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ted_200
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Re: --THE NEW COIN CHAT ROOM--

in reply to gacooke

More interesting news related to this can be found at the first unpaid result here:

 

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Mansfield%2C+Ohio+Coin%2FPawn+Shop+Raided

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gacooke
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"The reason we conducted the search warrant is we have been engaged in a multi-jurisdictional wire fraud investigation involving the online Internet sale of a vast array of stolen merchandise," Smokey Everett, special agent in charge of the Cleveland field office for the Secret Service.

 

"It started out with Coins." Larry Bence said.

 

LOL!!!:smileylol:



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ted_200
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mcdcoins wrote:

Now it will be,

 

"L@@K, Rare Vintage SGS slabbed modern pocket change"


Not on that ID, it won't.  Can't help but think account status is related to news story...  :smileylol:

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mcdcoins
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in reply to *smedley*

Now it will be,

 

"L@@K, Rare Vintage SGS slabbed modern pocket change"

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in reply to ted_200

awwwww.... ya mean no more SGS slabbed modern pocket change??

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ted_200
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jesusrocks3339
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I saw that you responded.  Hopefully the OP will return to post some additional pics.  ty!

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gacooke
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They need to post more pictures!

http://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Can-you-help-Identify-this-product-What-is-it/m-p/22609311#M305...

 



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Hello fellow world coin collectors:  The following is a question regarding how to

designate names of currencies as issued by various issuing authorities over the

past couple of thousand years. 

 

First a list of some 'currencies' that Heron owns.  This will give you an idea of

what it is Heron is discussing here:

 

Not in alphabetical order:

 

Schwaren.

Grote.

Sechsling.

Mariengroschen.

Zollpfennig. [A favorito!].

Albus.

Stuber.

Duit.

Liard.

Silbergroschen.

Thaler.

Mark.

Groeschel.

Leichterpfennig. [Another favorito!].

Weisspfennig.

Halbbatzen.

Bluzger.

Cavalli.

Bolognino.

Quarto.

Cash.

Mace & Candareens.

[This is only a small portion of the list].

 

Now, the question is: do the folks on this board that collect world coins refer to these

designations as "denominations'' or "currencies" or both?

 

To add to the discussion here is the Webster's dictionary definitions of the two words as

the words would pertain to coin & currency collecting. Bear in mind that currency is not just

a designation for paper money].

 

Denomination: 2) A name, especially, the name of a class of things.

3) A class or kind [especially of units in a system] having a specific name or value

[coins or stamps of different denominations].

 

Currency: 2) The money in circulation in any country.

 

Info Source: Webster's New World Dictionary of Amerigan English.

Simon & Schuster 1991.

 

 

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mcdcoins
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in reply to jesusrocks3339

I don't think he's mad, just a little grumpy.

 

Looks like a home colonoscopy kit.

 

 

 

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jesusrocks3339
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Hola Ted200: Your post of 22 August 2014 at 0215:  Perhaps you are referring to those 'private'

minting places?  Interesting point!

Perhaps there are more 'mints' in operation in just one country than all other mints operating in

'rest of world'?  Perhaps more mint operations than ever were?  Something to ponder por seguro!

Regards,

 

xx

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ted_200
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in reply to elheron-grande

It also appears that Heron's own personal opinion as to how many 'mints' have been in operation

has been way too low!   The overall list must contain several thousand 'mints'.  Or more!

 

I suspect your are correct, as it would appear there are currently several hundred mints operating in Guangdong Province alone. :manwink:

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in reply to tdziemianowicz

Hola TDZ: Your post of 21 August 2014 0604:  Your fine post illustrates a point in GAC's post.

Regarding those folks that 'specialize' in one geo-political area or perhaps several issues

of coins within a specific time period.  

 

Regarding your study of 'mint' locations in the Duchy of Lorraine; it appears that there were many

mint operations in that Duchy.  [As you noted, the actual Duchy or entity boundaries were

changing constantly due to marriages, deaths of rulers, annexation, war, etc]

 

A few months pasado, Heron decided to develop a list of HRE 'states' to count the approximate

total.  Using various inter-net sites with HRE info, and counting for several hours, Heron arrived

at a total of 678 entities.  This only included 'states' established from 1500 to 1793. 

 

It is difficult to estimate or guess at how many 'mints' there would be in that batch of entities because

there was not enough information that included 'minting rights' granted by the HR Emperor.  Until

Heron has enough time to research each of the 678 entities it will remain a 'guess'.

 

With the Duchy of Lorraine mint information you have found, and knowing that there were approximately

678 'entities' in the HRE 1500 to 1793, we could surmise that there might be a huge number of actual

mint operations in the various HRE entities.

 

For several decades Heron has thought that there must have been a lot of folks employed in the

minting process around the world.  That would also mean that there were probably a large amount of

hammers manufactured. [Another 'dimension' perhaps]

 

As we proceed through the years and learn more about coins and minting and mint locations we increase

the 'dimensions' of study and discussion.  Heron for one truly enjoys these discussions pertaining to coins

[and paper money] and conducted in such a friendly manner.  A truly fun discussion that can last for

many years, perhaps?  Regards,

 

xx

 

 

 

 

 

 

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in reply to gacooke

Hola Gac:  Thank you for the information about the folks that research the 'details' of various coin

issues.  Over the decades, as my knowledge has expanded, this question re mints and how many

were in operation at one time or another has been at the edge of my thoughts.

 

It appears that most scholars and dedicated numismatists could be considered specialists of a

particular geographical area or a specific issue or several issues of coins.

 

It also appears that Heron's own personal opinion as to how many 'mints' have been in operation

has been way too low!   The overall list must contain several thousand 'mints'.  Or more!

Perhaps too many for one coin scholar to tabulate in one 'lifetime'?

 

Again, many thanks for the info and links to study.  This mint situation could possibly 'boggle' the mind ey?

Regards,

 

xx

 

 

 

 

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gacooke wrote:

elheron-grande wrote:

Hola Gac:  Many thanks for the 'mintmark' info.  Now my question is this;

Has anyone ever made a study of all the 'mints' known?  Yes, a curious

question.  However, Heron has a curiosity factor.  Most likely it would

take years of research to compile such a 'list'.  Heron knows from his

experience collecting Holy Roman Empire coins that there are a large

batch of 'mints' located in that conglomerate of individual coin issuing

authorities.  Something to ponder though ey?  Regards.

 

xx


The short answer is yes ......... and no.  You could fill bookcases with the scholarship in this area.  In fact, I am well into my second bookcase, and I let my membership in the ANS lapse 20 years ago.  Online resources have grown as well, with many numismatic scholars publishing in open source literature that makes their work available on-line. 

 

For example, take a look at two of the items on ed snible's web site:

http://snible.org/

Die Beamtennamen auf den griechischen Münzen by Rudolf Münsterberg [AKA 'Official Names on Greek Coins']

http://snible.org/coins/library/muensterberg/

and The British Museum of Greek Coins:

http://snible.org/coins/bmc/

(I know is says plates only, but for most volumes, the text is available as well)

 

Scholars will pick a state or a province, a time period or a coin type, travel to the museums and the collections, track down hoards, assembling everything they can about the dies, die pairs, moneyers, mints, officina et cetera.  The results get published in articles and books.

 

Then somebody finds a new hoard (particularly valuable in this kind of study), and what they think they knew has to all be re-examined.  It is a very fascinating part of numismatics.  There is sometimes not a lot of written history about some of the obscure places and times in Europe and Asia.  But often there a bunch of coins, as testimony that people were there and were actively doing stuff.

 

 


I have a very narrow view of the mint question, but even that gives an understanding of the enormous richness and complexty (I know ... no surprise too the experts here). 

 

I collect one area that is close to el-heron's "HRE" field, Duchy of Lorraine.  In medieval/Renaissance times, there were minting authorities in places that today are tiny backwaters: Badonviller, St. Die, St. Michiel, Neufchateau.  Surrounding the duchy were additional mints in bishoprics and counties like Bar, Metz, Toul, Verdun, etc. that are in what today is considered Lorraine.  So, in this smallish part of France, no larger than our state of New Hampshire, and where there has been no minting for almost 300 years, there was formerly a very rich numismatic history, with at least a dozen mints.

 

Part of the fun!     

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gacooke
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in reply to elheron-grande

elheron-grande wrote:

Hola Gac:  Many thanks for the 'mintmark' info.  Now my question is this;

Has anyone ever made a study of all the 'mints' known?  Yes, a curious

question.  However, Heron has a curiosity factor.  Most likely it would

take years of research to compile such a 'list'.  Heron knows from his

experience collecting Holy Roman Empire coins that there are a large

batch of 'mints' located in that conglomerate of individual coin issuing

authorities.  Something to ponder though ey?  Regards.

 

xx


The short answer is yes ......... and no.  You could fill bookcases with the scholarship in this area.  In fact, I am well into my second bookcase, and I let my membership in the ANS lapse 20 years ago.  Online resources have grown as well, with many numismatic scholars publishing in open source literature that makes their work available on-line. 

 

For example, take a look at two of the items on ed snible's web site:

http://snible.org/

Die Beamtennamen auf den griechischen Münzen by Rudolf Münsterberg [AKA 'Official Names on Greek Coins']

http://snible.org/coins/library/muensterberg/

and The British Museum of Greek Coins:

http://snible.org/coins/bmc/

(I know is says plates only, but for most volumes, the text is available as well)

 

Scholars will pick a state or a province, a time period or a coin type, travel to the museums and the collections, track down hoards, assembling everything they can about the dies, die pairs, moneyers, mints, officina et cetera.  The results get published in articles and books.

 

Then somebody finds a new hoard (particularly valuable in this kind of study), and what they think they knew has to all be re-examined.  It is a very fascinating part of numismatics.  There is sometimes not a lot of written history about some of the obscure places and times in Europe and Asia.  But often there a bunch of coins, as testimony that people were there and were actively doing stuff.

 

 

 



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beachgirlbaby01
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in reply to tdziemianowicz

nice one,



The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it.


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Oops.  Found a couple in Ebay sold items search.  French Afars & Issas, and Mongolia.  The same camel motif seems to appear later in Djibouti coins (successor nation to Afars & Issas if I recall):

 

CamelAfars.JPGCamelMongolia.JPG

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*smedley* wrote:

that's cool...!!


I second that!

 

What is interesting about camels seems to be their ABSENCE on coins from the places where they live.  I know th S-d-n coins are the only ones I've owned or seen.  But a quick look through my old (1995) KM "Collecting World Coins" does not turn up camels on any 1900-1995 coins from Algeria, Bahrain, Egypt, French West Africa/West African States, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Mali, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Yemen.  Yet you can find lions, gazelles, the occasional horse, even a lobster (or what looks like one - Democratic Republic of Yemen), heraldic falcons, and palm trees galore, of course.

 

Beasts of burden just not sexy enough?  (Though one finds oxen and llamas here and there). 

 

Maybe on more modern coins?

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