Coin Rim Dings, Damage or Not?

[fellowes613]

I  have seen so many coins being sold on Ebay that have rim dings which to me=damaged, if a collector wants to start a coin collection and name his DING specialist collection go ahead, but if you are going to sell of a coin and tell a buyer that in the early part of coin production that these coins were shoveled into bags that is the reason so many of these coins have rim dings is a lot of malarkey.  I have also had that if you question these sellers and they do no like your question that you can also expect no reply, so I do not buy from them.  But do not describe as problem free when these coins have obvious flaws.  Why do these sellers say what you want to hear but when they get questioned they do not want to hear from you.  If you do not like our questions does that mean you have something to hide?

[n.s.sherlock]

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@fellowes613 wrote:

If you do not like our questions does that mean you have something to hide?

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Usually.

[gacooke]

I have heard that Europeans take rim dings more seriously than American collectors do.  I view them differently (less important) than bag marks that interfere with the coin design elements. 

You will certainly pay a premium for the large, heavy British 1797 two pence that has intact rims.

[fellowes613]

I think that if a coin has a rim ding it should be mentioned in the sellers auction, I have never heard of anyone purposely wanting to specialize in coins that have rim dings

[fellowes613]

I wanted to bring up something else regarding coins, what do coin collectors think of coins that heavily toned, that it add more to the appeal to the coin and its value, or is it matter of ones taste in coin colllecting?

[jesusrocks3339]

Some natural rainbow toning is beautiful. Then you get those AT (Artifically toned) coins that are really silly, as they are basically damaged to look the way they do as far as I know aoout.  People will pay big bucks for them even if you disclose that they are AT.  Once I gave someone money back on one I sold.  It went too ridiculously high.  

Some naturally toned coins are really beautiful.  There have been a number of them posted here on various threads.  

[fellowes613]

jesusrock3339 I read your post I have seen some that are toned and they pleasing to look at but I have some coins so heavily toned that I would not want them in my collection, though if a seller does not declare that they artificially toned how can one tell if it is?

[fellowes613]

furthere to my earlier posting this is the reply I received from one seller I will not name when I asked about a rim ding on one of the coins I was interested in:

"Please read my message fully I do mean to offend, however very often the message gets lost when using electronic messaging.

First off, I am not a dealer. I am a collector.
I fund my collection by selling some coins.
This coin was in my collection and upgraded.
After ebay fees I stand to make a whopping $1.75 on it.

When I first received your message I thought you were an inexperience buyer new to ebay, I see you are not.
If I was smart I would have kept my mouth shut, I guess I am not smart, when I think something is wrong I have to respond.

I clearly represent my coins.
I do not use blurry or small pictures.
Sorry, but I do not go over them with a microscope looking for flaws that are barely visible when viewing the coin in hand.
The coin is circulated.
Circulated coins have flaws.
My point was minor flaws are not noted by most sellers or even by the certification companies, I have numerous ICCS/CCCS/PCGS certified coins with flaws more significant than this and the flaw is not mentioned in the description.

I did not misrepresent this coin.
However I cannot mention something I, a) did not now was there, and b) if had known it was there would have seen it as insignicant base on the grade of the coin.
This is a circulated coin, it is not a high MS state coin, The mark does nothing to the value.
I did not mention any grade or that it was in prestine flawless condition.
If a coins has a significant flaw that does not show up in the picture, I mention in.

Obviously you are not happy with the purchase.
My only wish is that you had fully inspected the coin prior to purchase.
MOST sellers do not state the minute details of their coins,

Return the coin to me when you receive it and I will give you a full refund.
I know I will lose here because I did not keep my mouth shut, but at times it is frustrating.
I see you are a buyer and have not sold on ebay.
I buy and sell, so I understand both sides.
Maybe you will when it comes time to sell your collection."

[stuff*and*nonsense]

You were only interested in this coin?  The reply sounds like you bought it and wanted to return it.

I don't sell very often, but I don't mention rim dings, either.  They are in the picture.

[elheron-grande]

Hola Stanley Your Post 30 March 2014 at 0817 hrs:  Regarding rim dings or edge dings on coins, see GACooke Post of

30 March 2014 at 1030 hrs.  He is correcto regarding trying to find a rim ding or edge ding free large copper coin[s]. el Heron

has been collecting 'coppers' since spring of 1946 and has seen thousands of large copper and brass coins. Most of them

have an edge ding or rim ding.  [Heron is using 'edge' and 'rim' because there has been some discussion about 'location'

on a coin].   Each collector must decide whether a 'rim ding' is important and how much importance to allot to that defect.

Personally, after viewing thousands of large copper and brass coins that have 'rim' dings', these are not usually as

important to Heron as being able to buy a coin that is somewhat scarce [19th Century usually].

Regarding 'toning'... beauty is in the eye of the beholder!   el Heron does not like it.  There are many folks that like it.

So be it!  Buy what you like and do not buy what you do not like.  Simple solution!  Regards,

xx

[n.s.sherlock]

"Please read my message fully I do mean to offend, however very often the message gets lost when using electronic messaging."

Yes, yes, it sometimes does.

[idigsilver]

This was a blog about rim damage not tonning. Please stick to the topic or start another blog.

[*smedley*]

did you really need to resurrect an almost 3 year old thread (not "blog", that's something completely different)?

[ted_200]

They probably should have started a new blog for that.

[*smedley*]

*facepalm*

*headdesk*