I had some time to work on this necklace this morning, this sure is quite the stumped as we just don't know the type of materials used. So for listing purposes, title what you know:
Asian beaded Netsuke figure multi strand necklace.
For your description......
be sure to measure, draw attention to hand painted beads, close up of the figure front and back. The pictures you have here are pretty good but you can add more on site.
Stay clear of words like ivory, jade, gold, without knowing what was used, don't guess.
Don't display this necklace in that Haskell box save that for a separate sale.
I love this fun necklace but the only thing that bothers me is that clasp, it's got wear to it and it cheap looking. Some jewelry maker went to alot of trouble with details on this piece and one would think a better made clasp would have been used.
I did locate a match to your beads
 there's that word, prosperity again, it showed up in your little Netsuke. Is your beads porcelain?
I would agree with @maeday76 about pricing, around $150-$200, that's really not a bad price for all the details that your necklace gives.
Best of luck to you Bob (I did get your message, that's hard to hear, God speed) Silver
Silver...once again I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the time and effort you have put into this...ive been doing a lot of research as well and i think i have a decent plan but there are still a lot of questions that i have...like...what are the orange beads, the green beads and the black beads...the beads that you show do look similar although mine are a different shape ....i still dont know what the netsuke like figure is made of and the clasp also concerns me...in my pics of the clasp, i know it looks black where it is worn a bit but it is actually silver...a magnet wont stick to it so im thinking maybe a gold overlay on silver...but the overall workmanship and detail is really is incredible!!!....so i am going to continue this fight...lol...unfortunately for me, i paid WAY more than the price you suggested so i am going to be as precise as i can be when i finally try and sell it...i dont want to put any more money into it but ive been trying to find a place where i can take it to have it looked at but no one around here deals with this kind of jewelry.....stumped is a great description!...Hope you had a great Christmas...thank you for the kind words about my message....Happy New Year.....God Bless...Bob
Just a point of clarification from the overly picky gemologist...ivory is actually not a type of gem material, but rather a family of gem materials. Most people think of elephant tusk (specifically African elephant) as ivory, and it is. The striations that was mentioned as an identifying characteristic, we gemologists refer to as an "engine turned" effect, which is often present in African elephant ivory.
It should be noted, though, that ivory can also be sourced from walrus, mastodon, elk, etc. Even some nuts produce an ivory; or at least an ivory-like gem material. Identifying the type of ivory is an art for the general practitioner, a skill honed by a lot of experience. The source of the ivory can be definitively determined scientifically by a lab.
In trying to I.D. the type of ivory I was looking at for a small Persian box I have, I did a deeeeep dive into online (scientific) photos that compared all marine and land ivory (including mammoth) against each other as well as various bone samples. Fully expecting my box to be finely sawn/crafted camel bone, I was surprised to find it is actually elephant tusk. There were even side by side close up examples of Asian and African tusks! I wish I could remember what site that was specifically on, but it was VERY helpful. It took hours of familiarization and an electron tunnelling microscope powered by uranium and stubborn determination, but it was incredibly useful, given the result. If you have any resources like that, ivory, stones, amber, etc., please share!
 OK so I have one more question if you don’t mind and I’m so sorry I’m taking up a lot of your time. I wanted to include a picture of the back as well with all those striations of what I perceived to be maybe saw marks? the edges are smooth. If this is a resin material, is it still carved?.. Also, This piece came to me in this Far East Jade by Haskell box…. and that is how it was presented at the auction that I purchased it from… I was somewhat familiar with Haskell jewelry so I thought I really had something special there but Through days of research on Miriam Haskell, I pretty much have come to the conclusion that the box and the piece or not original to each other. So at this point, I do want to sell it …to get my money back at least… and I’m not asking you to create a sale for me, but what do I call this. I don’t want to mislead anybody or falsely advertise it, but How do I identify it to list it …I mean I want to attract bidders, so I have to have some keywords in the title, but at this point, I have no idea what to say. If you’re not comfortable with answering that question, I understand … once again, I thank you so much for your time and your expertise… Bob
That box is not original but has some value in itself. That company on the box is Haskell co. ( I found this)
 Let's give Mae some time to look at beads, please don't list this piece yet as we are still looking and yes of course we will help with your title and keywords. This is an interesting piece and you want to get the most money for it. Silver ( we won't leave you high and dry, I'll get back later, got to bake some things)
Thank you Silver so much. I thought I responded this morning but I must not have hit send. I don’t see it on here but I appreciate you guys so much. You guys are so kind and helpful. We need more of this in the world. Hope you and your family have a very happy Christmas. God bless you …Bob
This one 👇is an interesting example of your type of necklace, and features a similar clasp. I believe it's real ivory, though, so don't get too excited about the price...
The only examples of Haskell far east jade I've seen are truly green
jade bead necklaces and bracelets, I was hoping that you might have an unmarked or refurbished M. Haskell piece, but I'm pretty sure it's Japanese from around the 1940s-50s.
Price seems to hover between $120-$300, and higher for real ivory.
wow… thank you so much for the work that you put into this. It’s truly amazing that there are such nice people out there that are willing to take time out of their schedule to help one another. I will book into all these. I can’t thank you enough Bob
Those are jasper beads with an ivory substitute for the netsuke-like figure and similar beads. The shine is too high for ivory, imo.
One way you can tell real ivory (and bone) is to xxx loupe the cut ends and look for striations in the material. Not saw marks, integral striations. I highly doubt that the parts that are suspected as ivory actually are. Doesn't mean it's not valuable. The clasp is interesting.
no I haven’t seen any metal purity marks. I did look at it as close as I could with a loupe and I’m thinking you are right. It doesn’t really look like ivory. It’s definitely not bone on the figure. There are saw marks on the back as you just described…. I thank you so much and appreciate your time and expertise. … merry Christmas to you and your family …Bob,
Thank you Silver I’m new at this community stuff and it takes me a while to figure out how to put pictures on and answer or respond but I appreciate your help so much it’s definitely carved something … I don’t know if some of the beads or Jade and the others or Amber or some kind of resin but I just don’t know how old this pieces and what it could be worth …but I appreciate your help very much… merry Christmas to you and your family
I've narrowed it down to Japanese at least, the figure could be Netsuke ( if there is holes present). Yours looks older than anything I can find and it leans more Ivory than resin. Take a close look at the face on this ebay listing..
 the outfit, hair somewhat looks like yours. Maybe those beads can be translated if I turn them. Hope this helps alittle. Silver ( oh beautiful pictures btw)
Thank you very very much @maeday76...yes it does look like it is ivory...i was really hoping for some clarity as of possible age and possible value?...the resin that i spoke of are the amber colored beads...amber resin maybe?...did they use that material? and the green beads...could those be jade?...im going to post a few more pics
That certainly is spectacular. If you can take some close ups of the Asian guy, some of the beads and clasp. Could possibly be bone carved, just don't know.
You get those photos posted and I'll tag @maeday76 she deals with alot of tribal, Asian and beads. She maybe busy but she'll get back here as soon as she's able. Merry Christmas Silver
silverstatetreasureboxes
·2 years ago@viccari2006
I had some time to work on this necklace this morning, this sure is quite the stumped as we just don't know the type of materials used. So for listing purposes, title what you know:
Asian beaded Netsuke figure multi strand necklace.
For your description......
be sure to measure, draw attention to hand painted beads, close up of the figure front and back. The pictures you have here are pretty good but you can add more on site.
Stay clear of words like ivory, jade, gold, without knowing what was used, don't guess.
Don't display this necklace in that Haskell box save that for a separate sale.
I love this fun necklace but the only thing that bothers me is that clasp, it's got wear to it and it cheap looking. Some jewelry maker went to alot of trouble with details on this piece and one would think a better made clasp would have been used.
I did locate a match to your beads
 there's that word, prosperity again, it showed up in your little Netsuke. Is your beads porcelain?
I would agree with @maeday76 about pricing, around $150-$200, that's really not a bad price for all the details that your necklace gives.
Best of luck to you Bob (I did get your message, that's hard to hear, God speed) Silver
viccari2006
OP2 years agoSilver...once again I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the time and effort you have put into this...ive been doing a lot of research as well and i think i have a decent plan but there are still a lot of questions that i have...like...what are the orange beads, the green beads and the black beads...the beads that you show do look similar although mine are a different shape ....i still dont know what the netsuke like figure is made of and the clasp also concerns me...in my pics of the clasp, i know it looks black where it is worn a bit but it is actually silver...a magnet wont stick to it so im thinking maybe a gold overlay on silver...but the overall workmanship and detail is really is incredible!!!....so i am going to continue this fight...lol...unfortunately for me, i paid WAY more than the price you suggested so i am going to be as precise as i can be when i finally try and sell it...i dont want to put any more money into it but ive been trying to find a place where i can take it to have it looked at but no one around here deals with this kind of jewelry.....stumped is a great description!...Hope you had a great Christmas...thank you for the kind words about my message....Happy New Year.....God Bless...Bob
idealgems1
·2 years agoJust a point of clarification from the overly picky gemologist...ivory is actually not a type of gem material, but rather a family of gem materials. Most people think of elephant tusk (specifically African elephant) as ivory, and it is. The striations that was mentioned as an identifying characteristic, we gemologists refer to as an "engine turned" effect, which is often present in African elephant ivory.
It should be noted, though, that ivory can also be sourced from walrus, mastodon, elk, etc. Even some nuts produce an ivory; or at least an ivory-like gem material. Identifying the type of ivory is an art for the general practitioner, a skill honed by a lot of experience. The source of the ivory can be definitively determined scientifically by a lab.
OK, class dismissed. 😉
silverstatetreasureboxes
·2 years ago@idealgems1
I like your class, sure beats some of those nursing courses I had to pass!
Merry Christmas gem!
maeday76
·2 years agoIn trying to I.D. the type of ivory I was looking at for a small Persian box I have, I did a deeeeep dive into online (scientific) photos that compared all marine and land ivory (including mammoth) against each other as well as various bone samples. Fully expecting my box to be finely sawn/crafted camel bone, I was surprised to find it is actually elephant tusk. There were even side by side close up examples of Asian and African tusks! I wish I could remember what site that was specifically on, but it was VERY helpful. It took hours of familiarization and an electron tunnelling microscope powered by uranium and stubborn determination, but it was incredibly useful, given the result. If you have any resources like that, ivory, stones, amber, etc., please share!
silverstatetreasureboxes
·2 years ago@maeday76
Mae, I copied this nice site that goes into detail about different types of material used in carvings..
https://www.netsuke.org/page-1125375
maeday76
·2 years agoJust don't assume that because it's not made of the suspected materials that it's not very collectible. Value is fickle.
viccari2006
OP2 years ago 
 OK so I have one more question if you don’t mind and I’m so sorry I’m taking up a lot of your time. I wanted to include a picture of the back as well with all those striations of what I perceived to be maybe saw marks? the edges are smooth. If this is a resin material, is it still carved?.. Also, This piece came to me in this Far East Jade by Haskell box…. and that is how it was presented at the auction that I purchased it from… I was somewhat familiar with Haskell jewelry so I thought I really had something special there but Through days of research on Miriam Haskell, I pretty much have come to the conclusion that the box and the piece or not original to each other. So at this point, I do want to sell it …to get my money back at least… and I’m not asking you to create a sale for me, but what do I call this. I don’t want to mislead anybody or falsely advertise it, but How do I identify it to list it …I mean I want to attract bidders, so I have to have some keywords in the title, but at this point, I have no idea what to say. If you’re not comfortable with answering that question, I understand … once again, I thank you so much for your time and your expertise… Bob
silverstatetreasureboxes
·2 years ago@viccari2006
That box is not original but has some value in itself. That company on the box is Haskell co. ( I found this)
 Let's give Mae some time to look at beads, please don't list this piece yet as we are still looking and yes of course we will help with your title and keywords. This is an interesting piece and you want to get the most money for it. Silver ( we won't leave you high and dry, I'll get back later, got to bake some things)
viccari2006
OP2 years agoThank you Silver so much. I thought I responded this morning but I must not have hit send. I don’t see it on here but I appreciate you guys so much. You guys are so kind and helpful. We need more of this in the world. Hope you and your family have a very happy Christmas. God bless you …Bob
silverstatetreasureboxes
·2 years ago@viccari2006
Ahhhh, it's nice hearing that! Your a very sweet poster yourself and may this Christmas bring laughter and lots of love in your home. Silver
maeday76
·2 years ago 
This one 👇is an interesting example of your type of necklace, and features a similar clasp. I believe it's real ivory, though, so don't get too excited about the price...
 https://www.ebid.net/us/for-sale/1800-s-antique-multi-color-netsuke-necklace-embedded-signature-19-5-170443844.htm
The only examples of Haskell far east jade I've seen are truly green
jade bead necklaces and bracelets, I was hoping that you might have an unmarked or refurbished M. Haskell piece, but I'm pretty sure it's Japanese from around the 1940s-50s.
Price seems to hover between $120-$300, and higher for real ivory.
viccari2006
OP2 years agowow… thank you so much for the work that you put into this. It’s truly amazing that there are such nice people out there that are willing to take time out of their schedule to help one another. I will book into all these. I can’t thank you enough Bob
maeday76
·2 years agoThose are jasper beads with an ivory substitute for the netsuke-like figure and similar beads. The shine is too high for ivory, imo.
One way you can tell real ivory (and bone) is to xxx loupe the cut ends and look for striations in the material. Not saw marks, integral striations. I highly doubt that the parts that are suspected as ivory actually are. Doesn't mean it's not valuable. The clasp is interesting.
Does it have any metal purity marks?
viccari2006
OP2 years agono I haven’t seen any metal purity marks. I did look at it as close as I could with a loupe and I’m thinking you are right. It doesn’t really look like ivory. It’s definitely not bone on the figure. There are saw marks on the back as you just described…. I thank you so much and appreciate your time and expertise. … merry Christmas to you and your family …Bob,
viccari2006
OP2 years agoThank you Silver I’m new at this community stuff and it takes me a while to figure out how to put pictures on and answer or respond but I appreciate your help so much it’s definitely carved something … I don’t know if some of the beads or Jade and the others or Amber or some kind of resin but I just don’t know how old this pieces and what it could be worth …but I appreciate your help very much… merry Christmas to you and your family
silverstatetreasureboxes
·2 years ago@viccari2006
@maeday76
I've narrowed it down to Japanese at least, the figure could be Netsuke ( if there is holes present). Yours looks older than anything I can find and it leans more Ivory than resin. Take a close look at the face on this ebay listing..
 the outfit, hair somewhat looks like yours. Maybe those beads can be translated if I turn them. Hope this helps alittle. Silver ( oh beautiful pictures btw)
viccari2006
OP2 years agoThank you very very much @maeday76...yes it does look like it is ivory...i was really hoping for some clarity as of possible age and possible value?...the resin that i spoke of are the amber colored beads...amber resin maybe?...did they use that material? and the green beads...could those be jade?...im going to post a few more pics
viccari2006
OP2 years ago 
 
 hers a few more pics
viccari2006
OP2 years ago 
 
 thank you so much
silverstatetreasureboxes
·2 years ago@viccari2006
That certainly is spectacular. If you can take some close ups of the Asian guy, some of the beads and clasp. Could possibly be bone carved, just don't know.
You get those photos posted and I'll tag @maeday76 she deals with alot of tribal, Asian and beads. She maybe busy but she'll get back here as soon as she's able. Merry Christmas Silver