Satsuma x2?

[collectorheaven]

two pieces. Very different styles. How to identify the ages based on the styles? Or is it even feasible? The first piece is far more refined feels much more delicate in the hand then the second piece. The second piece is far more attractive in terms of the extent of hand painting. Each has a very minimal  mark.  The first "feels "older. Looks older visually.Bummer..

Better.

Mark on piece number one.

2nd piece... more prolific.

Very thick hand painting.

Mark on peace number 2.

Just for size and style comparison.

[familycollectiblesstore]

There are so many different types of Satsuma, I did a search about a year ago that about made my eyes bleed.. I'll see if we can dig up any of the notes on Styles and handles. Hold on tight I'm sure there is someone here that can give the answer that you need. Best, V76

[familycollectiblesstore]

Nice photos. Sorry forgot to include that!

[collectorheaven]

Thanks!  yes I know, gaudy, something like "gordy", ...Satsuma out of Ireland? Scottish... so from what I understand Satsuma refers to the process. Before this I honestly thought all Satsuma  was Japanese.  So much information to wade through. Still trying to get an approximate production date ... I see now under groups there is a specific category for this type of thing. Perhaps I'll check it out. Thanks for the helpfuls everyone ! First badges! 

[collectorheaven]

So I visited gotheborgs as suggested in another post on Asian antique group, the marks are very simple, may just go unidentified.

[gracieallen01]

It is Japanese moriage Satsuma  vase.  Moriage is the very heavily applied enamels.  As far as Satsuma, the primary reason it is considered Satsuma is the material it is on - It is a faience type clay -  what Satsuma is made with.  It probably dates from the 1890s to the 1930s.  Looks like the top of one was broken off and the top edge was ground.

[collectorheaven]

Thank you so much I was wondering about the odd shape of the top. "Jug" just didn't feel right.

[patd3283]

Don't see moriage (an applied cake like slip) but do see a lot of beautiful enameling.

A lot of moriage is misidentified on ebay.

[collectorheaven]

Thank you all for looking at my post! They're both beautiful in their own way, and I'm looking into the broken off Theory, I find it fascinating that someone would take the time to grind it down and keep the piece! I was going to list them, I actually think I'm going to keep them. I think they are collection starters! And as far as moriage goes, it is so interesting!