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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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arlinedak wrote:

Dear pres if you

 

but also get much of my information from the arguments presented here, and the links to back them up. I am my own "analyst". We all need to separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

 

Then you are greatly misinformed.

 

When I walk away from this board,,,,,,,,it changes my opinion nada. 

 

You have the most right wing and left wing people on this box, some are extreme and if you listen to them and take it to the bank...then well I feel sorry for you. 


I pretty much know your mind is made up and will only change if Obama waffles or "evolves".

 

I don't take anyone's commentary "to the bank", in fact I take them all "with a grain of salt". Arguments are to be weighed, and assessed as to credibility, much like what happens in a trial. I don't automatically accept anyone's point of view. But some are rather easy to summarily dismiss.

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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Dear pres if you

 

but also get much of my information from the arguments presented here, and the links to back them up. I am my own "analyst". We all need to separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

 

Then you are greatly misinformed.

 

When I walk away from this board,,,,,,,,it changes my opinion nada. 

 

You have the most right wing and left wing people on this box, some are extreme and if you listen to them and take it to the bank...then well I feel sorry for you. 

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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arlinedak wrote:

Well it kind of stands to reason that the one of the major political parties in this country has a lower approval rating than a bowl of poop,,,tells you right off the bat that we are heading in the wrong direction....we need the UNITED STATES to come together....we can't do it alone!!! 

 

People are saying the SHUTDOWN is now called the Seinfeld shutdown,,,shutdown about nothing.

 

And if you want to ignore the polls go right ahead, but your fearless repubs are seeing red turned to blue.


When the top cheerleaders for Obamacrats have nothing positive to say about their own party, other than "they suck less" than the other party, those of us who are not loyal apologists and defenders, (blood oath devotees) to either, conclude that we are all in agreement that both parties suck.

 

The political climate is rife for opportunity should a well recognized honest candidate from a third party enter the fray.

 

I, for one, will watch some coverage on CNN, and some on FOX, but also get much of my information from the arguments presented here, and the links to back them up. I am my own "analyst". We all need to separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

If one limits their exposure to the news to sources that tend to present it in a light most favorable to the party in control, he or she might as well live in China, or North Korea.

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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And I could put up at least a million links about the shutdown. That's my point.

 

Your stupid shutdown is drowning out the rollout of Obamacare.

 

You guys were so itching to shut down the government, you forget to find a reason to do it. Yup, you proved you can do it! Do you feel special now?

 

With how low the Republican brand is right now, it wouldn't surprise me if Chris Christie loses his re election.



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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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arlinedak wrote:

Take that to the bank..................those links mean nothing!!


How would you know? You don't do links.

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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Well it kind of stands to reason that the one of the major political parties in this country has a lower approval rating than a bowl of poop,,,tells you right off the bat that we are heading in the wrong direction....we need the UNITED STATES to come together....we can't do it alone!!! 

 

People are saying the SHUTDOWN is now called the Seinfeld shutdown,,,shutdown about nothing.

 

And if you want to ignore the polls go right ahead, but your fearless repubs are seeing red turned to blue.

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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Original estimate for efficient working ACA Website:  $93.7 million

 

Actual current cost for boondoggle disaster known as ACA Website: $634.5 million

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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Why did you leave out the parts about 78% said the country is going in the wrong direction and 60% think ALL members of Congress should be fired??

 

Just like the articles about how business leaders are not supporting the Republicans while overlooking the fact that they aren't supporting the President or the Democrats either. 

 

As for the ACA being more "popular" - I wonder how many of those 1000 or so polled have actually been affected by it.

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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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Your party made so many missteps, the whole country thinks you should just go away....

 

Take that to the bank..................those links mean nothing!!

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The U.S. Capitol at daybreak in Washington, DC, on October 1, 2013. (Photo By Douglas Graham/CQ Roll Call/Getty Images)

The Republican Party is not just losing the shutdown, it’s losing it in historic fashion.

The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC survey finds just 24% of Americans hold a positive opinion of Republicans–a record low for the modern party. Meanwhile, Barack Obama’s approval rating has bumped up slightly in the last month to 47%. Even worse for Republicans, Obama’s signature health care law –which triggered the shutdown in the first place–is now liked by a higher percentage of Americans than at any point this year.

Democratic pollster Peter Hart and Republican pollster Bill McInturff ran the survey. Here’s a breakdown of the findings and what they mean:

Republicans hemorrhaging support

The damage to the Republican brand from the shutdown is immediate and severe. Just 24% of Americans have a positive opinion of the Republican party in Thursday’s WSJ/NBC poll versus 53% who have a negative opinion, a 13 point swing since September. That’s even worse than the 28% favorable rating Gallup recorded on Wednesday, and like Gallup’s showing, it’s a new record for the pollster. Even fewer respondents–21%–have a positive view of the Tea Party, another new low.

In case there was any mystery what’s driving the numbers: Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown over President Obama by a 53-31 margin. Of those polled, 70% say Republicans are putting politics ahead of their country, versus just 27% who say they’re showing strong leadership in standing up for their beliefs.

Democrats, Obamacare gaining support The silver lining Republicans spotted in some pre-shutdown polls was that Americans seemed poised to take their anger out on both parties, or the more generic “Washington.”

Nope. President Obama’s approval rating is up slightly in the WSJ/NBC poll to 47-48 versus 45-50 last month. Democrats now lead Republicans on a generic Congressional ballot 47-39, a five point bump in the same period.

But the number that’s truly apocalyptic for Republicans is respondents’ views of the Affordable Care Act. The law is actually gaining support in the latest poll: 38% of respondents now say the law is a good idea versus 43% who say it’s a bad idea, a major bump from the 31-44 margin it polled last month and its best result in over a year. The surge in support comes despite a glitch-filled rollout of the law’s exchanges that’s proving a publicity problem for the White House.

The entire animating principle behind Senator Ted Cruz’s pre-shutdown strategy was that a confrontation over funding the law would shine a spotlight on its weaknesses, leading Americans to rally to the GOP’s side. Instead it looks as if the GOP’s unpopularity is producing a rally effect in support of the ACA. It’s an utterly bonkers result that undercuts the most basic conservative assumptions about the shutdown.

“I will be the first to admit it’s not like every single American is in love with the bill,” Neera Tanden, president of the liberal Center for American Progress, told MSNBC after reviewing the latest numbers. “But Americans are practical and they believe that now that we have it as a law we should try to make it work.”

A predictable result

One critical piece of context for the latest numbers: the depth of the GOP’s lows may be a stunner, but the overall trend is 100% in line with predictions that Democratic pollsters and a number of Republicans have made for months.

Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, for example, has been leading an exhaustive project to analyze the Republican base through polls and focus groups in order to map out an optimal message for Democrats in 2014. When he published his first round of findings in July, he claimed that Republicans’ biggest weakness is not that their ideology is too extreme–they actually seemed to be in OK shape–but that they’re too obstructionist. As he put it:  “People are desperate for effective things to happen and the House is blocking everything.”  This issue produced the biggest split between the Tea Party and evangelical wings of the GOP versus its moderate and independent wings. Greenberg’s research found the first two groups were almost uniformly hostile to Obama’s agenda while the latter two were much more interested in compromise, suggesting the issue might be a potent wedge.

True to his analysis, the current crisis is dividing those poles of the party like never before, both within Congress and among rank and file voters. The latest WSJ/NBC poll finds non-Tea Party Republicans have wildly divergent views of the shutdown: 83% of Tea Party respondents blame Democrats for the shutdown versus just 57% of non-Tea Party Republicans. And while only 29% of Tea Party respondents say Republicans are putting politics ahead of country, a majority  of non-Tea Party Republicans –53% — agree with that statement.

You can see early signs of this split on the state level as well. Senator Mike Lee, a top Cruzy ally, is tanking in popularity, according to a new Brigham Young University poll of ultra-red Utah voters. And the reason is exactly the same: among Tea Party Republicans, 90% say Lee shouldn’t back down on stopping Obamacare, while 51% of non-Tea Party Republicans say he should compromise even if it means funding the law. There’s evidence the shutdown is depressing Republican Ken Cuccinelli’s support in the Virginia governor’s race as well even though he’s tried to distance himself from the affair.

No easy way out

This moderate revolt is a bit of a reversal from the norm–usually Republican divisions in the polls are chalked up to Tea Partiers angry that the GOP isn’t conservative enough. It’s Speaker Boehner’s fear of angering these base voters that’s driving his strategy. The latest polls suggest that in pacifying his most conservative voters, he’s enraged just about everyone else. Given Democrats’ refusal to offer any meaningful concessions, there’s no obvious path out of the current fight that won’t leave a major chunk of the party deeply upset. And polls like today’s are only likely to harden the White House’s position at the negotiating table.

“It’s a concern, but it’s not an easily fixed concern, because if they cave in to the president then they alienate their base, and it’s not like Democrats are suddenly going to love them,” John Feehery, a GOP strategist and former aide to Speaker Dennis Hastert, told MSNBC. “So they’ve got to be real careful on this thing.”

While the effects of the shutdown on government and the economy are felt by all sides, it’s no longer a question who’s “winning” the shutdown politically. The question now is how Republicans get out of it and how lasting the damage will be once they do.

–Zachary Roth contributed to this report

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jason_incognito
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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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With story after story making them look bad....

 

Like did you know that the private gym for Congressional members only is considered esential and is still open? But the gym for staffers closed?

 

And the subway that the Congressmen use is still up and running so that they don't have to walk that 1000 feet?



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jason_incognito
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Re: Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

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And all the misteps with the rollout of Obamacare is barely getting airtime on any news other than Fox.

 

If it weren't for the shutdown, the lead story everywhere would be about how the whole of Obamacare is tanking, and American opinion of the program would likely be going down.

 

 But instead Republicans are hogging the headlines.



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Republicans swirling the bowl, and ACA is more popular thanks Cruz

For Republicans, the last 10 days have felt like falling down a darkened elevator shaft: You want to hit bottom, but wonder about the odds of survival.

In what has become an almost daily occurrence, Thursday night brought another poll showing the damage the party has suffered as a result of the government shutdown. A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that the party’s popularity had dropped and Americans were far more likely to blame them for the goings-on in Washington than their Democratic opponents.

A recap:

--Only 24% of Americans had a favorable view of Republicans, the lowest figure in the poll’s multi-year history and four percentage points lower than last month. Another low: only 21% had a favorable view of the tea party.

--President Obama’s standing was relatively stable, the pollsters said, moving from 45% favorable last month to 47% now, within the poll’s margin of error of 3.5 points. Democrats overall were at 39% positive, with congressional Democrats at 36%.

--70% of Americans said Republicans were putting politics ahead of what was best for the country. A lesser 51% said that about Obama.

Those numbers could certainly change. An extended shutdown or a break in negotiations that started Thursday could persuade Americans to throw in the towel with everyone in D.C. (The poll ended Wednesday night, before glimmers of hope surfaced Thursday.) If things go well, too, legislators will have time to reboot their images before election day 13 months from now.

But underlying poll conclusions suggested that recovery will not be easy. Despite a concerted GOP effort to blame Democrats for the shutdown, Americans blamed Republicans by a 22-percentage-point margin (53% to 31%). During the last government shutdowns in the Clinton administration, the pollsters noted, Republicans received less blame, but even that was politically damaging because it helped Clinton win reelection.

Voters typically are more critical of Congress as a body than of their own member of Congress — but the trend in the poll on a question about the 2014 campaigns followed the direction of everything else: Last month, voters preferred a Democratically-controlled Congress to the present Republican House by 3 percentage points. This month, the difference is 8 points.

Most hurtful to the Republican cause, the program the party sought to gut is gaining in popularity as time goes on. Almost 4 in 10 saw the nation’s healthcare program as a good idea, up from just over 3 in 10 a month ago. The percentage of people who disapproved of shutting down the government in pursuit of killing the law also ticked up slightly.

The temptation, for Republicans at least, may be to dismiss the survey, or to remind the country that the only poll that counts is on election day, and much time and political intrigue stands between now and then. But the sheer echo of multiple polls saying the same thing threatens to overwhelm those arguments, like a storm creating its own weather.

Just this week, an Associated Press-GfK survey showed that Congress had dropped to an approval rating of 5%.

More in line with the NBC/WSJ poll, a Gallup survey showed the Republican Party viewed favorably by only 28% of Americans, down 10 percentage points in a month. The rating was the lowest for any party since Gallup started asking the question 21 years ago. Democrats, too, had suffered, but they started higher and fell less.

cathleen.decker@latimes.com

Twitter: @cathleendecker

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I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.

Susan B Anthony
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GZ can't get a 158 pound kid off him, but he can get a family of four out of an overturned truck....too funny

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