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heckelandjeckel
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Posts: 88
Registered: ‎02-21-2013

O-bomb-O Care Sucks

Heckel:

Jeckel do you like o-bomb-o-care

 

Jeckel:

Its not what i think about it it is what others think about it nancy poop said pass it we must, read it later now here is what others think

 

A large number of Americans continue to adamantly oppose the nation’s new health-care law and believe it will produce damaging results, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. 

 

Forty-four percent of respondents call the health-care law a bad idea, while 31 percent believe it's a good idea -- virtually unchanged from July's NBC/WSJ survey.

By a 45 percent to 23 percent margin, Americans say it will have a negative impact on the country's health-care system rather than a positive one. 

 

Heckel:

Yes indeed

 

Jeckel:

Indeed

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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to heckelandjeckel

For millions of people it does not suck

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steppefjordwyfe10
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to arlinedak

 

 

Would that be the 24 year olds still living with mommy and daddy in their basement bedrooms?



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heckelandjeckel
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to arlinedak

Heckel:

Why are the unions trying to get out of it

 

Jeckel:

Don't know but millions are for O-Bomb-O Care maybe they are just free loaders like welfare

 

Heckel:

They can just collect welfare and no longer work

 

Jeckel:

Well business are cutting workers hours to get out of it.

 

Heckel:

Not to worry the libo's will make them stop that and do right.

 

Jeckel:

Like the unions and twinkies

 

Heckel:

Yes indeed just like twinkies

 

Jeckel:

Indeed

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steppefjordwyfe10
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Registered: ‎02-04-2013

Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

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A guy on Cspan from Oregon just called in on their line and said before Obamacare passed he had a cadillac plan and paid zero premiums, now he has a lesser plan and pays $1600 a year.  He also said that the company he worked for is going to pass them on to the Exchange.

 

I thought everybody was going to be able to keep the plan they have?  I thought the premiums were going to go done.  

 

Wrong, Incorrect.  I guess there must be a couple of definitions for Hope and Change I missed.  :womanfrustrated:



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patrickh3342
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to steppefjordwyfe10

Of course the GOP gets it wrong. If Obamacare is the complete and utter disaster that they predict. Then why not let it go through kick some butt in 2014 and 2016. The total and utter collapse of Obamacare will signal the end of the Dems. The GOP should be happy to see it become law.

 

The last thing the GOP should be doing is allowing DEMS to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat by distracting the country with confrontation over debt ceiling and the budget before letting everybody experience the horrific nightmare that will come from expanded insurance coverage.

 

Right now they're acting more like they fear its success more than its failure or are unsure of what will happen. I'm sure the voters know the GOP did their best to stop this train wreck but at least tried to mitigate some of the damage. When the majority of Americans see their health premiums go through the roof the GOP will be able to buy back voters by promising to repeal it.


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Posts: 1,557
Registered: ‎01-26-2003

Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to heckelandjeckel

Anyone following the amount of subsidies taxpayers will be on the hook for......

 

The assistance is available to those with incomes of up to four times the federal poverty level -- this year, that's $45,960 for an individual or $94,200 for a family of four -- and will be scaled to ensure that folks don't pay more than a designated percentage (the exact target varies by income level) of their earnings toward the premium. The subsidy will be paid directly to the insurance company.

 

It is estimated that 36 million will be eligible for subsidies.  If unions manage to get their members eligible or dump them into exchanges it will be much higher than that.    Add on the cost of Medicaid expansion, and it will take more than Medicare "savings", fines on businesses and individuals that do not participate,  and all the Obamacare tax increases to make the ACA affordable for the taxpayers expected to foot the bill. 

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Registered: ‎01-26-2003

Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to heckelandjeckel

A note to patrick, north of the border:

 

Unfortunately, the full fiscal impact of the implementation of Obamacare won't be felt in time for either the 2014 or 2016 elections as implementation of parts of legislation continues through at least 2018.   Government data lags 18-24 months generally - we are currently getting reports for 2011 so there will be little actual data available before the 2014 election - just more guesstimates.. 

 

Secondly, the biggest beneficiaries of the ACA are the insurance companies, and many have been lowballing their exchange rates so that they qualify to participate.  Should the "young invincibles" choose not to participate in sufficient numbers and if healthcare costs continue to increase -  there will be justification to increase those premiums.   How many healthy 27-35 yr olds (as will as those younger not covered by a parental plan) will rush to pay $1200 or more for health insurance as opposed to pay a $95 fine????

 

And there are inequities in the system.  A health exchange plan in Vermont cost $413/mo while the same exchange plan cost only $292/mo in DC.  Since individuals pay the same subsidized amount - $110/mo in this case - that means federal taxpayers will be paying substantially higher subsidies to the Vermont insurance company than the one in DC.  

 

And let's not forget the head tax.... 

 

The Obama administration is tacking on an annual $63-a-head charge to medical plans to cover the cost of covering people with pre-existing conditions.

 

The temporary charge is set to begin in 2014 and last three years before declining. The report says that funds will go toward a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services fund to provide cushion for health insurance companies' costs, once insurers no longer can refuse medical assistance starting Jan. 1, 2014.

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Registered: ‎01-11-2004

Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to arlinedak

arlinedak wrote:

For millions of people it does not suck



Heads in sand.......... hoping someone can figure it out one of these days, but I doubt it. 

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pdbposting
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to svtr44

Yeah, I guess when one is on total government assistance and below the poverty line OC is a good thing, seeing that they are exempt.

 

Something to be proud of *sigh*

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jlh1973mu
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to arlinedak

arlinedak wrote:

For millions of people it does not suck


you do realize that those millions will pay a fine if they don't sign up for coverage right?

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Registered: ‎01-31-2003

Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

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in reply to kathieskorner

How many healthy 27-35 yr olds (as will as those younger not covered by a parental plan) will rush to pay $1200 or more for health insurance as opposed to pay a $95 fine????

 

The penalty is $95 or 1% of gross income in 2014, whichever is greater.  The penalty will rise to 2.5%  by 2016.  It will end up much higher than $95 for some.

 

So...how many will opt to get something for their money v. paying a penalty and not having any health insurance?  I don't know.  I"ve always had health insurance.  I think many want it and don't feel they can afford it.  Maybe they can now and will want it..  We will see soon enough.

 

Btw...part of Kaiser Family Foundation report, which analyzed the available insurance information, is that premiums are generally lower than projected by CBO ....suggesting the federal budgetary cost for tax credits will be lower than anticipated.

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/early-look-at-premiums-and-participation-i...  (page 8)

 

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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to nacra43

nacra43 wrote:
 

Btw...part of Kaiser Family Foundation report, which analyzed the available insurance information, is that premiums are generally lower than projected by CBO ....suggesting the federal budgetary cost for tax credits will be lower than anticipated.

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/early-look-at-premiums-and-participation-i...  (page 8)

 


I wonder if insurance companies aren't lowballing the cost the first year to suck in customers like they did when Medicare Part D went into effect.  I remember helping my elderly mother sign up.  The first year her premium was $1.00/month.  It has gone up sharply every year since then.  It will now be $43.00/month.  That means it has raised 4300%.

I recently got a letter from my state telling me that I could sign up for marketplace exchange Oct. 1.  That is only a few days away, but the govt website gives very little information.  It makes it difficult to plan, or to know what the heck is going on.  My biggest concern is what it will cover and if my local hospital and doctors will accept it.  No info on coverage whatsoever.

 

It did tell me that I can also look into private insurance, however, there is no possibility of govt subsidies outside of the marketplace exchange option and that it will be more expensive.  Sounds to me like the govt is doing everything it can to push out private insurance and install a single payer system (which was obvious from the beginning no matter how much it was denied).

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Registered: ‎01-26-2003

Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to heckelandjeckel

Btw...part of Kaiser Family Foundation report, which analyzed the available insurance information, is that premiums are generally lower than projected by CBO ....suggesting the federal budgetary cost for tax credits will be lower than anticipated.

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/early-look-at-premiums-and-participation-i... 

 

The Kaiser Family Foundation report draws a conclusion based on CBO guesstimates - the CBO rate was based on  assumptions provided by the architects of the ACA.  Most rate comparisons pick out 2-3 age groups for comparison - 25 yr olds and 40 yr olds being the most popular.  There is no way to know what the age breakdown will be for those that sign up.  If more 50-60 yr olds sign up or more lower income people entitled to higher subsidies - the cost to taxpayers will be much higher than the unlikely event of more 25-30 yr olds signing up or more people entitled to lower subsidies. 

 

And don't forget the medical plan head tax which HHS will use to cushion insurance companies against accepting all those enrollees with health issues and which they hope will help hold exchange rates down through 2016 after which Obama is safely out of office.   As pointed out before Obamacare will probably be no different from Medicare Part D when it comes to underestimated cost to taxpayers.   

 

By the way don't many of those bronze plans leave participants on the hook for large annual deductibles and co-pays??  Subsidies don't apply to them.

 

Personally,  I'd rather my tax dollars go to subsidize health savings accounts than health insurance companies. 

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stamphick!
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to kathieskorner

By the way don't many of those bronze plans leave participants on the hook for large annual deductibles and co-pays??  Subsidies don't apply to them.

 


Yes, and the silver plans do too. 



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kosh_vh
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to heckelandjeckel

Ok I do like the title.




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bertrambabe2010
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

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Millions of people still do not understand the program thanks to the lies being spread by the right and once they actually do see the advantages will change their minds - that is what is worrying the Republicans so much about it.





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kosh_vh
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

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bertrambabe2010 wrote:

Millions of people still do not understand the program thanks to the lies being spread by the right and once they actually do see the advantages will change their minds - that is what is worrying the Republicans so much about it.


The problem is many people do understand the program that is why they are against it despite the lies being told by the far left and Obama.




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bertrambabe2010
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to kosh_vh

kosh_vh wrote:

bertrambabe2010 wrote:

Millions of people still do not understand the program thanks to the lies being spread by the right and once they actually do see the advantages will change their minds - that is what is worrying the Republicans so much about it.


The problem is many people do understand the program that is why they are against it despite the lies being told by the far left and Obama.


The left is not the group talking about death panels that do not exist and other misinformation.  And no, the majority of Americans when asked stated that they really did not read or understand the law much but that they "heard" bad things about it.





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kosh_vh
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Re: O-bomb-O Care Sucks

in reply to bertrambabe2010

bertrambabe2010 wrote:

kosh_vh wrote:

bertrambabe2010 wrote:

Millions of people still do not understand the program thanks to the lies being spread by the right and once they actually do see the advantages will change their minds - that is what is worrying the Republicans so much about it.


The problem is many people do understand the program that is why they are against it despite the lies being told by the far left and Obama.


The left is not the group talking about death panels that do not exist and other misinformation.  And no, the majority of Americans when asked stated that they really did not read or understand the law much but that they "heard" bad things about it.


And you ignore the fact that the president next year will hand pick 14 people to review every medicare case that comes down the pipe to see who and what is acceptable medical care to this panel.

 

Yes rationed health care. No grand ma you can not get heart surgery because you will only live a couple more years and won't pay that much in taxes vs that 30 yer old down the street who will pay another 30 years into the tax system.




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