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Vintage Clothing & Accessories

Seems very vintage. I just can't make out what it says. 

 

Notice the swords crossing if that helps

http://www.styleforum.net/content/type/61/id/1599887/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL

 

 

 

 

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I am hoping my recent experience can help others. I just purchased what was advertised as a Ceil Chapman, and when it was ill-fitting, I decided to look into the dress further. Upon close examination, the Ceil Chapman label had been removed from somewhere else, because I can see the stitching on the top of it, but no stitching in the dress where it would have originally been attached, and was tacked on with a thread. The first thing to remember in vintage designer and couture items is that the label is most generally sewn inside one of the side seams and not tacked on with a few threads. You should look for signs of previous stitching. Secondly, I was told that the cleaners had removed and repositioned the tag, and most if not all cleaners would not do this, because this totally compromises the integrity and provenance of the garment. Thirdly, this dress has a union label in it and Vintage Fashion Guild is an extremely valuable resource in dating garments by documenting when union labels were used. This particular union label dates this dress from 1963-1974, which definitely was past Ceil Chapman's time unless she designed with Samuel Winston. (and used a totally different label then). Also another clue for authenticating things is that this dress has a size 9 label in it, and Ceil Chapman did not mass produce things in several sizes like you see in a department store in many sizes. That is another clue it is a fake. yet another clue is that this seller is selling another Ceil Chapman that also has a "made in Hong Kong" label and Ceil would never have made her dresses in Hong Kong, Knockoffs maybe, but not original Ceil. Museum people and experts I've talked to just cringe at hearing this. 

Be ultra careful what you say in your communication with the seller if you are disappointed in something, because the fact that I originally commented on the size (which was the whole reason, along with the fabric, design and label clues that I mentioned that caused me to question it) enabled the seller to call in before I was eligible to escalate it and talked ebay into closing out and refusing my refund request. Ebay refuses to honor the protection program, even though they said they agree with my proof that it is a fake, because I mentioned size. 

It is my hope that my experience can help others from becoming duped and scammed like I was. 

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