mam98031 • Volunteer Community Member • Buyer/Seller since 1999
I think the OP is now just having fun with all of us and isn't serious at all.
@9ahau wrote:Not at all, when someone mentions UCC, you should know they're more than serious...
Just because someone says UCC doesn't mean anything. They may be serious, but if they can't prove anything, it means nothing. Slinging mud around amounts to nothing but maybe libel.
What? When did Ebay say "this is like the taxes...eBay was saying it's too many transactions to collect the taxes...they found a way...correct?"
Ebay fought for years the concept of Internet sales taxes. They worked with others like Amazon all lobbying and fighting against this ever becoming law. It was their efforts that likely put it off for all the years it did as it took a ruling by SCOTUS to change things.
The argument was that small sellers / small businesses would be significantly harmed if they had to collect and remit sales taxes for multiple jurisdictions inside of all the states that have sales tax. And as it ended up SCOTUS agreed with them and ruled that the collection and remitting of sales tax from internet sales could not be overly burdensome on small businesses.
But states didn't want the nightmare of trying to do that anyway, much like how cost preventative what you want ebay to do regarding seller's inventories, trying to collect from all these sellers on all the internet site just didn't make good fiscal sense.
In January of 2019, the State of Washington was the first state to pass an MFL [Marketplace Facilitator Law] that was implemented on Ebay and other internet marketplaces. From there it was like dominoes. All the other states that charge sales tax followed.
So now the states didn't have to chase all the little guys, they left that to the Marketplaces to do and the states only dealt with the Marketplaces.
@9ahau wrote:mam9803105-04-2024 11:04 PMWhat? When did Ebay say "this is like the taxes...eBay was saying it's too many transactions to collect the taxes...they found a way...correct?"
It's an analogy...a similarity...however, you pointed out that eBay had to comply...they found a way to as you correctly noted because it's the marketplace's responsibility...just like it's their responsibility that when sellers list items for sale that the sellers have those items...as well as if the buyer determined at anytime before the seller ships, (48hrs had passed and the item is not in the possession of the shipper) that the seller doesn't have what the seller claimed, the buyer must be able to cancel and refunded immediately.
Apples and oranges.
NO, it is NOT Ebay's responsibility "just like it's their responsibility that when sellers list items for sale that the sellers have those items." I get it from this long thread that you want this to happen, but Ebay is NOT currently responsible for this, you just want them to take this job on. It won't happen for a zillion reasons that have already been explained to you but you refuse to see or accept.
"as well as if the buyer determined at anytime before the seller ships, (48hrs had passed and the item is not in the possession of the shipper) that the seller doesn't have what the seller claimed" You have some pretty unusual ideas. How in the world would a "buyer determine [d]" that a seller doesn't have some certain inventory.
And how are you defining "possession of the shipper". Is the shipper the seller? They aren't always. Sometimes the shipper is from a warehouse that the seller has their inventory stored in and someone is at that warehouse to pull and ship items as orders come in.
"the buyer must be able to cancel and refunded immediately." Buyers will never have this ability either as the buyer is not able to determine if the item has been shipped out, only the seller is. That is why buyers can REQUEST a cancellation, but can not actually process a cancellation. Not sure why you think buyers should be able to go into a sellers money and issue refunds either. Ebay isn't going to allow that and it actually sounds illegal to me, but IDK for sure.
It appears you assume that sellers that have to cancel transactions because they are OOS [out of stock] have no ramifications. Nothing could be further from the truth. Ebay keeps stats on all sellers. We are allowed a very small number of these types of cancellations before Ebay starts to sanction the seller. A seller continues with this behavior get stiffer sanctions up to actually losing their ability to sell on the site.
So Ebay already tracks this stuff.
@9ahau wrote:There is a PayPal payment as well as no shipping info or tracking info to show that the shipper has possession of the item/shipment...what more proof you need?
What are we now talking about? In the post you are responding too, you were talking about the UCC, not PayPal.
Buyers can pay with PayPal, but the transaction will be processed by Managed Payments.
I'm not at all sure I understand your question, but if you are asking a seller shipping a transaction when the buyer pays with PayPal, the tracking will be in Ebay on the transaction. The seller has no ability to post anything to the buyer's transaction with PayPal.
Give me more details about what you are actually talking to and I'd be happy to respond.
@9ahau wrote:If 48hrs pass and the tracking not showing the shipper received the item, the seller has not shipped it. ..that's exactly why the postal service start showing that they're waiting to receive the item. You know how many transactions seller accused that postal service received the item but is not updating the info.
Congress, not me, will change this...eBay is sidestepping the UCC. If the buyer informs the seller to cancel before the seller ships and do so with eBay's message system...and if the seller continues, still ships, the buyer refused the item and return to the seller...then the seller is obligated to refund payment...the seller pays for the free ride...eBay can frown all they want, it's the law...their policy does not delete the law.
You are assuming that the carrier hasn't received the item or that the seller hasn't shipped. The carrier may not have updated the tracking yet [on Ebay is it not in Real time] or the carrier may not have scanned the package in, or the seller may have had a longer handling time than 2 days, or the seller may have failed to meet their stated handling time for shipping.
That isn't why USPS started showing when a label is created. They show that info because it is valid information. Sometimes I create labels on a Sunday but don't ship until Tuesday. Or I create a shipping label later in the day on any given business day, but it doesn't ship until the next day. Or even on a Saturday but it doesn't actually ship until Tuesday because Monday is a holiday.
USPS has many issues right now and it is getting worse. You can choose to believe they don't make mistakes or you can choose to consider news reports, the serious delays there are at certain processing centers because they have closed down many other processing centers around the nation. Or any number of self inflicted issues USPS has implemented in the last few years since DeJoy took over the agency.
You are entitled to your opinion. You assume far more than I'm willing too, but still you are entitled to your opinion and others are entitled not to agree.
Not sure why you think Ebay "frowns" on the little story you cited above. Ebay doesn't care. What you describe can and does happen to sellers that are usually not as experienced. Trying to force a buyer to buy something they have asked you to cancel is never a good idea to deny their cancellation if you have not yet shipped the item. I've never said it would be a good idea and nor does Ebay. What your point is IDK. Seems you want to create stories that make it seem different than they actually are.
