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Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

I have a American Waltham Watch Co pocket watch that I think is pretty rare. I have done my due diligence by researching within eBay and can not find any similar. I did look it up on NAWCC and based on the serial # they only made 150 of this model I believe. The case is stamped with 59 g - and there is a logo with possibly a moose?that says us silver registered. The movement says Maritime American Waltham Watch Co. Serial # on the movement is 3772385. The crystal has a couple of cracks. It is key wind, which I do not have, so I am not sure yet if it is in working order. I am planning on taking it to local watch shop that specializes in waltham pocket watch repair to get an estimate to replace crystal and anything else it may need to get it in working order. It seems to be complete and aside from the cracked crystal in very good condition considering the age. Could someone give me an approximate value range on this? Any additional info would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time!
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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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clear photos of front,back and movement will be required for a proper evaluation

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Here you go...1 more coming...





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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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from what I can tell its seems to be a key wound model 1870 size 18 probably 15 jewels in fair condition. is it marked silver? if not its nickle and worth about $150 - $200 in running condition. I cannot find anything on MARITME so that might make it something special but I cannot be sure. others on this board will know better.

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Interesting watch, a model 1883 with 11 jewels only produced for a couple of months according to NAWCC.


 


I see that the only difference between this and a regular Model 1883 is the "Maritime" engraved on the plates and the use of a Military 24 hour dial. So, it being for "Maritime" use was probably more of a marketing idea than a practical one.


 


I can't help with the value, but I do know that rarity and desirability are two different things and would guess that there is a small group of Model 1883 collectors who seek out variations such as this.


 

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Thank you - I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Good point about the Maritime just being a failed marketing strategy. Any ideas on the case markings - US SILVER REGISTERED with logo of a suspected moose - and stamped with 59 G?

Thanks again
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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Dgalixy - yes it is - US SILVER REGISTERED - 59 G stamp
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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Oops Dgalaxie : ) and thank you for your help
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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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"US Silver Registered" does not mean anything. it needs to be hallmarked. with a number or name such as " COIN"  ".800", ".925" "STERLING"  etc


 


US silver registered could be plated. can you photograph the logos or identifiers inside the rear case cover?. Another example is "SILVEROID" which is nickle alloy with no silver at all.


 


the fact that it has no black tarnish leads me to believe it has no silver - but I could be wrong.


 


I show the mofel 1883 movement for open face watch to be stem wind and set. the 1870 was key wound.  So I think the movement is model 1870. Serial number indicates it was made in 1887.

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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This is the only marking on inner case lid...






Stamped again with 59 G on outer with SILVER US REGISTERED and logo...




Thank you for all of your useful insight!

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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I looked and cannot find that mark anywhere. I suspect it might be silverplate since it is not marked with its content. Or pehaps it was a custom made case and 'registered" by a private assayer. In that case it could be coin silver (90%)


 


Might want to take that photo to the antiques board or the coin board - they might know.


 


PS - I thought it might be canadian but no luck on that search either.


 


very unusual item you have  

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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It actually says SILVERUS. Which is intended to make someone think a white metal copper nickel alloy is silver.



Like 'Nevada Silver' and 'Silveroid', designed to mislead.

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Looking back up the posts I see the OP reported the wording as what they hoped it said, or had the impresssion it said, rather than what it actually said.



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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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I found an American Waltham Watch in a 110 years old house. Serial number on the mecanism is 10766830. 15 Jewels. Inside the casing ( A.W.C.CO, Coin,392650). In the back its a flower design. CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE VALUE PLEASE !!!

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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photos please - case, dial and movement - clear

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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Coin - means SILVER usually 90% - so it has a bit of value as scrap - again photos would help a lot

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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1883 model.



I've owned a bunch of American Watch coin silver cases-most are lightweight(on the 2.5-3 oz side).



For a relatively low grade movement in a case like this in decent condition, I'd probably pay $100-125.



By the way, realizing this is an old thread, but the watch in the opening posting is clearly an 1883 model and not an 1870 model as someone in this thread kept stubbornly repeating. 1870 models are all(with one or two known exceptions) marked "Crescent Street". They came in both keywind and stemwind, and the keywind ones are all keywind from the back.

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Re: Rare?? American Waltham Watch Co Maritime pocket watch Model 1883 c.1888

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I also have a 1883 running great Waltham. I have someone that would like to buy it but I am not sure weather or not to take the offer...I can't find anything about the gold content...any help would be wonderful..thanks

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