Buyer's Advocate
Who is advocating for buyers? Certainly, not eBay it appears.
It's time for an independent e-commerce online court to weed out fake proxy sellers who never had physical possession of the items they publicly claimed the had for sale...and it was a **bleep** lie.
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mudshark61369
·3 years ago@9ahau,
Maybe if you did a better job of checking seller's feedback profiles, you may have avoided some of the issues you've had. Some of the recent non positives you left were for sellers from Vietnam, Indonesia, Canada, who drop ship from China. Others are obviously located in or drop ship from China, though they are registered in the U.S..
Some of the sellers you've bought from have many feedback for cancelling transactions, very slow shipping, and poor product quality. Yet since you apparently didn't check their profile pages, you had issue with them.
Where would your proposed e-commerce online court get its power from? Would it also here cases about scam buyers? If not then it would be a biased court by nature.
9ahau
OP3 years agostainlessenginecovers
·3 years agoWhat does this mean??
"buyer is a fake proxy seller"
and what is the connection of the above statement with "Seller that doesn't physically have an item in their hands to sell"?
9ahau
OP3 years agoIt means someone else have the item in a warehouse and that person gets others to go on eBay and list the that they have it for sale claiming the item is located in multi-warehouses around the country. Then the person with the warehouse promises to supposedly "drop" ships the item to have it appears as if it came from the seller that listed the item on eBay.
This is how the rich manipulates the market because they can afford to create multiple locations stocked with items, then get Tom, or Dick, or Harry, promising easy money, to go on eBay list that they each have the item for sale, instead of stating they know where to get the item (fraud in the inducement). Tom, Dick, or Harry then price each item competitively, differentiating by couple of dollars to make it appear as if the buyer is getting a deal of a lifetime. Tom, Dick or Harry never have to have an inventory...each can maintain full employment else where, claiming multiple income stream. Some even offers for sale on eBay list of warehouses around the country for others to get in on the act.
eBay knows of these tactics, claim to frown on it, then silently encourages it because they're addicted to the fees they will collect then, pretends buyers aren't aware of the corruption.
soh.maryl
·3 years agoAs a long time eBayer, you no doubt are aware of a buyer's options when a purchase goes wrong.
If you have never had to take advantage of the Money Back Guarantee in all the years you've been here, congratulations are certainly in order.
Maybe just a little refresher: Once a package leaves a seller's hands, no matter how quickly he wraps it up and ships it, he no longer has control over how soon you receive it. There is always an estimated delivery date in the listing. Once a package has failed to arrive by a day after that date, the buyer is free to open an item not received case, although, given the slowness of the USPS these days, we usually recommend waiting more than a few days, since the buyer does have 30 days to take this action.
If/when the buyer does receive his package, but it is not as described, he has 30 days to open an item not as described case with eBay.
eBay bends over backwards for its buyers, more so than for sellers. Example: all a buyer has to do is open an item not as described case, and the seller is required to send him a prepaid return label and to reimburse him in full when he receives the return. And that is the case even if/when both buyer and seller know that it IS exactly as described.
Doesn't that seem like eBay DOES advocate, and strongly, for its buyers?
9ahau
OP3 years agoYes, I have a successful record of eBay purchases, honestly I enjoy shopping in the marketplace; however, eBay continues embrace some sellers not having physical possession and even when buyer contact eBay after several effort to communicate with the seller. I know all the tricks and tactics as I sometimes sell as well.
Remember, when I buyer shops on eBay, it's just like shopping at Walmart or Albertson except it's online. The buyer had no intention for anything other a pleasant experience. Of course, it doesn't always as smoothly and even when eBay supposedly bends over backwards, it does consume the buyers time and ties up cash flow all because the buyer bought an item or two amid a lack of the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) or contract law. It seems that to eBay the contractual obligation is only on the part of the buyer to pay...that's in their interest. Every seller should be requires to understand the UCC and basic contract law.
Unavailable member
·3 years agoYou can pretty much tell that a seller is a drop shipping seller by looking at their feedback page which tells you where the seller is registered, like China for example. Then you look at where the item is being shipped from, Example Fort Lauderdale, Florida. You can bet they’re drop shipping.
Then you click the back button and find another seller.
9ahau
OP3 years agoI do that sometimes but will admit not all the time.
kathiec
·3 years agoWhat the neck is an "independent e-commerce online court"? Are they going to be able to monitor the 1.5 billion listings on eBay to make sure each of the 20+ million sellers has possession of the items they're selling? How exactly do you think they can do that? Hire a few million people to personally visit each seller and audit their inventory?
9ahau
OP3 years agoLike Judge Judy and would not need to monitor twenty millions transactions...just the ones that didn't performed contractual obligations and ask Judge Judy to step in on national TV. If the buyer can have possession of the cash, seller shall have possession of what they claimed publicly to have...it easy to pay yet the burden is the seller's duty to perform.
kalyoth
·3 years agoFirst, if you did not receive your item upon ebay, you can receive a refund under the terms of their guarantee. ebay certainly does bend over backwards to try & ensure the transaction is completed as they only make commission that way through happy repeat buyers.
As to this court you wish to see created - no such thing as independent. Every entity contains bias of some form towards some topic or goal. It might be better to investigate your sellers more completely before making that purchase. As for all those whom do have issues, there are just as large a group who do not. Find out how they avoid them & become one of them. Empower yourself directly, not through handing out more authority to others over you.
9ahau
OP3 years agoIndependent like Judge Judy however, I like your statement here: "Find out how they avoid them & become one of them. Empower yourself directly, not through handing out more authority to others over you" despite no one has power or authority over me. Consumer protect has no bias, just facts...buyer pays for an item and seller either delivers or not.
eBay is also encouraging sellers to not having physical possession of what they claimed publicly of having for sale. I have one order currently that clearly the seller don't have and is not communicating...I sent message to the seller to cancel as well as inform eBay my wish to cancel...eBay wants to give the seller five more days...self-interest bias. Where as contract law says long as the shipper doesn't have possession of the item the buyer can cancel. The seller can always apply shipping to other items or cancel shipping.
Can you refer me to the group? I have been buying on eBay for over twenty years and it seems that it's not appreciated.
kalyoth
·3 years agoSo you are fully aware of how to register/open an account with a merchant, research & purchase an item & how to make a contract agreement with a merchant already.
You seek to charge an entity with power over you as a consumer through regulation of free marketplace commerce, increasing costs to you & everyone else through the cost of the regulation you propose, the administration it requires & the costs borne by all retailers/sellers as a result of it. That is the definition of granting power or authority over you & others.
9ahau
OP3 years agoThere is no such concept as a free market...there are only free manipulations of the market by those that have market power. If there was a free market, everything in the market would be free. That's just neoliberalism nonsense to avoid real regulations by the market powers.
That's why it important that buyers to have the real identity behind the seller's ID. We buyers use to be able to get that identity via PayPal but since eBay's selling of PayPal, buyers are kept in the dark. I recently noticed that eBay started a new feature to provide sellers phone number...a step in the right direction.
If there was no regulations, the states would not able to collect sales tax while eBay prospers.
kalyoth
·3 years agoWell - best of luck to you in your wish. I will keep purchasing in the free market my family has been a part of in the US for 220 years now. Of course, the purchase of Alaska will be one of the more renowned family tales. All the best.
9ahau
OP3 years ago"the purchase of Alaska will be one of the more renowned family tales. All the best."
This is a very interesting family tale...I take it you're a member of the 1%...never met a member of the 1% before; so, it's great to meet you here informally...
kalyoth
·3 years agoActually no - just a distant relative who happened to be the Secretary of State that transacted it in 1867. But that 1% comment does explain greatly your motivations. Be well.
albertabrightalberta
·3 years agoHow are you choosing your sellers?
9ahau
OP3 years agoSometimes one sees an item, feedback says 100% then, it turns out that the buyer is a fake proxy seller. It kills the buying experience.