at your fingertips, including to ship back to real sellers as "returns."
If your head is hurting even more, or you think I'm crazy, here I'll show you what I discovered about a year ago:
I googled 'trifari bird brooch' when doing some research. In 'images' I accidentally found "websites" (with weird names -not your usual Etsy, Ruby Lane, 1st Dibs or even small websites with names involving "vintage" or "jewelry" or anything like that). And when I clicked I found they had listings offering insanely rare and valuable old Trifari brooches that would actually be worth hundreds of dollars, priced crazy cheap.
But right away I knew something was really wrong. Besides the too-good-to-be-true prices, the titles weren't very descriptive and each listing had only one photo. Then I realized how DIFFERENT the photos looked, like they were taken by lots of different people. Then I found one that had EBAY watermarked right on it!
So then I used google lens to see if I could find live listings with the exact same photos. Sure enough I found one on Etsy. -So I wrote to that seller to let her see that someone was offering her piece on this "website". btw I put that in quotes because they are only websites in the loosest sense of the word. Each one is here today, gone tomorrow. This ^ one didn't have a whole lot of item categories, some apparel, shoes, sunglasses. The weird thing was they had a search bar but typing 'trifari' or even 'brooch' did NOT give any of these results, even though I know I just saw them on the previous page! -I don't even understand what kind of site they are.
But the vast majority of the ones I lens'ed, had no exact matches. So either google was just failing to find the live listings corresponding to the photos .... or they were not actually for sale anywhere. Actually, now I remember a couple of them were social media posts, just chicks showing off pieces in their collections.
So, these people are probably screwing over both buyers and the sellers, depending on the item.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoWelp I thought this thing was over, but apparently this scammer is REALLY determined to get my $33! Yesterday I went to my account, sighed to see that I still haven't sold anything (I think it has been almost a week now, I'm getting pretty bummed, and I have ANOTHER return on its' way back to me, with no money in my spendable funds to use for it).
And as usual this annoying thing is still at the top of my home page:
I was sick of it and wondered when it would go away. So I decided to ask EFB. Got an interesting but satisfying answer:
Then tonight I went to my homepage, still nothing sold, but then I realized the top of the page was prompts to send offers on items. NO prompt about that return. And I almost shrugged it off, like Chelsey's effort must have worked after all, just with a lag, and the return was now closed. But something made me decide to check and make SURE. So I went to my returns, and sure enough this one is closed ..... but not because eBay closed it, not because the buyer is NARU .... BECAUSE THEY STARTED A CHARGEBACK! And LOOK, it says I don't have to do anything!
So I'm like "Is this a joke? An error? Did Chelsea accidentally pick the wrong reason to close it? -Because I sure as heck did not get any kind of notification that I have a chargeback. It's not on my homescreen, and I didn't get a push notification on my phone! But I go to my messages, and .... sure enough it was last night, about 12 hours after Chelsey tried to close the whole thing.
And according to this, that whole "You don't have to do anything" bit might be incorrect.
I guess it shouldn't surprise me that even a NARU'd buyer can file a chargeback. I mean I could just as likely see them filing one for an item they bought in a store that they are no longer allowed to enter, as long as they have the receipt. And the thing is, this one even has proof of "delivery."
So I have posted the update to EFB. Guess I'll see what Chelsey or whoever answers this time says to do. I am confident that at the very least eBay will do a courtesy refund on my behalf, but I am not satisfied with that. I mean just look at ALL the entities they are defrauding at this point: me, eBay, USPS, and now their own financial institution! FOR $33!!!!
adamcartwright
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Just bizarre.
Did you file a report with the Postmaster?
gurlcat
OP2 years agoSure did! Same day the pebbles were delivered to me and I got the buyer NARU'd.
Now I will say, filling out that form was a bit tricky because it was geared toward a buyer making a complaint against a merchant. But given the limited option choices I had and the limited characters I could type, I did my absolute best to make clear the actual situation.
Did you see the other thread I tagged you in? -I'm not sure that seller actually got scammed by the same person/entity for all 4 of their recent false returns, as only one of them was a plastic pebbles return. And they haven't answered me about whether that one was from Newark Deleware or not.
robbie31415
·2 years agoSellers can't cancel because of prior history with an address.
Especially if it was used by a different buyer.
If you have a buyer on your block list then you can cancel because they are violating policy.
However if eBay can't determine its the same person then fault will be found on the seller, and could be seen as abuse of the cancellation system.
It sucks scammers are out there, but they always will be.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoWOW, I've said it before, I'll say it again: reporting a buyer is NOT just a Fisher Price button. But I've never seen it do THIS much, THIS fast before.
lacemaker3
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Wow, that's a huge surprise. The freight forwarder is obviously in on this scam. They mentioned that their new shipping address had "fewer problems with cancellations" (or something like that) ... well, not until we get the word out about the scammers working there.
Please keep us informed how this goes ... I really hope that the CS rep is right and the case "will just automatically time out." I don't have any experience to share.
What is the link at the bottom of your post? I took a chance and clicked on it, but the results look like a scam site of memes.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoLOL I kept trying to embed a gif of 'This is how we do it.' But I'm not competent enough so I settled for a still shot. @chapeau-noir how do you do that???
gurlcat
OP2 years agoUpdate: received a pouch of plastic pebbles just now. LOL my very first time with one of these scams, and for such a low price item, unbelievable. Well at least now I can see what shiny turquoise-colored thing they might have got their ridiculous closeup "evidence" photo from, when the earrings had not even arrived to them yet.
I'm off to report the buyer, but I need help on what else to do. File a police report in Newark, DE, or a case with the Postal Inspector?
adamcartwright
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Wow -- so sorry.
I can't imaging doing that to a small business, much less to any business.
Some people truly have a seared conscience.
I would definitely report it as mail fraud, at a minimum.
https://ehome.uspis.gov/fcsexternal/default.aspx
gurlcat
OP2 years agoOh they aint' doing nothing to me but give me a fun project, with nothing but $33 to lose (which they'd get anyway if I just refunded them), and possibly a metric strike which I can afford, but that will only be if eBay completely sticks their head up the hind end of a brand new "buyer" who obviously planned this fraud from the get go. Couldn't be a clearer case than this.
I've already reported this little insect.
But presently I'm facing a hiccup on the Return Details 'report a problem' page. Each time I try to submit it, I get this:
And strangely, hitting 'Go back' takes me to a purchase page of something I bought a while back, not to the Return Details page, or anything even seller-related. Why is eBay SOOOOO freakin weird? WHY?
adamcartwright
·2 years ago@gurlcat
Good!
Did the Report Buyer form allow you to upload the photo?
gurlcat
OP2 years agoYes it allowed me to write a bunch and upload multiple photos.
The problem is just after I finish, hitting 'Confirm' takes me to the 'Something wrong' page. Over and over. I'm chatting with EFB right now.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoNow that my money and account are all good, I'm off to use that handy link you provided @adamcartwright . This brand new freight forwarding facility either has an employee using their work address to scam eBay sellers, or an employee willing to do the hands-on fraud work for overseas buyers, including taking and submitting false evidence photos and shipping garbage in leu of returned items to eBay sellers, using eBay return labels.
I can't be the only one they tried this with, but I'll definitely be one to put the Postal Inspector's gaze on their shiny new business.
lacemaker3
·2 years agoI have reported this scam freight forwarder to scam-detector.com. You should probably submit a report as well. I hadn't looked them up before now; they don't have a very good rating:
I don't think they are new, exactly. They just moved to a new location in the spring of this year. I haven't put any effort into finding their previous address.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoI completed the postal fraud report. I'm not sure what good a scam identifying website can do. -For someone controlling their own decisions to ship or not, sure, but for an eBay seller ......
The thing is, probably the vast majority of items purchased on eBay and forwarded by this outfit go just fine, and this sale of mine just happened to involve one crooked (and very stupid) employee. If I got another sale with that address today, I would cringe for sure, but then what else could I do but ship?
lacemaker3
·2 years ago@gurlcat, I hear you. I can't really give you a good answer. I don't sell on eBay anymore. This reinforces my decision, but I haven't heard much good news in the last decade to make me reconsider.
To me, the employee is the company, and the company is the employee. The employee's actions can reasonably (and legally) be assumed to be the company's actions. If the company does not approve of he employee's actions they can/should/are expected to have taken steps to prevent the employee from acting badly. The company has not done this. The company has acted badly and is liable for this bad action, legally as well as otherwise.
If you get another transaction with this shipping address, you can cancel it for "Problem with the shipping address".
gurlcat
OP2 years agoTrue, but if they are aware of eBay policy they can report the seller for false cancellation reason, and even if they're not familiar .... in fact even if the seller immediately blocks them ..... a brand new shiny account is just clicks away. As far as I know this "buyer" only used this account for this one scam and is using dozens of others for dozens of other scams. Le sigh ......
lacemaker3
·2 years ago@gurlcat, it has been scanned delivered now, so it would seem you are correct that they had not received it yet when they started the return.
Let us know what happens next, please.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoThanks
Thanks for the heads up. Incidentally the return tracking does not have any scans yet, but I sure will update any developments. This thing is wild! I'm glad it's not a higher-dollar item so I can just be kind of fascinated and not reeling with dread, LOL.
If I do get a face mask or empty envelope or whatever, I will report the buyer and immediately take all my evidence to EFB, see if I can actually beat the refund, more out of curiosity than anything. I can even afford a non-resolution strike as my metrics are pristine, but I don't think it'd come to that anyway, as long as I got a response quickly enough on Facebook.
But yeah I'm putting the cart before the horse.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoWell by late afternoon yesterday, I got my hopes up that the buyer had decided to just back out of this goofy return (since I wrote to them to ask them what's up, BEFORE the original tracking showed the delivery scan at the FF).
Now I see that hope was unfounded. Something is on its' way back to me.
a_c_green
·2 years agoOkay, first of all, based on a quick search of my own tracking updates from USPS.com, it seems that an Out for Delivery at 6:10 AM scan is automatically generated for the tracking log, unless or until the receiving PO does an actual Out for Delivery scan of their own. A search of my tracking updates for the phrase "at 6:10 am" (including the double quotes, which indicates that I want only that phrase, exactly as shown) turned up a ton of matches, including those of outbound packages at other post offices. Searching for another time showed no other similar pattern, even though there were a few later Out for Delivery entries at random times. I have seen this inconsistency between Arrival at Unit and Out for Delivery before, but didn't think much about it.
Regarding the address, it's a new construction building. After bringing up that address in Google Street View, stepping a short way up or down the road and turning the camera view around would bring up images of the same site from 2022 (camera car on that side of the road), showing construction going on, and from 2023 (camera car on the other side of the road, by the residential houses), showing the finished building through the trees with about three truck loading doors on one end.
All that aside... if a Not As Described claim has been opened, you'll need to respond, so just accept the return and take it back. If the buyer is doing a switcheroo, you will find out soon enough, but before it comes back, there is nothing further to be done. The data you have accumulated so far is too inconsistent to mean anything.
I have to say, I never try to analyze a shipping address like this. If the USPS accepts the address (e.g. expands and returns a 9-digit ZIP+4 for the location, such as in this case) and a label is generated, then I assume it will be delivered. If it can't be delivered, it will come back to me, and I'll deal with that if or when it happens.
chevymontecarlo88
·2 years agoHave you tried calling them? 😉
lacemaker3
·2 years agoAgreed, this is a freight forwarder, Yijie, delivering to China specifically. They moved into the newly built facility this spring. I also found a leasing brochure for industrial space at this location.
https://www.yijieus.cn/
https://www-yijieus-cn.translate.goog/News/505.html?_x_tr_sl=zh-CN&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
It appears that this company inspects and repackages the items as part of their services. Their fees vary depending on the type of goods, and they do import/customs declarations for their customers. So it is possible that they could inform their buyers of the condition when the items are received.
I would wait to see what happens with the USPS tracking. It's possible that they did the wrong type of scan, or that the item was picked up/delivered after the scan was made. If the "unable to deliver" scan was correct, then it should be delivered sometime later today.
toysaver
·2 years agoI've never had an item delivered to a freight forwarder on a Saturday. They are all closed.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoAHA!!! This is the best guess yet, and thanks for finding that page.
EDIT: But I just have to wonder, how much more would a FF charge for such laborious concierge-like service? -Opening, inspecting, photographing, writing to the customer, repacking, and then forwarding or returning. Almost like an authenticator!
lacemaker3
·2 years agoHere are the fees for the Watches and Jewelry category. I'm not sure if this is the total or not, but for comparison, 50 yuan/RMB is just under US$7.00. I haven't come across any description of exactly what services they provide.
https://www-yijieus-cn.translate.goog/service.html?_x_tr_sl=zh-CN&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
fbusoni
·2 years agoI have worked with buyers in Japan who use this exact sort of service.
The service in question is a Japanese company located in Oregon. It effectively is purchasing for buyers who do not live in the US.
The service opens and inspects because THEY are reselling to their client.
the-hook-and-the-loop
·2 years agoJust a nervous buyer who doesn't understand.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoHuh??? Doesn't understand what?
gurlcat
OP2 years agoI'm going to ask the buyer when the package was delivered. I'll be surprised if they answer but I have nothing to lose by trying.
gurlcat
OP2 years ago@toysaver and @robbie31415 Okay but this is not an Item Not Received case. It is a RETURN, like they allegedly have the earrings and want to return them. -But HOW could they have them, if the delivery attempt failed Saturday, mail doesn't run on Sunday, and even if it did (I know the make a few exceptions) -it still doesn't have a Delivered scan.
So how could the buyer have it?
By the way, never mind the fact that if this is a FF address, then the buyer actually lives overseas, probably China, they certainly don't have the earrings THERE.
robbie31415
·2 years agoI don't think they have it.
I think a delivery scan will happen on Monday.
Don't over think the tracking.
Buyer could be trying to get some cheap item for free.
Right now it's assumption. I would not give a return label. Wait a few days and do it last minute.
Then send a label and see what happens. If they just didn't understand they will do nothing and the label will time out. If they send some random item then you know you for scammed.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoThey already got the return label automatically.
toysaver
·2 years ago"this is not an Item Not Received case. It is a RETURN"
It's a gray are if English is not their first language. They just want to initiate the process asap.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoSo you think they actually meant to file INR instead of a return?
Then what did they photograph to complete the request process? And why would they say "scratches" to inquire about an item they are still waiting for?
toysaver
·2 years agoIf it's a freight forwarding service chances are the buyer does not use English as their first language. Could be the bug red dot with Delivery Attempt was understood to mean it's not ever being delivered.
I would communicate with the buyer and give it time, specifically "they tried Saturday but the business was closed. I have seen that happen tons of times with freight forwarders, and then the package just gets delivered the following Monday."
robbie31415
·2 years agoYes it's a FF.
Seems like they deal with China. Few websites in Chinese that list that address as "address1".
The usps tracking you are over thinking.
May just never got an initial local PO scan and directly out for delivery and the scan you saw was when it showed up after delivery attempt.
fbusoni
·2 years agoJust realized that my photo shows construction for an industrial park.
Your pic shows the addresses of the park, but the overhead image predates the construction.
I wonder if the maps and images available online simply do not correspond to what is currently on the ground?
(PS: Default forum behavior is to quote the other person's entire message when you hit the "quotation marks" icon in the toolbar that displays when you want to compose a reply.)
vintagecraze50
·2 years agoA return request when an Item has not been delivered and an INAD at that is mighty suspicious. The picture is also suspect I cannot even make out what the heck that is in that picture.
vintagecraze50
·2 years ago30 something dollars is not a lot to scam about but a buyer making numerous 30 dollar purchases adding up to 1 grand is.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoTrue, yes. But each one is equally risky, not to mention time-consuming, with all the effort and attention to detail being required to successfully get each small amount of money, without being caught. Kind of like making counterfeit one-dollar bills.
EDIT: By the way, I didn't see this reply of yours until just now, rather than this morning when you made it. I did see the other short reply you made. -The reason I'm bringing this up is it highlights what is a bit problematic about your reply style. -When you make multiple short replies instead of putting them together in one (which is easy to do now because we have more time for editing now, like I'm doing right now) .... and when you include the whole quote of the person you're replying to, especially when it's a long quote and includes a bunch of images .... then it requires readers to do so much scrolling that they can miss something you said. I hope I'm not coming across as rude or judgmental, but I don't even understand why you felt it necessary to include my quotes, for the replies you made. They were good, clear replies, worth thinking about, and wouldn't have been confusing without including the quotes.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoMay I ask something? Is there a reason your replies include the full quote of the person you're replying to, even if you're replying right below them? I'm just wondering if your account is set up to do that automatically somehow, or if ...... ????
vintagecraze50
·2 years agoI hit the quotation mark on the top and it brings up the whole post.
itsjustasprain
·2 years agoYou can click-drag-delete any unwanted content within the quoted post if desired. That way you can narrow down the quoted material to only the relevant stuff.
Some of the tagging around quoted content is invisible and it is possible to accidentally delete either a beginning or end tag. But if you get that red error message saying that invalid tagging was found and removed you are usually okay to just hit the Reply button again and it will submit successfully on the second go-round. Make sure you do not accidentally delete your cursor starting point right below the quote you brought in.
fbusoni
·2 years agoI looked on Apple Maps for the address and this is what appeared. Just to give you something to compare.
I've seen addresses both on Google and Apple that were indicated with a red marker across the street from the actual address.
Now, go to Google maps and do a search for the property next door (2437), then do Street view.
THAT home appears to be inside the development on the other side of the road. (Not showing pic to protect privacy.). A close look at the garage doors suggest that these homes are not numbered correctly.
Finally, I searched an open source database and there is no home listed at a 2436. The addresses jump from 2431 to 2437 with nothing listed in between.
gurlcat
OP2 years agoHey! At least what you found shows that those woods have undergone some development beyond what google results showed me! And who knows, maybe 2436 is a real address but just not yet registered even in the more up-to-date source you looked at.
But even if the address is legit ..... it wouldn't explain why USPS says it isn't delivered yet.
itsjustasprain
·2 years agoIt would be. Odd numbers are on the west side of the road and even numbers are on the east side. That is standard practice practically everywhere. A property next door to #2436 would be 2434 or 2438. Areas with larger lots can have larger gaps in numbering, such as 2432 - 2436 - 2440 ect. The post office assigns the numbers based on various factors.