joyce Roybal paintings

hello i have been reading comments regarding J Roybal , his art and wether he existed and if there are original paintings by the artist or if it is all a fraud mass produced in China.

I have 3 such paintings that i bought from an art gallery in Florida. I have certificates of authenticity city. The art dealer ibd

alejadi80

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Posted 2 years ago·Last reply 2 years ago

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lacemaker3

·2 years ago

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@sonomabarn67 wrote:
Just noticed tha the one that sold for $1385 didnt have a COAðŸ˜—

The COA must have fallen off that one, because most of the others that were listed with it (and shown in the group photo in all of the listings) seem to have had COAs from Timeless Treasures. They don't have a description of the art piece, or the artist involved. It just guarantees:

"Paintings bearing this certificate are guaranteed to be hand-painted entirely in oil with no mechanical means of reproduction utilized." https://www.ebay.com/itm/255928404269

I found this page, discussing the paintings and COAs from Timeless Treasures in general, which gives a good summary and reliable information:

https://www.justanswer.com/appraisals/fn6iv-oil-paintings-canvas-certificates.html

sonomabarn67

·2 years ago

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I feel kinda sorry for the person who spent $1385 for one.

lux.ra_14

·2 years ago

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Sold listings on eBay range from $1 to whatever a credulous buyer will pay:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=roybal+painting&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_blrs=recall_filtering&_sop=15

sonomabarn67

·2 years ago

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Just noticed tha the one that sold for $1385 didnt have a COAðŸ˜—

lacemaker3

·2 years ago

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@alejadi80,

I'm sorry, but you won't find any reference or bio of "J. Roybal" on any legitimate website. No museums hold any of his/her works, and none of the big brick-and-mortar auction houses (such as Sothebys, or Christies) have ever handled any of these paintings.

All that you can find are numerous conflicting "bios" on various online-only websites, which aggregate sales data from various commercial sales galleries and online sale sites. They can't agree on the artist's first name, gender, where they were born, or where they worked. The only consistent piece of info as far as I can see is they say that he/she was born in 1955. There is no other evidence, anywhere, that this person ever existed. No social media accounts, no education records, no record of any art shows or displays this person participated in. This is a good example of "fake news" misinformation from AI.

In addition to that, there are many duplicate paintings with this name, and a legitimate artist would not paint so many duplicate pieces. That is the characteristic of mass-produced factory paintings. A legitimate artist does new, original work each time. Here's a thread showing evidence of duplicates:

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Collectibles-Art/Is-my-J-Roybal-Painting-original/m-p/33798779#M155971

lux.ra_14

·2 years ago

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Probably factory paintings from China. They're in the style of Bolivian painter Graciela Boulanger, but there doesn't seem to be any real evidence that J. Roybal or Joyce Roybal actually exists.

There are purported bios online, but I wouldn't give them much credence. They seem to be just various art dealers copying the same info, with some variations. There are no photos, no website, no social media, and no gallery exhibits related to Roybal -- a supposedly prolific artist, judging from the volume of paintings that are out there.

Here's another thread on Roybal:

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Collectibles-Art/Is-my-J-Roybal-Painting-original/td-p/33798779

lacemaker3

·2 years ago

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sonomabarn67

·2 years ago

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It's actually much easier to produce a fake COA than it is to do copies of simplistic paintings. Some art galleries are quite adept at providing such papers. One might check with a few high end auction houses (Christies, Sotheby's etc) to see if they have ever sold any of these items,