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Coins & Paper Money

Please look at item #111481334622 and tell me what you think.

 

Email to seller:

You knew exactly what you were doing and your intent was fraudulent. To wit:
1. You listed this round on Ebay under "SILVER>BARS & ROUNDS" when in fact Ebay has a category for "COPPER>COPPER BULLION"
You knew that listing them in the proper category they would only bring a few dollars.
2. In the listing you stated  "PRECIOUS METAL CONTENT 31.1g" and the "FINENESS .9999"
No where does any recognized authority consider "COPPER"  a precious metal.
3.No where in your listing did you state it was a "COPPER" round and plated to look like silver.
4.Blurry photos making it impossible to read ".999 fine copper" on the reverse of the round.
5. You already have 1 negative feedback for selling "FAKE SILVER"

Coins & Paper Money discussion

Oct 24, 2014 1:10:54 PM PT

IS THIS A SCAM?

In the ongoing effort to keep this coin & paper money chatting board alive,

el Heron contributes the following world coin informacion:

 

Several places on several 'topics' we have discussed the 'dimensions' of coin denominations.

"Dimensions" as introduced by our fellow chat board member TDZ.

 

Over the years of coin collecting, Heron has been interested in 'denominations' and names of

various currencies.   The coin described below is not a 'new' addition of an issuing authority for

Heron, however it is a 'new' denomination for Heron's collection:

 

Coin received via U.S.Mail 23 October 2014:

 

Brandenburg-Prussia - 1/32 Thaler - Silver - 1628 - 15.5mm dia - Konigsberg Mint - KM113.

 

Note: The '8' in the date is larger than the '162' of the date.  The '8' is larger by about 1/3.

Is this an error?  Probably not.  This was probably the result of a re-engraved die from an earlier

year of issue. 

 

Does this add value? Probably not. Those of us that accumulate coins issued in the 16th, 17th,

and 18th centuries see many of these odd engravings.

 

Interesting? Perhaps. 

 

Coin Description:

 

OBVERSE: At center is the GW monogram in wreath. Legend "SOLIDVS PRVSSIAE".  

 

REVERSE: Crowned eagle with open wings & claws. Crowned "S" on eagle's chest.

Legend surrounding is "GEOR. WILH. MAR. BR. S. R. I. EL."

This legend tells us that the ruler was Georg Wilhelm, Margrave Brandenburg & an 'elector'

of the HRE. 

 

A bit of history for those that might not be familiar with the Brandenburg-Prussian connection:

 

Brandenburg formed in 1157.  First Margrave was Albrecht the Bear.

This area was originally known as "The Northern March" [or Mark - March & Mark same].

A March or Mark was considered a 'border territory'.

 

In 1356, the ruler of Margraviate Brandenburg became a 'Prince Elector'.

 

In 1415, the Hohenzollern family purchased Brandenburg from the HRE.

[Yes Virginia, many pieces of land in the HRE were purchased, along with

the 'titles'...]

 

Intermarriage between the ruling families of Brandenburg & Prussia was basis

for creation of Brandenburg-Prussia in 1618.  [To put this in time perspective,

this was 2 years prior to those radical Pligrims landing on Plymouth Rock!].

 

The entity remained Brandenburg-Prussia until 1701 when Fred III of Brandenburg

was elevated to King of Prussia as Fred I.  After 1701 Brandenburg was treated as

part of the Kingdom of Prussia.

 

DENOMINATION DIMENSIONS:

 

The denomination of 1/32 Thaler of the coin described above is one 'fraction' of a Thaler

that was issued during the period when Thaler was the primary currency of many HRE

entities.  This 1/32 Thaler is a 'new' denomination addition for Heron.

 

Here is a partial list of fractions of a Thaler:

 

Starting from 'highest' value:  3/4 - 2/3 - 1/2 - 1/3 - 1/4 - 1/6 - 1/8 - 1/9,

 

1/10 - 1/12 - 1/13 - 1/14 - 1/16 - 1/18 - 1/20 - 1/21 - 1/24 - 1/28 - 1/30,

 

1/32 - 1/36 - 1/42 - 1/48 - 1/52 - 1/56 - 1/60 - 1/64 - 1/72 - 1/84  - 1/96,

 

1/128 - 1/192.

 

There are 32 different 'fractions' of a Thaler listed above.  If anyone knows of a 'fraction'

that can be added to Heron's list, please advise on this 'topic'.

Reason: A Heron 2015 collecting 'goal' is to acquire the fractions of Thaler that he does

not now own.  This could be a 'fun' collecting situation.

 

Info Sources:

Brandenburg-Prussia Wikitpedia.

List of States of HRE Wikitpedia.

Numista.

Coincollectiongoods German states info.

Amadio coin info.

KM Standard Catalog of Germanian coins 1601 -

Coin Archives.com

MA Shops.

Tacitus.nu Brandenburg-Prussia.

Rise of Brandenburg-Prussia Mt.Holyoke.edu

History Files. co. UK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Coins & Paper Money discussion

Oct 25, 2014 11:16:31 AM PT

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