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German WWII Nazi Memorabilia

We would like to request eBay to have serious reconsideration for its policy to not to allow the sale of German Nazi memorabilia on the US eBay site.


As a counter proposal would recommend that eBay allow only US / Canadian sellers and US / Canadian buyers to purchase these items.  A special category could be sent up within the "Everything else" section of eBay.  This would restrict foreign, underage buyers and casual browsers from being offended or buying something which is against the law in their country.


Items offered for sale in this new category would have to be sold within the following context - Item is offered for sale only as an historic military document and not to propagate or further any political beliefs including but not limited to fascism or to engender any racial hatred or division of any sort. This object is offered for sale only to individuals or educational establishments for historical purposes only. (Its very similar to current German Law).


As a collector, historian and combat veteran I believe that the more evidence of this atrocious regime, the less the "Holocaust Deniers" will have to work with.  German Nazi memorabilia represents war trophies of a defeated ideology.  One that most Americans fought, suffered and died for to destroy. They represent how my family and others triumphed over that evil.  This was why it was collected by that generation and the generations since.   One should be able to appreciate the historical significance of the item in question. The swastika now is a symbol of the defeat of National Socialism and The Evil For Which It Stood.

 

Consider this: 

 

- Thousands of GIs stationed in the Pacific brought home Japanese swords, flags, symbols etc.  No one is accusing them of being Imperial Japanese and the evil racial beliefs it represented.  

 

- The Soviet Union under communism was as evil than the Germans (if that can be measured) but not such ban exists on communist era memorabilia.  

 

- One can buy Confederate items from our Civil war or Confederate flags on eBay but they also could be said to represent a undeniable evil of slavery.  

 

- It appears that the German memorabilia has been targeted to appease more than to protect.

 

- Please don’t forget that the public display and ownership of Nazi flags and other memorabilia in the U.S. is protected under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.


We understand that the policy was originally enacted to protect.  A sound approach at that time but like all good or bad things, it is time to have it reconsidered.

 

Please consider this request.

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:German Nazi memorabilia represents war trophies of a defeated ideology."

Yes
but No.

It also represents a strong new resurgence of hatred, currently embraced by many major groups.

"One can buy Confederate items from our Civil war or Confederate flags on eBay but they also could be said to represent a undeniable evil of slavery." 

Not really.
Haven't you read the news lately?
The C Flag and/or merchandise portraying it, is no longer allowed for sale here .. and major flag manufacturers say they'll stop making that flag.

"Please don’t forget that the public display and ownership of Nazi flags and other memorabilia in the U.S. is protected under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution."

And that has nothing to do with eBay..
because even though there's a Second Amendment.. we can't buy and sell firearms on this site.

 

Thanks,

Lynn


Lynn

You love me for everything you hate me for


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Ebay is just a follower, not a leader.

 

When politicians started denouncing the Confederate flag as a solution to racial harmony, EBay was quick to follow.  As if that would solve anything, since the symbol represents history, not recent occurances.  Politicials were just looking for votes, regarding themselves as solvers of problems.  Ebay was trying to gain the same recognition.  I guess the people who believed into their philosophy are to blame also.

 

Historians will value those WWII Nazi items for museums.  Most of Germany despised Hitler, even though he was in power (learn your history!).  The physical item proves that, yes, the attrocity really did happen to many, especially to non-Nazi's.  Leave destroying or devaluing history to certain middle eastern religions and groups, please EBay.  Stand up, and appreciate that EBay is a good source of vintage items that would otherwise be hard to find.

 

In the end, EBay is just a follower, not a leader.  They are not like Google who challenge the way things are done and go to court over what they believe.  Ebay does the least actually, which in this case is to retrict historical artifacts and give CEO's millions for delaying bankruptcy.

 

 

 

 



Off note: How hard would it be to implement a new Buyer Requirement: Prevent buyers from purchasing my items if they have more than [ X ] reports against them for abusing the Money Back Guarantee. Where X is a value between 0 and 1000. I'm on-board for zero!!!! =D Gimme!
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@abus865 wrote:

 

 

In the end, EBay is just a follower, not a leader.  They are not like Google who challenge the way things are done and go to court over what they believe.  Ebay does the least actually, which in this case is to retrict historical artifacts and give CEO's millions for delaying bankruptcy.

 

 


Google is not exactly a leader in providing information worldwide, while standing up to censorship.  They completely knuckled under to Chinese censorship.  They have regularly responded to foreign governments demands on censorship.  Google follows the money, not their personal beliefs and convictions.  They like to claim they do that, but for instance, when they were in China, if someone in China googled Tiananmen Square, nothing was mentioned about the events that occured there.  

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They got closer than any other entity before them though ...

 

And the country Google was infiltrating were communists with a general hatred of free society (government beliefs not population) .. Their slow progress is still impressive .. ?



Off note: How hard would it be to implement a new Buyer Requirement: Prevent buyers from purchasing my items if they have more than [ X ] reports against them for abusing the Money Back Guarantee. Where X is a value between 0 and 1000. I'm on-board for zero!!!! =D Gimme!
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Germany, ebay's second largest site, forbids the sale of any NAZI related material.  ebay is just trying to follow the law.

“Item Specifics are important - they help the ebay search engine find your products and help Google, Yahoo and other search engines classify your products for inclusion in their search engines
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Why would eBay restrict MANY of the things it prohibits?

 

For example, firearms:

 

They are legal to buy and sell in the US and as long as the sellers have an FFL there shouldn't be a problem, right?  No - because eBay wants to take a SOCIAL stand on a position (in this case, that stand is clearly a progressive/liberal stand).

 

So eBay is a liberal company from one of the most liberal areas of the country.  No surprises there.

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So eBay is a liberal company from one of the most liberal areas of the country.  No surprises there.

 

It is amusing to see how the word liberal in the USA has come to mean 'restrictive'. I really think a new word should be invented, or an appropraiate old one used. 

 

The fish in the do not notice the water changing. So has something desirable become in many instances a term of deprecation and abuse.


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ari

" You can't lose the item and the money, you never own both.”.
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@surplusdealdude wrote:

Germany, ebay's second largest site, forbids the sale of any NAZI related material.  ebay is just trying to follow the law.


I am buying WW2 era Third Reich Germany Nazi stamps and coins from sellers in Germany.

(*Bleep*)
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As soon as I win the lottery I am buying a FW-190-A1A (made in Germany)

P-38 Lightning not for sale, but dang That is kick.

History is not pretty, but it is real, it is what it is.

 

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@thepostingid wrote:

Why would eBay restrict MANY of the things it prohibits?

 

For example, firearms:

 

They are legal to buy and sell in the US and as long as the sellers have an FFL there shouldn't be a problem, right?  No - because eBay wants to take a SOCIAL stand on a position (in this case, that stand is clearly a progressive/liberal stand).

 

So eBay is a liberal company from one of the most liberal areas of the country.  No surprises there.


It has nothing to do with a social stand or being a "liberal company"; it's all about not wanting to get anywhere near federal guidelines and laws, sellers proving to some new (shudder) ebay Department of FFL, shipping by individual sellers, etc.  And that little thing about the venue's managed marketplace's liability.

Sherry

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@abus865 wrote:

 

 (government beliefs not population) .


  Oh please, China is a country with a population of over 1.3 billion.  If those people did not really want a communist government then they could eliminate it.  Do not make the mistake of believing that the people are separate from their government.  The population always has the numbers on their side if they choose to change how they are living.  I am not saying they all want to live under a communist regime, but evidently no one has bothered to raise a rebellion.  

 

 You are either satisfied or you make changes.  Obviously there is a risk, but if you truly believe in change, it can be done.  I assume that for the most part 1.3 billion people must be O.K. with their government, because I just do not believe that you could keep 1.3 billion people under control if they were not for the most part satisfied.  

 

 

 

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@sharingtheland wrote:

@thepostingid wrote:

Why would eBay restrict MANY of the things it prohibits?

 

For example, firearms:

 

They are legal to buy and sell in the US and as long as the sellers have an FFL there shouldn't be a problem, right?  No - because eBay wants to take a SOCIAL stand on a position (in this case, that stand is clearly a progressive/liberal stand).

 

So eBay is a liberal company from one of the most liberal areas of the country.  No surprises there.


It has nothing to do with a social stand or being a "liberal company"; it's all about not wanting to get anywhere near federal guidelines and laws, sellers proving to some new (shudder) ebay Department of FFL, shipping by individual sellers, etc.  And that little thing about the venue's managed marketplace's liability.


So what is the "managed marketplace's" liability when it comes to "confederate flags" for example?

 

If you read the weapons policy, it certainly goes well beyond the FEDERAL law level.  If the eBay restrictions were simply a legal liability issue, they would have disallowed selling "Chinese lanterns" on the site years ago, since they are against the international fire code, are entirely outlawed by some countries, are illegal in several US states and numerous other local jurisidictions.

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I"m not defending ebay whatsoever; I'm saying they have no control over individual gun sales and it's easier to just say no.  If ebay could figure out some way to allow gun sales and be totally removed from the process, they'd be on it like _ _ _ _ _ on _ _ _ _.  The fees !  The fees !

 

Does ebay pay any attention to any of the laws in certain states - python in California, for example - when sales are made?  There's probably some weasel words buried deep somewhere about that but does ebay restrict sales?

 

Also, just mainly replying to the wacky notion that ebay bans gun sales because it's a "liberal company".  

 

Edit:  I don't think you can say ebay has any liability in the sale of a confederate flag.   As we all know, that was a very shrewd business move - ebay made quite a bit of money for a few days before all listings could be "found".  snort

 

 

Sherry

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@sharingtheland wrote:

I"m not defending ebay whatsoever; I'm saying they have no control over individual gun sales and it's easier to just say no.  If ebay could figure out some way to allow gun sales and be totally removed from the process, they'd be on it like _ _ _ _ _ on _ _ _ _.  The fees !  The fees !

  


It's fairly simple.  Other online marketplaces have figured it out.

 

Prior to the ban, eBay was selling a LOT of guns on the site.  The sellers had to find a local FFL dealer to ship the item for them TO ANOTHER FFL dealer, as requried by Federal LAW.  Ebay was completely removed from the process. If a seller/buyer decided not to use an FFL dealer, they were violating the LAW, not eBay.

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