Why would people assume it wasn’t packaged properly? Came to sight for genuine concern, have been selling on eBay for over 20 years, and just had a camera returned with the lens swapped out. I have never really complained, questioned, etc., just refund, however, it’s getting a little ridiculous. And judging by some of the responses I totally get it.
I think the assumption is probably based on the current condition of the item. I didn't comment on your packing, but based on the numerous points of breakage, it doesn't seem unreasonable that others might question it.
If you aren't packing the item in the original styrofoam molded packaging that it came in from China, it needed several layers of small bubble between the delicate parts, large bubble to enclose that, and lots of heavy craft paper to fill the void in a box. I would have probably double boxed that one myself in addition to the other steps.
All that aside, you haven't given us a reason why you think your customer would have gone to the lengths they would have had to to create an AI picture (again, with all that crap in the background) to ask for a return/refund. What do you think their goal was when they could've just told ebay the item arrived broken and been done with it?
This is one of those "when you hear hoofbeats..." situations
I am not seeing the gallons of packing peanuts and yards of bubble wrap required to ensure this arrived undamaged. Nor a claim by you that you packed this brittle or fragile 3 dimensional object properly.
You should skip ahead in the Grief Cycle to the ending step of Acceptance and refund. That will save you the return postage. If the buyer has not filed a return case yet, that will prevent a ding from being added to your seller metrics.
A buyer can file an irod clad return case for these reasons with or without an ai generated photo. 1: Doesn't work or defective 2: Doesn't match description or photos 3: Wrong item sent 4: Missing parts or pieces 5: Arrived damaged 6: Doesn't seem authentic
I sure looks real to me. I can match a couple imperfections to the petals to your original photo. Is the plastic beneath it something you used to wrap the figurine in?
I dunno but I tell you hwat. Them birds definitely ain’t real.
They don't have six toes, though.
Its not wrong, but I find asking AI if something is AI or not to be weirdly recursive.
Reminds me of the paradox that computers and robots aren't even self-aware enough to realize that they themselves are artificial. Speaking of which, I need to finish watching the Westworld series.
Do you really believe your customer would go to the trouble of creating an Ai generated image, just so they could return this item? EBAY has an "iron clad" 30-Money Back Guarantee (supersedes "no refund" policy") so the customer is protected and can get a refund without "jumping through hoops".
Not sure what this post is about. It certainly doesn't look like AI, but the bigger question is why would you think it might be? What would be the point? All the random junk in the background points to a legit pic of a busted item. It's a sixty dollar item that appears to have been broken during shipping. If it's your item and you think someone is trying to pull a fast one, advise the buyer to request a return/refund, send them a label, and see what you get back.
Maybe you could elaborate a bit and explain what you think is happening here.
Well, I presented your photos to AI and here's the response,
"The breakage in the photo is not AI-generated; it appears to be physical damage to a real, tangible object. The items pictured are hand-painted ceramic or polyresin figurines, which are designed to be physical decorative items. The appearance of the break on the green leaf, showing a white, raw inner material, is consistent with how such materials physically fracture in the real world. AI-generated breaks often lack this level of realistic material consistency."
Well, I presented your photos to AI and here's the response,
"The breakage in the photo is not AI-generated; it appears to be physical damage to a real, tangible object. The items pictured are hand-painted ceramic or polyresin figurines, which are designed to be physical decorative items. The appearance of the break on the green leaf, showing a white, raw inner material, is consistent with how such materials physically fracture in the real world. AI-generated breaks often lack this level of realistic material consistency."
If AI knows what indicators to look for to identify an AI-generated image ...
... wouldn't AI image generators now know this and already be avoiding those indicators?
@mariob1962 So, this is some sort of guessing game?
OK, my guess is, you sold that item and a buyer claims it arrived broken. You---for some reason---suspect those photos of broken pieces (which I assume the buyer sent you to support their claim----are AI generated) and you sent them to ebay and asked ebay to decide whether they are AI generated or not.
ebay has said they are real, and not AI.
And "so".....you are going to refund the buyer?
If this is NOT a guessing game, then I would suggest in the future you try providing us with some actual context...
I think you hit the nail on the head!, That sounds like a very legitimate explanation for what this is all about! This seller has Artificial Reasoning!
thatkoozie8
·8 months agodefinitely looks real busted.
mariob1962
OP8 months agoWhy would people assume it wasn’t packaged properly? Came to sight for genuine concern, have been selling on eBay for over 20 years, and just had a camera returned with the lens swapped out. I have never really complained, questioned, etc., just refund, however, it’s getting a little ridiculous. And judging by some of the responses I totally get it.
tarotfindsandmore
·8 months agoI think the assumption is probably based on the current condition of the item. I didn't comment on your packing, but based on the numerous points of breakage, it doesn't seem unreasonable that others might question it.
If you aren't packing the item in the original styrofoam molded packaging that it came in from China, it needed several layers of small bubble between the delicate parts, large bubble to enclose that, and lots of heavy craft paper to fill the void in a box. I would have probably double boxed that one myself in addition to the other steps.
All that aside, you haven't given us a reason why you think your customer would have gone to the lengths they would have had to to create an AI picture (again, with all that crap in the background) to ask for a return/refund. What do you think their goal was when they could've just told ebay the item arrived broken and been done with it?
This is one of those "when you hear hoofbeats..." situations
bonjourami
·8 months agoYou cant take it so personally, by the amount of damage to the piece, it looks like it wasnt double boxed or even wrapped sufficiently.
babyers88
·8 months ago@mariob1962 camera len's have serial numbers, in that case you file a fraudulent return case with ebay, that's what seller protection is for.
If your collectible was damaged in shipping and was packaged properly then you file a damage claim with the shipper.
I do not understand the problem in either case, it's part of doing business and should be handled as it comes.
l5vw
·9 months agoWow , that looks like a very difficult item to pack safely !!
adamcartwright
·9 months ago@mariob1962
This was totally avoidable with the right packing and a sturdy box.
What a beautiful piece. The buyer must be crushed.
iamalwaysright
·9 months agoAs is the item. 😠Hiyooooo!
tobaccocardyahoo
·9 months agoIt that plastic in the picture is your cushioning material, it is no wonder that the piece is broken, Bush league,
gloryglorygifts
·9 months agoAww, that's a very sweet piece. I bet the buyer is very disappointed.
Looks broken to me, not AI. Have your customer return it or just give them a full refund. Sorry. It's on you that it wasn't packaged better.
Good luck.
inhawaii
·9 months agoI've found out that ebay is the best place to go to find out if something is AI or not.
onlinecentral
·9 months agoI am not seeing the gallons of packing peanuts and yards of bubble wrap required to ensure this arrived undamaged. Nor a claim by you that you packed this brittle or fragile 3 dimensional object properly.
You should skip ahead in the Grief Cycle to the ending step of Acceptance and refund. That will save you the return postage. If the buyer has not filed a return case yet, that will prevent a ding from being added to your seller metrics.
A buyer can file an irod clad return case for these reasons with or without an ai generated photo.
1: Doesn't work or defective
2: Doesn't match description or photos
3: Wrong item sent
4: Missing parts or pieces
5: Arrived damaged
6: Doesn't seem authentic
fern*wood
·9 months agoI sure looks real to me. I can match a couple imperfections to the petals to your original photo. Is the plastic beneath it something you used to wrap the figurine in?
BTW--very pretty.
bonjourami
·9 months agoOf course its not AI, did you double box that fragile item? If not, the breakage is on you, not your buyer.
iamalwaysright
·9 months agoI dunno but I tell you hwat. Them birds definitely ain’t real.
chapeau-noir
·9 months agoThey don't have six toes, though.
Its not wrong, but I find asking AI if something is AI or not to be weirdly recursive.
iamalwaysright
·9 months agoReminds me of the paradox that computers and robots aren't even self-aware enough to realize that they themselves are artificial. Speaking of which, I need to finish watching the Westworld series.
grann-4629
·9 months agoWell, all the big AI guys and gals all got together one day, put their heads together and asked themselves:
"How can we solve the problems of the world?"
Their combined AI whizzed and puffed, and finally came up with:
"Kill all humans".
AI has already learned how to protect itself!
roccotacodad54
·8 months ago"Hello there...I am the Central Scruuutinizer"................LOL............................
caldreamer
·9 months agoDo you really believe your customer would go to the trouble of creating an Ai generated image, just so they could return this item? EBAY has an "iron clad" 30-Money Back Guarantee (supersedes "no refund" policy") so the customer is protected and can get a refund without "jumping through hoops".
chapeau-noir
·9 months agoEverything is not AI.
a_c_green
·9 months agoAgreed; let's try to stop seeing AI behind every tree.
If you showed me only the Before picture here, I could probably have predicted with good accuracy which parts were going to be broken upon delivery.
chapeau-noir
·9 months agoReminds me of the late 90s/early oughts when everything bad was "The Computer".
tarotfindsandmore
·9 months agoNot sure what this post is about. It certainly doesn't look like AI, but the bigger question is why would you think it might be? What would be the point? All the random junk in the background points to a legit pic of a busted item. It's a sixty dollar item that appears to have been broken during shipping. If it's your item and you think someone is trying to pull a fast one, advise the buyer to request a return/refund, send them a label, and see what you get back.
Maybe you could elaborate a bit and explain what you think is happening here.
krazzykats
·9 months agoRefund and be done.
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ten_o_nine
·9 months agoWell, I presented your photos to AI and here's the response,
"The breakage in the photo is not AI-generated; it appears to be physical damage to a real, tangible object.
The items pictured are hand-painted ceramic or polyresin figurines, which are designed to be physical decorative items. The appearance of the break on the green leaf, showing a white, raw inner material, is consistent with how such materials physically fracture in the real world. AI-generated breaks often lack this level of realistic material consistency."
luckythewinner
·9 months agoIf AI knows what indicators to look for to identify an AI-generated image ...
... wouldn't AI image generators now know this and already be avoiding those indicators?
grann-4629
·9 months agoIf AI knows what indicators to look for to identify an AI-generated image ..
AI is not going to rat itself out.
kandf_vintage_finds
·9 months agoNot sure but just as a precaution you may want to pack better for your future sales.
my-cottage-books-and-antiques
·9 months ago@mariob1962 So, this is some sort of guessing game?
OK, my guess is, you sold that item and a buyer claims it arrived broken. You---for some reason---suspect those photos of broken pieces (which I assume the buyer sent you to support their claim----are AI generated) and you sent them to ebay and asked ebay to decide whether they are AI generated or not.
ebay has said they are real, and not AI.
And "so".....you are going to refund the buyer?
If this is NOT a guessing game, then I would suggest in the future you try providing us with some actual context...
meme6253
·8 months agoI think you hit the nail on the head!, That sounds like a very legitimate explanation for what this is all about! This seller has Artificial Reasoning!
dhbookds
·9 months agoWhat makes you think it is/isn't?