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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

Hello everyone!
I got this knife and I was trying to research it, and it looks to be from WWII time period 10 ¼” long boot dagger (or trench fighting dagger). It is German (Solingen) made . The thing that is confusing me here, is the “Fleur de Lis” on the handle, pointing I think to some French connection. So if anyone would help to clarify this I would greatly appreciate it.








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fidbald
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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boyscout dagger, if handle is platic not earlier than from the 60's. cheap riveting, blade not level with handprotection.
“Fleur de Lis” also part of quebec flag.
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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Thanx fidbald! Dude, that had to be hell of a boy scout with 10" double side blade dagger in his hand. :smileywink:
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fidbald
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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better reply clearly matey: is it plastic or is not ?

stick a 1o " stick into your boot and you'll see how you bend your knee or even walk comfortably. this is neither a trench nor a boot dagger, although it might have the look "fit for service" to you. for me it looks like a cheap something from the seventies. I'm not even sure if this is not a fake solingen in regard of the rust.
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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Relax dude, it's bakelite.:-)
You got to be not tall at all fellow :-) as I've asked my hubby try it on (just out of curriosity) and it was pretty comfy for him.
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fidbald
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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did he bend his knee ? or did he jump out of a trench ? did he make a roll on the lawn ?:-)

as for the the fleur de lys, have a look here:

http://www.scoutsducanada.ca/
http://www.pbs.ch/de/

that's only two out of many, canada and switzerland, that have it.

some people take it that it was produced for the HJ and that after the war only the stickers were changed to continue selling them, BUT yours seems to be later because the sign is already pressed into the bakelite.

here's a picture of the unmentionable one:

http://www.couteaux-jfl.com/Collections/Poignard_nazi.jpg

I hope he's not chasing you around the house. if so, advice from my mother always was: nuts first, then the nose...:^O

as for my size: I'm rather what the french call "costaud" :-)
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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You see, you actually can helpful if one can find the way to talk to you.:-D The logo looks to be rather carved than pressed. How long is the one you posted picture of?
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Hey "costaud" where are you?........What is HJ?
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fidbald
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caustod was in the garden having his first pastis of the day. ;-)
as for the length, I had a look once more in that discussion forum (all in german): they don't give any measures, sorry for that.
HJ means Hitler-Jugend.
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Thank you again fidbald! You turned out to be much nicer person than seemed at the begining.:-)
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fidbald
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also look to these wiki-articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden_powell

I wonder that the absolute specialist for daggers, knives etc. "springfield" didn't show up yet, he could tell you straight away the year of your dagger (well, almost :-)).

you could also open a new thread in the antiques forum and link it to here, because I think most don't look upon your item as "historical memo"; that's why I was the only one replying so far...

some will say it's not "antique" as well, but who cares. ;-)
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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>I wonder that the absolute specialist for daggers, knives etc. "springfield"

I read that and my head got so big I fell over, recovering now. Gotta admit I'm not familiar with this item, suggest post on one of the non-E knife forums.

The knife is certainly in a WWII-ish sort of dress dagger overall pattern but I think the markings put it after that, as Fid has already mentioned. Solingen was using stock and tooling left over after the War to make civilian stuff, I'd guess.
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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Here's a knife forum disc about RUKO Solingen. It says RUKO makes a lot of camping stuff. So maybe RUKO is what, an Asian maker that uses Solingen blades?

I'd suggest posting your question and pix right into this KF discussion:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-209876.html
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Thank you springfld! Hmm...?:smileyindifferent: the leather sheath is marked Made in Germany as well, those asians probably using all German parts and just assemble them there.... evil, evil things!!!!]:smileyhappy:
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I also think it's a real one.the form is typical and stays up to now the same. as for the length, don't forget that until recently there were no laws in many countries limiting the length of the blade.
here one you can buy on a german site :

http://www.troph-e-shop.com/70378.ahtml

as you see they give blade length 13 cm which equals appr. 5 1/8 ".

here's another one:
http://www.preisroboter.de/ergebnis760672.html

and there's even an article in german wikipedia that says the same I mentioned: they used the form and the rest of their stuff after the war and only changed the sticker.
like many politicians, isn't it ? swastika replaced and hopp, here we march aaagain...;-)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/HJ-Fahrtenmesser
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German Solingen WWII Boot Dagger

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The links posted refer to traditional pattern HJ knives. I had one as a kid. They have a single edged blade. They're a pretty nice knife, actually.

OPs knife is double edged. I suspect it's just a knife trade variant - there's a million of 'em - using the HJ handle and guard combination. It's had the Nazi markings engineered out, of course.

Just because it says "Solingen" on the blade doesn't mean it's high quality stainless, and stainless does rust. Better quality Solingen stainless blades are stamped "Rostfrei." It means about what it sounds like. .
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