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Ebay's new Offsite Ads Program- Will it kill sales?

     I just saw some information saying that this new offsite ads program ( that ebay is offering us $100 to try) is in beta testing now and sometime in 2024 should go full scale.  The intent is for ebay to no longer pay google for any ad space so our listings will only show up on google if WE pay ebay the offsite ads premiums.( so if our listing is a perfect match, it wont show unless we pay ebay more...)

    The problem is that with ebay's search engine being so overmanipulated with promoted listings and irrelevant results- most people use google to find ebay listings!

    Are they setting up a situation that will kill sales for anyone who does not pay to pay further?!

If this is the case- what value does ebay offer at all?- if we need to pay google for placement and ads- why not just get our own websites and pay google?

    My first thought is that this would only affect the "shopping" tab on google and that the general search because if google cant "look" for matching listings in its own search- what good is google then?

   Either way- ebay is providing less and less and costing more..... Isnt that what ebay is supposed to do for our FVF?- advertise and bring buyers to the platform. 

    

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Ebay's new Offsite Ads Program- Will it kill sales?

To have ANY real effect on Google for your OWN website, it would cost well over $10,000 a month. 

So that is not an option for most.

 

The rest it's best to just 'wait and see'. 

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Ebay's new Offsite Ads Program- Will it kill sales?

The problem is that ... most people use google to find ebay listings!

 

Do you have  source for that statistic?

I have never used Google to find eBay listings.

I always go directly to eBay.

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why not just get our own websites and pay google?

 

@siamjane8 

Actually, if you have your own website (or eBay store) you can submit your own listings to Google Shopping for free. 


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Will it kill sales remains to be seen!, Let's hope not!, I will not pay more than I already am.

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Ebay's new Offsite Ads Program- Will it kill sales?

I never use google to find eBay listings either, at least not initially when I'm searching, especially if I'm looking to buy something.  OTOH, I sometimes have inadvertently come across eBay listings when researching something I have that I'm getting ready to sell, especially if I do a google image search on something.  Even then, I always go to eBay's sold listings first, then eBay's present listings. Then if I can't find it in those searches, I try to find it on google.  I highly doubt anyone searching to buy something on eBay would need to go to google to find it.

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Ebay's new Offsite Ads Program- Will it kill sales?

I am just judging the potential of this program with the negative effect that the promoted listings on site have had to search relevancy and general decline in sales conversion and buyer satisfaction with the shopping experience....

       Pay to Play is never good for anyone except the "host"-(ebay in this case).  It worsens the quality of service and product and promotes the potentially less desirable sellers because they can or are willing to lose more money to fees.  At the very least- it adds to the decline of buyer and seller trust and the platform in general. It does not grow the platform, it eats away at it.......

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Ebay's new Offsite Ads Program- Will it kill sales?

They have been burning the candle at both ends for some time. Now they are digging to get to the wick in the middle. 

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Careful when Promoting Listings.
   I just added some listings "Basic Promoted".  Had to slow down several times when going forward to Opt OUT of Promoted Advanced.   eBay's getting sneaky and if you don't pay real close attention, you'll end up Promoting Advanced instead of Basic.

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@adkhighker  Im sure it depends on what you are searching for but i search (research) all day 6 days a week and have constantly found few accurate results on ebay search- then like you mentioned, I go to google and the first several results are live ebay listings that are exactly what i was searching and they did not show up on ebay search.

    Countless people that i have talked to have expressed the exact same problem.  It must be ( and obviously it is) known problem since ebay released info stating that in early 2024 they are going to change the search algorithms to get better relevancy for buyers. Agin these are algorithms so they were designed and programmed. Ebay tried forcing buyers to buy what ebay shows them instead showing them the relevant organic results and letting the buyer choose.   

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I only use google anymore. Ebay search results are so off, I don't even waste my time, google shows what you want and then I click the link to ebay. 

 

According to my statistics supplied by ebay, 40% of my page views are external.

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This is how I do it as well...Sold listings...open listings, then to google. I find google loaded with Etsy or Pinterest listings which are useless when trying to price something for the eBay market. 

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Ebays is trying to push their untested, poorly thought out, nontypical failed business plan of promoted listings scheme and instead of realizing its horrible they continue to move forward with it. Just like so many other ideas failing this country today. 

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Will it kill sales remains to be seen!, Let's hope not!, I will not pay more than I already am.


Not me.  I'll pay as much as my customers are willing to pay.

If I do a 6% promotion, I increase the sales price by 6%.

Post office charges me a buck more on average per package, I raise shipping prices by a buck.

 

I don't understand why this concept is so foreign to many business people.  What do you think the big companies do?  The same thing.  That's what inflation IS.  

 

When the post office, and eBay and all the others who have their hands in my pocket take too much, then my customers will stop buying and I will have to find something else to do for a living.  

It's not up to me.  I just work here.  

But I won't work for nothing. 

 

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@siamjane8 I've been seeing some speculation going around with some YouTubers about this and honestly, some of what I've seen strikes me as clickbait fear mongering more than anything.

 

I've seen some claim in the future Offsite Cost Per Click Ads will be the only way to get any visibility for your eBay items on Google - not making any distinction between organic and paid visibility - and that's just not true.

 

The vast majority of eBay's traffic is organic (in the past I believe they've said something like 80%+). Here's what Jamie said on the most recent earnings call when asked about competition from Temu and Shein.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4648867-ebay-inc-ebay-q3-2023-earnings-call-transcript 

 

Yeah. No, I don't think it's in particular any specific other competitive thing. Like your question on Temu, we’ve not seen a significant impact from Temu or Shein on our business. When we look at our cross-border trade as Steve talked about, it continues to remain healthy. We believe that's because of our differentiated strategy and our approach.

 

If you remember, we've been talking about this for a while. We've been strategically moving away from low quality, low ASP items, and that hasn't been a focus for us for years.

 

I think the other big difference for our platform, Ross, is that we’re – a vast, vast majority of our traffic is organic. So I think as others are implicated by kind of the paid search or other marketing spend out there in the market, we're less so and more resilient, just because so much of our traffic is driven organically on the platform.

 

While there may be fluctuations and changes coming this year that could impact organic performance, Google is not going to suddenly stop organically indexing almost 2 Billion listing URLs and eBay is not going to block Google crawlers to prevent them from indexing those pages.

 

Bottom line, I do not believe there is any scenario where pay per click advertising will be the only way for your items to be visible and discoverable on Google, period.

 

Now, if we're just talking about paid Google placements, I do agree to some extent that eBay wants to shift sellers into the new cost per click program as much as possible - but even there, I do not believe they will make it the only option going forward, at least not any time soon (this year).

 

For many years eBay proudly patted themselves on the back for the fact that while appearing in Google ads wasn't actually free, they enabled millions of listings weekly to be shown in those spots without charging sellers anything extra, because it was an "investment".

 

Just one example from 2020:

 

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/Traffic-Month-How-to-show-up-in-Google-Shopping/ba-p/309... 

 

"Unlike on some other platforms, eBay sellers pay nothing extra to appear in Google Shopping. It’s included in your eBay fees, and fixed priced listings are automatically eligible to get pulled into Google Shopping results."

 

"Every week, eBay millions of site visits from paid-search marketing, including Google Shopping. Getting listings to show up in Google Shopping isn’t free, but like we said before, our sellers pay nothing extra for this exposure. It’s an investment eBay makes in our sellers, and one we know is worth it."

 

When they introduced External Placement for Promoted Listings Standard in 2021, many sellers were concerned that meant eBay was moving away from the previous "free" inclusion in Google ads and would be giving a preference to PLS ads for those slots.

 

eBay was fairly vague about it at the time and simply said PLS External would provide "incremental visibility" across the web and that if sellers opted out, their listings would still be eligible to appear in Google ad placements (though of course eligible does not mean guaranteed).

 

https://www.ebayads.com/2021/08/04/announcing-external-promoted-listings-connecting-with-shoppers-ac... 

 

I saw a lot of the same concerns being raised when Offsite Ads beta was first introduced last year as well, again believing that while technically listings not enrolled in any advertising may still be eligible, eBay is including them less and less and that those placements may possibly be reserved mostly for vertical focus category products or other items where eBay may still feel it is a worthwhile "investment".

 

As eBay opens up Offsite Ads to more sellers, it's possible we might eventually see some shifts where PLS External placements are reduced in favor of Offsite Ads.

 

With PLS External, eBay only collects their ad fee if the item sells but they are still paying Google ad fees regardless. With Offsite Ads being a cost per click model, in theory they are covering the Google ad fees and making some profit whether or not the item sells. So I can definitely see why eBay would prefer to get sellers to adopt Offsite Ads instead.

 

However, eBay also knows that many sellers are risk averse and for the most part prefer the Cost Per Sale model over Cost Per Click.

 

Just look at how this has played out with onsite ads Promoted Listings Standard vs Advanced CPC - while eBay has been pushing to try to get sellers to use Advanced, the vast majority who use Promoted Listings at all are sticking with Standard and eBay knows they'd be killing the golden goose if they got rid of it.

 

Similarly, I don't believe eBay will get rid of Promoted Listings Standard External placements all together either - again, while they'd certainly rather be making that sweet pay per click money, they'd also rather get something than nothing and given the importance of ad revenue across the board to their financial reports and Wall Street sentiment, they can't really afford to lose steam on their main "workhorse" Promoted Listings Standard program.

 

The "ideal" that I believe eBay is probably really shooting for with offsite/external ads is likely similar to what they are shooting for with onsite ads - a mix of different ad products to fit a variety of business models and seller needs/concerns in hopes that sellers will adopt at least one option, putting more revenue in eBay's coffers.

 

And just like with the various onsite ad options, eBay may use promotional offers, fee credits, algorithms, "suggested rates" and other methods to try to influence seller behavior and/or engineer specific outcomes that they believe are most beneficial to their bottom line. I just don't personally see how doing away with PL Standard External would serve that purpose at this time or any time in the near future.

 

Of course eBay wants to offer the CPC option to those who will use it because they may stand to make more money. But for the (I believe) vast majority of sellers who would simply not pay to promote externally at all if that was the only option, eBay would much rather still be able to make an extra percentage of the sale than nothing.

 

So my personal prediction is a bit more nuanced -

 

I do believe we will continue to see less and less "free" inclusion in Google ads, especially if players like Shein and Temu continue to be willing to burn giant wads of cash, driving up the cost of competing for that ad space.

 

I don't believe Promoted Listings Standard External is going anywhere, but I do think it's possible eBay may become much more targeted/selective on placements with preference going to key vertical focus category products and non-focus vertical sellers likely seeing a ratcheting up of ad rates to maintain the same levels of external promotion they have received previously.

 

And finally, I do believe eBay will also continue pushing sellers to adopt Offsite Ads Cost Per Click through various promotions, PR campaigns, and possibly even algorithmic tweaks in some areas.

 

 

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