02-13-2024 04:57 AM
I JUST BOUGHT TWO Counterfeit STAMPS ON EBAY, AND THEY WERE LISTED AS COUNTERFEIT, AND I WAS HAPPY TO GET THEM.
US Revenue Periodical/Newspaper PR3 & PR4 COUNTERFEIT
https://www.ebay.com/itm/335244890651
https://www.ebay.com/itm/335244831901
DO YOU THINK THEY SHOULD BE BANNED ON EBAY?
THEY GO IN MY REFERENCE COLLECTION.
02-13-2024 05:00 AM
So I guess that neither you nor your seller were aware that eBay forbids the listing of any counterfeits, even if they are openly described as such?
Not sure what kind of answer you are looking for here.
02-13-2024 05:17 AM
You need to stop buying these counterfeit stamps. All your doing is supporting an illegal activity selling anything that is counterfeit. Its is a federal crime to purchase distribute counterfeit stamps. Beside it being a violation of ebay rules for selling.
02-13-2024 06:09 AM
It would have been better to report them, then buy them.
02-13-2024 01:06 PM
he seller needed to mark them on the back as counterfeit in order to sell them based on eBay's policies. It doesn't look like they did that, so you would have been better served to have reported them. You also paid a bit too much, IMO for those in that condition, they aren't hard to find in decent condition.
02-13-2024 01:19 PM
@billsey wrote:he seller needed to mark them on the back as counterfeit in order to sell them based on eBay's policies. It doesn't look like they did that, so you would have been better served to have reported them. You also paid a bit too much, IMO for those in that condition, they aren't hard to find in decent condition.
No, counterfeits can't be sold, no matter how you mark them.
02-13-2024 05:45 PM
Hi Ken,
I looked at your reecent sales feedback and I didn't see any items from the stamps category. At issue for over 20 years on eBay has been the niggling fact that within the Stamps Category have been "fakes" (modern and old), forgeries (types to fool the post office, and another category to fool collectors), "reproductions" (which can be as simple as scanned images of other stamsp), and now the term "counterfeit" is upon us.
So you understand the Stamps Category:
1. Forgeries, mostly classical 19th century forgeries, were created then for collectors to fill spaces in their albums of expensive stamps they would never otherwise own. Many of these are collectable!
2. Fakes, most often are real stamps with fake overprints or surcharges added to the real stamp. This is an easy way to make money on eBay. - https://www.rfrajola.com/Hialeah/Hialeah.htm
3. Reproductions, are usually mid-20th century to modern reproductions created in a differentform than the original. Such as engraved stamps being reproduced by offset printing, or a copy machine for the crudest reproductions.
4. Counterfeit, usually created to avoid paying the government money to use the postal system. The PO gets real upset (used to in the old days) about these. Most recent examples are those coil flag stamp andmini-sheets coming from China and sold online through various retail outlets, including eBay at one point. They are now being offered as stickers!
I cover this in very general terms because one person's fake is another person forgery, or another person facsimile.
Here's a list from Wikpedia of known classic stamp forgers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stamp_forgers
02-13-2024 05:49 PM
Please explain this eBay Category if Fakes and Reproductions are not allowed to be sold?
https://www.ebay.com/b/Fake-Reproduction-Stamps/139792/bn_2309757
02-13-2024 05:55 PM
Interesting:
I was thinking I was the only collector that still maintained a reference collection.
Looks like a good examples and useful for references, beside you got a good deal I think!
Perhaps (my thinking only) reference collection is a great tool for learning!
OK, members can now attack me!
02-13-2024 06:28 PM
@malolo wrote:Please explain this eBay Category if Fakes and Reproductions are not allowed to be sold?
https://www.ebay.com/b/Fake-Reproduction-Stamps/139792/bn_2309757
This is such a good question that it caused me to open my 'vs.' window. Read on... 🤔
As adjectives the difference between 'fake' and 'counterfeit' is that fake is not real, false or fraudulent while counterfeit is false, intended to deceive or carry appearance of being genuine.
02-13-2024 06:35 PM
@malolo wrote:Hi Ken,
I looked at your reecent sales feedback and I didn't see any items from the stamps category. At issue for over 20 years on eBay has been the niggling fact that within the Stamps Category have been "fakes" (modern and old), forgeries (types to fool the post office, and another category to fool collectors), "reproductions" (which can be as simple as scanned images of other stamsp), and now the term "counterfeit" is upon us.
So you understand the Stamps Category:
1. Forgeries, mostly classical 19th century forgeries, were created then for collectors to fill spaces in their albums of expensive stamps they would never otherwise own. Many of these are collectable!
2. Fakes, most often are real stamps with fake overprints or surcharges added to the real stamp. This is an easy way to make money on eBay. - https://www.rfrajola.com/Hialeah/Hialeah.htm
3. Reproductions, are usually mid-20th century to modern reproductions created in a differentform than the original. Such as engraved stamps being reproduced by offset printing, or a copy machine for the crudest reproductions.
4. Counterfeit, usually created to avoid paying the government money to use the postal system. The PO gets real upset (used to in the old days) about these. Most recent examples are those coil flag stamp andmini-sheets coming from China and sold online through various retail outlets, including eBay at one point. They are now being offered as stickers!
I cover this in very general terms because one person's fake is another person forgery, or another person facsimile.
Here's a list from Wikpedia of known classic stamp forgers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stamp_forgers
Stamps are no different from any other item, counterfeit is counterfeit and can't be sold.
02-13-2024 07:58 PM - edited 02-13-2024 08:08 PM
02-13-2024 08:33 PM
That seller is APS... Don't they have standards as far as destroying or at least marking them as copy or reproduction?
They shouldn't be selling them but I don't think they should be banished on ebay. They didn't try to sell them as legit.
02-14-2024 03:19 AM - edited 02-14-2024 03:32 AM
Also available in .pdf format.
Membership in the American Philatelic Society is a privilege extended to those persons and organizations deemed worthy thereof and is not a matter of right. Membership may be maintained unless the Board of Directors determines that the conduct of a member has been such that, in the best interest of the Society, membership should be suspended or terminated.
For guidance of its members, this Code of Ethics has been duly adopted by the Board of Directors and by the authority vested in it by the Constitution and Bylaws of the Society. A breach of ethics by any member reflects, directly or indirectly, upon all other members. Such a breach shall be considered conduct prejudicial to the welfare of the Society and cause for disciplinary action by the Board of Directors.
Every member is bound to adhere to the Code of Ethics. The Code is recognized and highly respected in the organized philatelic community.
The three-member Board of Vice Presidents, which serves as the judicial body of the Society, investigates alleged breaches of the Code of Ethics. The Board assures a fair hearing is accorded to the parties involved and its rulings are binding upon members.
02-14-2024 07:14 AM
Hi - and the wonderful point about this Code of Ethics is that circa 2003-2005 APS and eBay joined in an effort to stop fakes and forgeries that were being offered on eBay without describing them as such. APS provided an expert committee where buyers could report suspect offerings on eBay and have them reviewed by this committee. After a couple of years eBay ended the affiliation with APS since they thought they could handle the problem. Now 20 years later it proves eBay can't because pointing out fakes and counterfeits on eBay hurts reputation and sales on the site. Heck, the eBay Stamp Chat Board which had been in operation for more than 6 years was ended by Moderators at that time which ended collectors from reporting among themselves fakes and fraudulent items being offered on eBay.
Sure glad Delcampe came into being!