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Registered: ‎07-13-2007

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in reply to newenglandnew
They can't see a fracture in the root even after repeated xrays, there is an infection -- but what's causing it?

holy carp:

you can almost NEVER see a fracture on an xray--

where the frick are these dentists coming from???

my boss ( a dds for 40 years) does a test with a wooden bite stick--he finds the fracture every time this way.....
and if its fractured in the root???? that should be very obvious to a dds.

you take a gutta percha point--stick it ( dont worry its paper) into the pocket that is around the tooth--gently push it till it reaches the bottom and then xray it...
it will point to exactly the spot on the tooth where its fractured.
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sounds to me like:

1. possibly the tooth is fractured ---
2. possible endodontic failure.

either way you must go and see the endodontist:

I'm sorry for your pain and fear---

I'll tell you something
I have been a RDH for 26 years and in the last 10 years things are changing tremendously---

Many dentists are now switching to reccomending extractions for troublesome teeth and implants.

there is reasoning behind this:
one of the primary reasons is long term viability of the tooth

in my clinical observation ( remember 26 years worth) many many teeth that are root canaled fracture or decay under their crowns.

long term: implants stay where they are and never decay.
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Registered: ‎09-15-2007

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I found this discussion forum through Google.
I am absolutely terrified and feel very alone and powerless. I had a root canal and crown on this bottom molar 4 years ago and had no problems until the crown popped off. The dentist said that I'd need a new crown, and before that, I'd need a crown lengthening from a periodontist. That was very traumatic, as he had to shave away some bone. It was a few weeks ago and now that tooth is very painful. The pain is causing my migraines and neck pain to flare up something awful. It radiates into my cheek and jaw bone. I saw my dentist last week, and she tapped it and blew some air on it and I almost jumped out of my skin. She panicked and phoned the periodontist. He said that the tooth looked fine when I went in to have it checked, but he told her to put in a temporary filling and to X-ray it, which she did. She looked at the X-ray and said that she didn't feel comfortable analyzing it and felt "out of her element" in treating the tooth. She said the next time I see the periodontist, I should get him to consult with the endodontist that is in the same building as him. But here it is 2;15 in the morning, and I'm starting a new job on Monday, and the pain is keeping me awake. I don't know what to do! Can anyone help?
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LOLOLOLOL I had a tooth removed by a Dentist that didn't need to be on a Sunday, then I ended up in the ER for excruciating pain because I had an ear infection from the tooth. I also drink hot lemon water or Lemon green tea to drain the tubes along with the other stuff.

When you wait 6 months to get to am oral surgeon for four back teeth you learn to try other remedies!LOLOL The garlic oil I discovered afterwards though. It has been the best! It kills ear infections, sinus infections, mouth infections for our children & ourselves. Sure beats Cephalexin or Amoxicylan. Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

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Who would have thought that you'd actually get better help on the Health & Beauty Board than from all these doctors?? :smileysurprised:
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They could have. It also could be infection backing up. Try the garlic oil pills. Swallow them or get a fresh head of garlic, use three cloves (crushed & sliced)added to a 1/2 cup Olive Oil. Put in your ear like drops about a 1/4 teaspoon & this will really ease your pain if it is blockage or infection. If it doesn't work I imagine they might have perforated something.

I have had severe pain & an ear infection actually caused by an infected tooth. It is no fun at all & lasts or gets even worse if they don't fix the problem! Ouwie!

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Hydrogen peroxide works! I asked my dentist about it but she put me on an antibiotic mouthwash instead.

they have told me again to wait, not to have the tooth extrated yet.

For me, it's been like this since October!!!!!!!!!! Now I'm back on antibiotics. They can't see a fracture in the root even after repeated xrays, there is an infection -- but what's causing it?

Did they perforate the sinus or something?
The pain goes right up into the sinuses and blocks up my ears and nose.
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I am going to suggest that you rinse three times a day with hydrogen peroxide mixed in water. A little amount is needed. I would also suggest placing garlic oil in your ear canal. Only a couple drops will do. Make sure it goes all the way down your ear canal.

This sounds funny I know. I have upper dentures now & only a few teeth in the front center of my lower jaw. You have infection where they did the root canal. It will infect the other weaker teeth if any. I have gone months in excruciating pain due to improper Dental work. Your tooth feels weird & full of pain. It also is temperature sensitive. The galic oil in your ear hits the same inner tubes as your teeth use to drain infection. It acts as an anti-fungal/antibiotic & kills the pain plus heals it. The peroxide keeps outer infection & small crannies in your teeth from growin infection. Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

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*only* $3000? Can it be that much more around the Boston area? Yesterday I was talking to a nurse who said she was having one done and she was getting it done in stages, $2000 this year, $2000 next year and more later probably. Maybe there are dentists in NH, Maine, or even Canada who are cheaper -- it'd be worth the drive.
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Implants here in New Jersey run around $3000

absurdly expensive imho

I work for two dentists

one of them charges fee's that are ridiculous.
I cringe when I see him penciling the fee in on the chart....

the other one is much more reasonable.

after 25 years I am disgusted with this business.
dentists== some of course not all== are very greedy--and its just not right.
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It's the OP again and still in pain. It's interesting and sad to see that others have been hurt by rotten dental work.

I went to have my root canal tooth pulled by an endodontist at the dental school where they first did it but they recommended that I wait a while longer. This has been almost one year now.

I feel like the previous person who said that that entire side of her mouth would be messed up. I would love to get an implant or two but aren't they REALLY expensive? People are saying $8000/per tooth. I don't have dental insurance.
Can you pay for it in installments?
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generally if you lose any tooth it will cause your entire mouth full of teeth to shift--

that is why it is a good idea -nah, a very good idea! to try and keep all of your teeth.
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I had a dull ache in a vcrown for years.It would kind of come and go.I went to a dentist who said it was seated wrong.It still bothers once in a while,but it is much better now.He said the (I GUESS) nerve was inflamed around it.I am about done with all the dental stuff.I had an abcess and had the tooth pulled.I think my ear and sinuses have more room without the tooth.It kind of made med mad since I had paid for the crown,but no way would I get a root canal in an upper back farthest tooth.
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OMG kimanjome...that DDS was a quack. At least you are in good hands now, from the sounds of it. Yup--an improperly placed post is bad. The post which cracked out of the root itself, has created continual 'wicking' of saliva & bacteria to the sinus (am assuming these are upper teeth--right??) and the sinus problems are the result. Once you get the dental problems taken care of and antibiotics, your sinus issues will be gone.

Am surprised the 1st DDS did the entire RCT & crown prep all in 1 visit...and then to do another entire RCT on-the-spot the next time...hmmm, obviously his schedule isn't filled for some reason--LOL.

Good luck to you & hang in there!






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don't worry about not having any teeth on one side


not to alarm you but IMPLANTS are a wonderful thing!
do not be afraid of them but you must go to a qualified surgeon or periodontist to have them done.

I'm sorry for your bad experience with this first dentist.
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yes, absolutely a perforated root would cause continual
low grade infection


that is a shame ---I hate to tell you this but that first dentist you saw was an idiot.

If I were you I would call their office and tell them you want a full refund for all the b/s work they did---
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Registered: ‎01-13-2011

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Wow! This sounds kind of like what is happening to me, and I am looking for any and all advice.

Last summer I started to have a bunch of pains due to dental neglect. I had an abcess in my molar and I went to a dentist who saw me as an emergency. He did a root canal then and there, put a temp crown on, and sent me home with a prescription antibiotic. Mind you, he did the r/c when it was infected and inflamed and pus was coming out. I did not think anything wrong with this sequence at the time.

I had to leave town for a family death and when I came back one week later he put the permanent crown on. I still was feeling really bad pain in my jaw, though, so the dentist took an xray and said he now thought the problem was the molar next to the r/c he had just done. THAT new tooth was part of a bridge so he did a root canal right then and there and re-cemented the bridge. on. He also commented that my sinuses were really badly swollen (and boy, I knew that, they were tender to the touch).

Okay, two months down the road the pain comes back. This time the dentist says its a bicuspid that is the problem, and it's the one to which my bridge (the other molar r/c) is cemented. So he needs to do an r/c on the bicuspid, which he does, and once again secures it to my bridge.

Over the following 9 months I have continued to have on- and off- again pain in that jaw, and my swollen sinus (above the gums) never completely went away, but it did shrink some, and I learned to live with the discomfort. I called the dentist a couple of times and he said that it would take awhile for me to recover from the procedure, give it a year or so!!!!.

Okay, now it has been a year and today I am in really bad pain. The dentist is on vacation (office closed) so I go to see a new dentist in our dental network. This new dentist tells me (after looking at the x-rays) that the r/canaled molar is the problem and it's because the post perforated the wall of the tooth (?). I could see on the xray that the post was crooked, whereas the other posts were straight. He says that there is an infection there and that's why my sinus is inflamed and why it is causing pain to my other teeth. He said the other (rear molar with crown and bicuspid holding the bridge) look okay; not great, but okay for now. He doesn't think they are the problem. This new dentist is very apologetic and says that this faulty r/c stub is going to have to be extracted and he will have to make a new, larger bridge which will connect to my rear molar (now crowned). He put me on antibiotics to bring down the infection.

I am really scared. If this procedure doesn't work then I am going to have a whole side of teeth missing (!)

Is there any possibility that the problem is not my tooth but instead, my sinus? Like, I have fungal ball in my sinus? Or would a post that perforated do something like this?

Looking for any and all support.
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If it hurts from six months ago they either didn't completely remove all of the live root tissue or your tooth is fractured. If the pain feels like it is a brain-nerve piercing pain you are getting an infection below the root but if it is a hurt cut pain like someone sliced your a lash in your skin you might have a tooth fracture. In the latter case, it isn't pain produced from the nerve but the gums that are trying to support the split teeth. PS: Buy cheap clothes to save money, buy cheap cologne, buy cheap food, buy generic drugs, buy cheap DVD's but NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER get a cheap dentist--- get a good one that is recommended from others. You don't want to mess with dental stuff, trust me, I have hurt so so so bad in the past.
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Yup--CERECs are the 1-visit crown. They are really cool, and pt's love 'em, although post-op sens can be common. My Dr. & I went to 2 training weekends in Detroit (Dr. Mark Morin's seminars--he is incredible!) It was absolutely mind-boggling...that 1st night when we left the training center, and were taking the rental car back to the hotel neither one of us even talked....we were totally brain-fried! LOL. (then, to the bar we went! Felt much better = )

Being retired is nice--'specially with my kids the ages they are. Too old for daycare--too young to stay alone. But...I DO miss my peeps! Although office-life kinda changed & went all uptight & money-oriented in the office after we had a consultant come in....jeesh, talk about a waste of money. She was a Type AAA personality and drove us all flippin' nuts with her "verbage" (I swear, I cringe everytime I hear that da*n word) Luckily she & her company were canned by our Dr. after she was gambling with our office mgr in Vegas, (during a seminar put on by their company) and she was kicked out of Harrah's for licking the cards & being so drunk....LOL! Nice, business-like consultant, eh??!






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question:

whats CERECs?
is that the new 1 day crown procedure???
its really not here yet in NJ
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