The seller [Removed by Moderator] is unprofessional
The seller [Removed by Moderator] has been unprofessional and has been been selling nonstandard items on eBay. A seller who blocked a buyer without any dispute resolution on ebay is clearly mean that seller is no doubt is an offender. 91 negative feedback against this seller has come from those buyer cannot be ignored. I have my own experiences has found this seller to be an unprofessional.
48 comments
kathiec
·8 months agoI can offer a different view of "the good old days" before buyer IDs were anonymized. I received more than a few truly vile missives telling me what a horrible person I was for outbidding someone. I received a constant stream of totally unwanted offers to buy things I'd just won, usually for an amount less than I'd paid. You could also see what a member was bidding on, so I had people who relied on my expertise in the area I collect to find listings rather than do their own research. I suffered through a dozen years of this before eBay took the totally necessary step of anonymizing IDs.
What I find most interesting @couturehomecollection is that you state you "miss the days when we could contact fellow bidders in an auction". Unless you have another account, you've only been a member since August 2008. EBay began anonymizing buyer IDs in July 2008. I do agree, however, that the old forums were a treasure and are sorely missed.
couturehomecollection
·8 months agoHi, @kathiec. I'm sorry to hear about your abuse at the hands of buyers. Yes, my original id was "Primroy". I have had many positive experiences on eBay since I opened my first account in the late 90's. I have had the opportunity to be an advocate for the rights of the underrepresented in real life and have met many heros like Ralph Nadar, Molly Yard, and Paulo Reglus Neves Freire. I have never had to sell anything, but let go of a few higher value items I wish that I had kept. My predilection is to take up for the underdog and I see both weary buyers and sellers. But the buyers seem to be in the vocal minority here. I see buyers come here, time after time, confused and in desperation seeking help and someone to listen, only to be beat in the head with the eBay rule book the sellers are so familiar with, laughed at, ridiculed, and sent on their way. I have never seen so many parrots and corporate apologists until I come here. So I will take another Sabattical. Cheers and good luck to you and all!
couturehomecollection
·8 months agoYou are right, @muradmubin , and any logical person can see this, but you have come to a place where your buyer's voice will be drowned out by multiple sellers and eBay staff who are regulars here. Many apparently enjoy attacking, ridiculing, correcting math and spelling errors, and blaming the victim as many times as they can so they can get nifty badges titles by their name like "visionary". The vote inflation here is ridiculous and its readily apparent the dominant voices across the boards spend a lot of time giving each other helpfulness votes. Buyers should most certainly be made aware of bad sellers whose name should be given a special red color to highlight their infamy. But eBay has a well known legacy of making billions off of scam sellers and forged items. News reports are replete with examples. I miss the days when we could contact fellow bidders in an auction. But it "interfered" with the thousands of scammers taking advantage of buyers who are clearly at the losing end on these boards and across the eBay platform. Sellers have many more privileges here than buyers, but they pay for them and power doesn't come cheap. We get the amount of justice we can afford in America.
house*of*paws
·8 months ago@couturehomecollection
I’m a ‘regular’ here on the boards who is a ‘buyer only’. Many of your observations regarding buyers and sellers are factually incorrect, as well as simply silly … and are an example of the type of comments that get ‘corrected’.
If there is one thing that we regulars have in common … it is probably an obsession for ACCURACY.
For example, name one ‘eBay staff’ who is a regular here. Just one. 🤔
gurlcat
·8 months ago@couturehomecollection Wait, what was the virtue in being able to contact fellow bidders in an auction? I can't picture any scenario where that would be useful, maybe because I just woke up (ah the brutal reseller schedule). 😆
house*of*paws
·8 months agoHey @gurlcat
I doubt this is what @couturehomecollection had in mind ... but I once contacted the winner of an auction for about 30 pieces of flatware in a particular pattern that included 8 iced tea spoons. I had been bidding on the auction because of the iced tea spoons ONLY.
I asked the winner if they were interested in trading the iced tea spoons for 15 forks and spoons (in the same pattern) that I had extra. They agreed, and we each shipped off the agreed-upon flatware to the other. It was a great example of a win-win situation.
couturehomecollection
·8 months agoThat’s a truly great example. I also was contacted by a buyer once about something similar and it was great to chat with fellow collectors and on the old boards then when they were moderated by volunteers, very active, and well represented by experts in their field. They were too honest then and many reporters got a lot of great story ideas from them about the blatant scamming taking place. That was put down by corporate to stifle open and honest communication. We would often suggest ideas for changes on the Antiques Board where I introduced the original concept of community guides. A lot of us wrote guides to educate others and they were up until they decided to take them down. I wrote several, including a history of Meissen porcelain. It became problematic to educate consumers because this cut down on sales of the 99% of the fakes being sold as original. Bidders could also be contacted warning that really wasn’t a Ming vase they were bidding on, but rather a modern, Chinese forgery. eBay has made literally billions off of the historic export surplus of cheap foreign goods (coins, cosmetics, apparel, collectibles, cologne, electronics, pottery, porcelain, and much more ) often designed to fool and deceive unwary American and multinational consumers since the beginning. Purchasing fakes supports criminal organizations, leads to job losses, and causes tax revenue losses. Who is the bad guy depends on one’s perspective and values since time immemorial really. Some blame sellers , corporate managers, and others blame buyers-maybe a bit of each to share the responsibility for the problem?
ccomic
·8 months agoI assume to tell them when they are buying a fake. I also had great chats with fellow collectors in that era. The forums have taken the place of some of that.
muradmubin
OP8 months agoI agree with you but sometimes Seller violates the eBay policy. eBay policy as follows:
''Set buyer requirements
You can choose to block buyers based on certain criteria. For example, buyers living in a country you don't ship to, or buyers with excessive cancelled orders because they didn't pay for items.
You can also choose to exclude specific postage locations (regions, countries, PO boxes) from your listings.''
Unfortunately, a few numbers of seller abuse the policy.
gurlcat
·8 months ago@muradmubin How is it even possible for a seller to "violate" a policy that says a seller can exclude whatever buyers they want, for whatever reason they want?
muradmubin
OP8 months agoThe exclude is an additional information not violation. You have misunderstood.
gurlcat
·8 months agoWell I certainly don't understand this^. It makes no sense in the English language. And I am not being pedantic -I literally cannot even guess what you might have meant to say.
albertabrightalberta
·8 months ago@muradmubin
You're referring to buyer requirements, which is a separate setting in which sellers can choose a general block of buyers who meet those criteria. Those are not specific blocks of buyers by ID.
However ebay also allow sellers to add any buyer/ID to their blocked bidder list. This listing is for specific buyers who sellers can block for any reason or for no reason.
The blocks in sellers' settings that you're referring to and the BBL (blocked bidder list) are 2 completely different animals.
iamalwaysright
·8 months agoHow is it possible that anyone can abuse this “set buyer requirements policyâ€? It is just something a seller can just turn on or off. Enable or disable. How can you abuse something like that?
Not selling to buyers who don’t pay or specific countries/locations is considered being abusive?
msha3839
·8 months agoWe could contact fellow bidders in an auction? …🙄…if scammers take advantage of buyers, than buyers should do their homework or if they’re not intelligent enough, let someone else do shopping for them…scammers existed from the beginning of time and will continue to thrive due to stupidity,greed, luck of common sense exhibited by buyers..
couturehomecollection
·8 months agoThank you for your honesty. Your response seems to be on point with the forum mood and is quite representative of many regulars that spend time here. Exactly! Lets’s blame buyers instead of sellers when they scam because buyers are stupid, greedy, and lack common sense?
msha3839
·8 months agoNo need to thank me…🤧…I’m a buyer only and passed my share of criticism on sellers, but there is no smoke without fire..works both ways and buyers should be held to same standards…your point is to blame scammer sellers without ability to change it..how about educating buyers to trust no one and be vigilant when buying something on line, regardless what platform they use…p.s. and after reading posts by some buyers, blaming everyone around for XYZ , instead of doing their homework and reading eBay policies, stupidity/greed/ luck of common sense definitely becomes relevant as an evaluation tool..
ccomic
·8 months agoThis doesn’t mean eBay should be an enabler. So you would be for abolishing all banking laws, and eliminate the regulation of insurance. Ditch all consumer protection laws as well? After all the buyer should do their research and pick good banks, good insurance companies and carefully choose the products they buy ….
msha3839
·8 months agoYou confuse apples and oranges…banks and insurance companies provide direct services to consumers, while eBay simply a middle ground for transactions…and yes, most consumers have no idea what is FDIC insurance and keep their money in small financial institutions that are not insured and money can be lost in the case of collapse…so who’s responsible for this luck of basic knowledge? Me? You? Taxpayers?..This is a big problem in this country that many people simply too stupid to educate themselves about life…sounds harsh, but it is a real issue..
kathiec
·8 months agomost consumers have no idea what is FDIC insurance and keep their money in small financial institutions that are not insured and money can be lost in the case of collapse
I think you'll find that the vast majority of consumers are aware of what FDIC insurance is. And the size of a financial institution has absolutely no bearing on whether it's insured. Credit Unions, while not insured by FDIC, are insured by the National Credit Union Administration (NCUA), which provides similar coverage. Beyond that, 99% of financial institutions are insured by FDIC. It's only a very few foreign-owned banks, fintech apps, crypto platforms, or neobanks that partner with banks that are not FDIC-insured directly.
jerseyboymusic
·8 months ago@muradmubin
If you buy something from a seller and are not happy, the BEST thing you can do is open a INAD return and leave negative feedback.
Posting here will not warn buyers.
gurlcat
·8 months ago@muradmubin Why are you upset that you are blocked by the seller? If their feedback proves they are so terrible, why would you WANT to buy from them?
muradmubin
OP8 months agoFirst of all, thanks for yours valuable comments. A good buyer always do not buy second time when get a bad experience from the seller. I follow the same rules. Some seller with the help of scammers create a positive feedback for their product. This type of trap set by the seller and we often become a victim of this seller. Banning a seller is not a solution. A fair dispute resolution is the best solution. Without A dispute resolution if a seller block a buyer that's mean the seller is a fraud. A seller not always be a seller because the item they sales need to buy from another seller. If a seller condemned a buyer that's mean the seller condemning themselves.
gurlcat
·8 months ago@muradmubin What was the dispute that you and that seller had, before he blocked you?
muradmubin
OP8 months agoSeller does not respond to their unprofessional actives. I have many other online platform to buy and also to sell my product. I have received 100% positive feedback as a seller and as a buyer, too.
gurlcat
·8 months agoOkay look, I asked you what kind of dispute the two of you had before the seller blocked you, and this^ is your answer? Being vague only makes it look like you are hiding whatever you did and/or said that PROVOKED him into blocking you. The word "unprofessional" isn't a magic wand you can waive and make people believe you. Not in English anyway.
soh.maryl
·8 months agoI'm with gurlcat. You've been asked to give details of your problem; however, you don't want to do so for some reason. So I guess your purpose here is just to rant.
If you are looking for help or advice or just sympathy, feel free to return and give actual details.
msha3839
·8 months agoTypical third world mentality..so according to you if seller blocks buyer, seller is a fraud? Sounds like you, as a buyer, have some skeletons in the closet..
reallynicestamps
·8 months ago@muradmubin
I think I know what you mean, but English is obviously your second language, and your problems and opinions might be easier to understand if you wrote them in your first language and then used Babelfish or Google Translate to change it.
You might also be surprised at how many of your fellow sellers can understand your first language and reply in that.
Without A dispute resolution if a seller block a buyer that's mean the seller is a fraud.
No.
That means the seller does not want to deal with that customer.
Perhaps they fear fraud.
Perhaps they are fraudulent.
Perhaps they don't like the tone of the question or are concerned that the customer is unclear on what they are buying or want to buy.
And written online discussion is notoriously easy to misunderstand.
muradmubin
OP8 months agoOne may express one"s personal opinion on what they like but it does not invevitably suggest that one is acting in a professional manner.
iamalwaysright
·8 months agoA lot of ebay sellers are unprofessional. It's not their main source of income and they have other full time jobs. These sellers are amateur ebay sellers. Welcome to ebay.
short_circuit.lineman61
·8 months agoThe seller [Removed by Moderator] has been unprofessional and has been been selling nonstandard items on eBay. No rule against that, you can sell shoes on ebay 1 at a time if you wantet to
A seller who blocked a buyer without any dispute resolution on ebay is clearly mean that seller is no doubt is an offender. That means nothing other than you have annoyed the seller to the point that they are done listing to you.
If a buyer leaves me a neg or opens a return under false pretenses I block them because I am done communicating with them at that point but this only removes the buyers ability to complain to the seller or ask for a partial refund, it does not alter the ebay MBG and they can still get their money back
cityslickercreations2004
·8 months agoAnother way to view ratios. The red is what I have added.
(Quote from reallynicestamps post.)
"A seller with 91 negs and 100 positives , is a bloody awful seller. (91% negative)
A seller with 91 negs and 10,000 positives is pretty good. (0.91% negative)
A seller wth 91 negs and 100, 000 positives is awesome since some people can never be satisfied." (0.091% negative)
albertabrightalberta
·8 months ago@cityslickercreations2004
Math isn't your specialty!
As you posted, red is what you added to @reallynicestamps's post.
Blue is what I added to correct your percentages.
"A seller with 91 negs and 100 positives , is a bloody awful seller. (91% negative) 47.6% negative
Granted it's not a great seller but not as bad as you think!
bbcardzman
·8 months agoEbay should NOT ALLOW people with more than 10 negative to buy or sell on this site!!!
COME ON EBAY THIS IS COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE SOMEONE HAS THIS MANY NEGS AND IS STILL ON EBAY!!!
kibble-net
·8 months ago1.) 10 negatives out of 10 sales probably means you are already getting banned. But 10 out of 100,000 is a different story..... as the post above mine clearly outlines.
2.) It's hard to take anyone seriously who screams in all caps.
soh.maryl
·8 months agoCan you explain how ANY buyer could accumulate even one negative, let alone ten? Just curious.
gurlcat
·8 months agoI guess he's saying that if a seller gets 10 negatives they shouldn't be able to have an eBay account even for buying. 🤣
christworks
·8 months agoI bet you are really fun in person!
Let's just say eBay did exactly what you wanted. First, buyers cannot received negative feedback and have not been able to for many, many years. That means no buyers would ever be removed from the platform, and that only sellers have the possibility of being removed. Now you are left with a platform where buyers, who represent demand, exceed sellers, who represent supply, moreso than they already do now.
You are so genius, what do you think that would do to prices on eBay? Ding-dong. They will go up. Way up. Because demand will remain constant or even increase, but supply will go down. Some of that may be offset as new sellers come on board. You have to keep in mind, at the same time, new buyers will come on board, too. The point is that if eBay implemented what you have suggested, buyers will pay more to purchase items from eBay. The system can tolerate minor adjustments, but there comes a point that lower income people would be pushed off the platform. Is that what you'd like?
Second, how did you arrive at the number 10 to set the criteria for removal? Why 10? Why not 5? Why not 1? Why not 20? Why do you get to decide what is the criteria for removal? Are you financially invested in eBay? Do you consider yourself special? Have you won a Nobel Peace Prize?
Third, what period of time would eBay evaluate for 10 negatives? Is it a year? Six months? More or less? It is lifetime? In your mind should a seller who has sold 100,000 items in 20 years be banned the moment they reach 10 negative feedback?
They say ignorance is bliss. I'm not sure whether that is the term I'd use to describe it.
iamalwaysright
·8 months agoLol. Okay. So I'll just go ahead and buy 11 things from you, even with 11 different guest accounts, and leave you a negative for each one. Then it's "see ya later ebay" for your seller account.
I'd easily be able to get rid of my competition forever.
Are you starting to see how this works?
bbcardzman
·8 months agoSounds go for it
iamalwaysright
·8 months ago🤔Why would I do that to you right now? You know your "10 strikes you're out" suggestion isn't what the current policy is right? It'd just be a waste of my time.
msha3839
·8 months agoWow…must be cold weather…
reallynicestamps
·8 months agoSellers have the right to Block any member they want.
I have Blocked a member for having a childishly rude ID. I have blocked entire countries for multiple failed transactions.
Feedback is not used by eBay to assess member accounts.
It is my experience, however, that a lot of negative and neutral FB is a sign that the seller has had many more Claims against them, since after a Claim (refund) is settled, FB cannot be left.
Only naive buyers who do not know about the Money Back Guarantee leave FB, the others are refunded.
Also : ratios.
A seller with 91 negs and 100 positives , is a bloody awful seller.
A seller with 91 negs and 10,000 positives is pretty good.
A seller wth 91 negs and 100, 000 positives is awesome since some people can never be satisfied.
iamalwaysright
·8 months agoSorry you had to block me. Still not changing my ID tho.
house*of*paws
·8 months agoAnd a seller with 91 negs and 180,000 positives will have a 100% feedback rating ... without any revisions ... even if they all were received in the same year.
[It takes just under 2000 positives to cancel out each neg.]
ccomic
·8 months ago2000 positives or 1 complaint to eBay 🙂
bonanza125
·8 months agoWell name shaming is against community policy. Most stuff is purchased from random sellers so the chances of someone here dealing with this person is slim to none. Next you stated that the seller blocked a buyer without dispute. Well they can block for any reason. Sellers can block you for having a history of leaving negative feedback. Your best bet is to move on from the situation and if a buyer has a bad experience they either work with this seller or leave feedback.