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Registered: ‎06-16-2006

Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to nanapong1

nanapong1 wrote:

I was never quite sure whether we original SBers were welcome to post on this thread, since it was plopped here by the modswithout any input from its posters. No reason to think we weren't welcome really, just wasn't sure.


Interesting comment and understandable concern.

 

To start with, we were never sure why this OT political thread was "plopped here by the mods" while another OT thread about band music was allowed to remain in the C&PM forum.

 

And to add further confusion, this thread in the C&PM forum was heavily censored by the mods while it appeared to many of us at that time that the SB was allowed to operate under "jungle rules".

 

Finally, the reports in PM's were that some posters from here who ventured into the SB were met with a barrage of hostile comments and ad-hominem insults.

 

It looks like most of that is behind us now and we can engage in civil discussions without fear of verbal personal assault.

 

Here's hoping.....


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to baybizz

baybizz wrote:

I agree with Sheba.  Odie, I think you would get more responses by taking part in threads on individual topics, or start up your own on specific subjects. .....


Thanks for the comments.

 

I have done both recently and must admit for the most part I'm pleased with the way the discussions went. There are a few posters who use every topic as an excuse for Bush bashing or regurgitating party line slogans but no more so than in this forum.

 

One major difference remains: People who posted unfounded or purely emotional positions here were routinely called out to provide verifiable sources while the SB appears to be more of a "free exchange of opinions" even if those opinions amount to unfounded speculation, inane comments and/or illogical nonsense.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens if I attempt to apply the same standard for verifiable sources in that forum.


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to nanapong1

Everybody is welcome.  We weren't sure if we were welcomed as evidenced by some of the soapbox posters.  As one said, that's what we need is another pd thread.  But we did settle in but as odie said and as I concur, it was dying a slow death.

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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to baybizz

I was never quite sure whether we original SBers were welcome to post on this thread, since it was plopped here by the modswithout any input from its posters. No reason to think we weren't welcome really, just wasn't sure.

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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to odiescoins

 

I agree with Sheba.  Odie, I think you would get more responses by taking part in threads on individual topics, or start up your own on specific subjects. See the Donald Trump for President thread which has over a thouand recent responses.

 

If you fancy travelling a bit, try the busy Australian board, which often has some lively international discussions:

 

http://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/bd-p/2500000007

 

 

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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to sheba*

sheba* wrote:

All good things must come to an end...

 

I think, as an off-topic thread on another board, it served its purpose.

 

But, here on the box, everything is "off topic".

 

With it now being here,  the problem I have with it in its current form is that it tries to cover a multitude of topics, when each of those topice is generally its own thread on the box.

 

I thoroughly enjoy your posts, and even though this thread may fade away, I sincerely hope you will still be posting on the individual threads.


Thanks for the kind words.

 

Part of our reason for trying to keep it alive is that the lack of moderation in the Soapbox at the time we landed here presented a "jungle rules" atmosphere that our regular posters refused to put up with.

 

Except for a couple of "regulars", from what I have seen lately the situation on the box has changed and most folks are interested in civil exchanges without the ad-hominem attacks that prevail on many political threads.

 

Finally, you can rest assured that I will be posting in the individual threads. The mental discipline keeps my 76 year-old mind active and the pure fun of tearing nonsense apart is entertaining.


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to odiescoins

All good things must come to an end...

 

I think, as an off-topic thread on another board, it served its purpose.

 

But, here on the box, everything is "off topic".

 

With it now being here,  the problem I have with it in its current form is that it tries to cover a multitude of topics, when each of those topice is generally its own thread on the box.

 

I thoroughly enjoy your posts, and even though this thread may fade away, I sincerely hope you will still be posting on the individual threads.

 

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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

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in reply to odiescoins

Well, a week has passed since I posted my question and only Walter has responded so I guess it's time to just let this thread die a natural death.

 

In that light, I will not originate any new discussions but will reply if someone else does.

 

It's a shame considering that some version of this thread has been around since before the 2008 election garnering tens of thousands of posts.

 

In its original form the thread was in the C&PM Forum serving the purpose of keeping heavy political discussion out of C&PM related posts. However when the new board managers took over, they decided in their infinite wisdom to move the thread to the Soapbox where it began a slow death.

 

The reason they gave for that forced move was that the thread was Off Topic and didn't belong with C&PM related posts. I guess that makes sense if they were consistent in their approach. They were not and allowed another Off Topic thread about your favorite band music to operate unimpeded in the C&PM forum. Now it looks like that entire forum has disappeared.

 

All good things must come to an end and it looks like it's time for that here. My thanks to those who helped make this one of the longest running threads in eBay community history.

 

Sayonara.


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to odiescoins

Yes odie you have tried to keep a once lively and interesting thread alive but maybe it's all in vain.  I remember when it was on the C&PM board.  There used to be such a lively and interesting discussion  Maybe this was the intent of the mods, to diminish this thread.   Maybe it's time to just let it die.  I thought southernstar was coming back and smedley but they quickly dropped out.  A shame about ted.  It was fun while it lasted

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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to ted_200

A general question for those who have regularly posted here:

 

There is no doubt in my mind that this thread has been dying a slow death since it was pulled form the Coin thread and banished to the Soapbox.

 

Ever since Ted (the OP) stopped posting I have tried to keep the thread alive resulting in a bunch of my posts going unanswered and appearing to dominate the thread.

 

That is not my intent and IMO should not be the case.

 

So now I am wondering if it's worth trying to keep the thread alive, particularly when the Soapbox serves the same purpose and has a much broader base of participants.

 

What do you think?


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to ted_200

Not only did the Cruz campaign fraudulently state that Carson was dropping out
http://time.com/4203730/ben-carson-ted-cruz-caucus-dirty-tricks/

 

but his campaign blamed CNN for the "mistake".
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/03/media/ted-cruz-ben-carson-cnn-controversy/index.html

 

Fraud and lying - not the kind of conduct one would expect from a candidate who wears his religion on his sleeve and brags about it.


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to ted_200

As I sit here listening to the political pundits talking about the results of the Iowa caucuses, I realize that our educational system has turned out an entire generation of dyed-in-the-wool Socialists.

 

A ray of hope from Iowa: a virtual tie among the top two Democrats is hardly the "decisive victory" Sanders projected despite the record turnout he said he needed to do so.

 

And Trump was not the "big winner". The Republican results IMO now show a distinctive three way race that will probably not be settled anytime soon:


Cruz 28%
Trump 24%
Rubio 23%

 

It appears those voting Republican are listening to reason rather than raw emotion and we now have one viable candidate who can work with a diverse Republican Congress.


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to ted_200

Gabby Giffords in Iowa yesterday:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gabby-giffords-makes-emotional-plea-hillary-clinton-caucus/story?id=3...

 

"Speaking is hard for me," the former congresswoman said on stage at Iowa State University. "But January, come January, I want to say these two words: Madame President."

 

I would think that 7 years of Obama would have taught us about the dangers of voting for "historic first" anything, particularly an inveterate liar who refuses to accept responsibility for her actions.


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to odiescoins

Meanwhile as Hillary still tries to dodge felony charges for her deliberate mishandling of highly sensitive classified documents, the Defense Department apparently has refused to demote Petraeus for his conviction on one criminal count of mishandling classified information.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/01/30/pentagon-not-dock-petraeus-star/79564214/

 

Retired General David Petraeus will not be docked one star for his conviction on charges of leaking classified information to his biographer and former lover, according to a letter sent by the Pentagon to the Senate and obtained by USA TODAY.

 

Stephen Hedger, a top official for legislative affairs, wrote Friday to Sen. John McCain saying that Defense Secretary Ash Carter considers the Petraeus matter closed, according to the letter, which was obtained by USA TODAY from the Senate.

 

Too bad the Obama administration doesn't exercise the same diligence in prosecuting Hillary Clinton who not only mishandled classified information but also destroyed evidence and flat out lied about her responsibility and culpability.


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George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to ted_200

It looks like Rubio may finally be gaining some traction and IMO it's about time given what I see in the top two candidates from both parties.

 

On the Democratic side I see a person whose views of her capabilities and integrity are distinctly at odds with reality battling against a registered Socialist who has yet to explain how we will pay for his "freebie" nirvana.

 

And on the Republican side I see a person equally as narcissistic as Obama who engages in ad-hominem insults rather than debate the issues battling against an arrogant self-absorbed Senator who claims he will do everything but can't even get his colleagues in the Senate to endorse him.

 

I also find it interesting that these results from RealClearPolitics General Election Match-ups show Rubio is the only candidate who could beat both Clinton and Sanders. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

 

Top 3 Republicans Against Clinton:

Clinton 44.0
Trump 41.3
Clinton +2.7

 

Cruz 46.8
Clinton 45.5
Cruz +1.3

 

Rubio 47.0
Clinton 44.5
Rubio +2.5

 

Top 3 Republicans Against Sanders:

Sanders 46.8
Trump 41.5
Sanders +5.3

 

Sanders 45.0
Cruz 41.7
Sanders +3.3

 

Rubio 44.0
Sanders 43.0
Rubio +1.0

 

I know it's way too early to draw any significant conclusions from these polls, but perhaps we have a ray of hope in an otherwise dismal picture for our country's future.


If we desire to secure peace, . . . it must be known, that we are at all times ready for war.
George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to ted_200

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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to ted_200

Supreme Court Will Rule On Obama's Immigration Policy Before 2016 Election
The justices added an unexpected constitutional wrinkle to the case.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/supreme-court-immigration-obama-executive-actions_us_56991e9ee4b...

 

President Barack Obama's executive actions on immigration, stuck in legal limbo for the past year, will get a Supreme Court
hearing before the 2016 presidential election. .....

 

The president can now seek Supreme Court vindication of his decision in November 2014 to defer the deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants, who have waited for years for comprehensive immigration reform.

 

But the court added an unexpected wrinkle when it agreed to hear the case: It asked the federal government and the states suing it to address whether the executive actions on immigration violate the Constitution's take care clause -- an issue that was not definitively decided by lower courts that have ruled on the case.


This means lawyers for both sides will essentially have to argue whether Obama's decision to defer deportation is an abdication of his duties as chief executive.

 

Now the question is whether the SCOTUS will again play word games with Constitutional terms to allow a decision in Obama's favor


If we desire to secure peace, . . . it must be known, that we are at all times ready for war.
George Washington
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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to ted_200

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"Even with a blizzard pounding the D.C. area, The Old Guard is continuing to

stand guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery.
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/79994118-story

 

I really have to wonder if those politicians who are trying to cut military benefits

deserve that kind of dedication.


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George Washington
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Registered: ‎01-25-2003

Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to sheba*

 

>>#13406: I worked in a union "shop", and I could choose not to belong to the union.  But they were still able to take the equivalent of the union dues out of my paycheck...

That's been illegal in the UK for years:

>> Paying your union subscription by the "check-off"...
By law, your employer cannot deduct trade union subscriptions from your pay without your written permission....  You can also ask your employer to stop taking money from your pay for union check-off deductions at any time... Your employer is responsible for making sure that any check-off deductions they make are lawful...

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/trade-union-subscriptions



The current UK Conservative Government is also proposing new legislation with regard to employees of government departments ('Public Sector Workers'):

>> Plans to stop public sector workers automatically paying subscriptions to trade unions through their salaries have been unveiled by the Government...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33798700

www.telegraph.co.uk/11786119/conservatives-assault-union-funding

 

 

 

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Re: OT: Political Discussion... Please...

in reply to odiescoins

IMO this would be a long overdue reform but the way I see it what they really need to do is officialy recognize and correct the inherent conflict of interest where public sector unions are allowed to contribute to the campaigns of those with whom they directly negotiate.

 

I absolutely agree.  I worked in a union "shop" and I could choose not to belong to the union, but they were still able to take the equivalent of the union dues out of my paycheck.

 

I ultimately ended up joining, because as long as I had to pay anyway, at least I could have some input into our local issues, but it made me absolutely crazy, because in the 15 years I worked there, they did not once ever endorse a conservative candidate or position.

 

And, they spent piles of money on mailing propaganda to members to do what they were told by the union,

 

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